CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[katydid23]

Do we know for a fact that the baby legally has only Kelsey’s last name? We can’t go by the media using it.

I believe that earlier, upthread a couple of threads ago, someone posted the original LE Presser about the missing mother, and the officer used the last name Berreth for the child. So I assume they would have used the child's legal name. But who knows?

 

[katydid23]

If he did not have legal access I can’t see LE leaving the baby in his care until 12/21. And I am not sure not being listed on birth certificate means no standing, in CO, or that he wasn’t listed. Why wouldn't she list him? Clearly she saw him as the baby’s father. Jmo

He may have had legal access, technically, because the mother willingly allowed he and his mother to care for the child while she worked. But that does not mean for sure that he had legal paternal rights at the time.

 

[MassGuy]

If he did not have legal access I can’t see LE leaving the baby in his care until 12/21. And I am not sure not being listed on birth certificate means no standing, in CO, or that he wasn’t listed. Why wouldn't she list him? Clearly she saw him as the baby’s father. Jmo

Exactly. Kelsey certainly behaved as if he was the father, as she wasn’t letting a stranger spend a great deal of time with her daughter, especially when she was working.

If he had no legal standing, that baby would have been removed from his custody shortly after police became involved.

PF’s family would not have been treated as a legitimate party in the custody proceedings.

 

[Trudie]

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Could be. I still believe someone was in PFs truck at or near SW to alert him or “someone”when KB left the store, her direction, etc.
once she left SW there was no guarantee she would head straight home (or did). She might have went to a gas station, a drive thru, etc. Someone in her house would want to KNOW her eta. IMO
Phone records can easily reveal this to be the case, if it is.


Moo

 

[Stunned]

Yah know I keep wondering.....could there be another female involved in all of this?

 

[Nudgee]

Yes it is a regional thing I think, I have always referred to them as a farrier but some say blacksmith and they usually are from a different area. So many things are different though out the same country!

Yes, when I had/showed horses (English, not Western style of riding) here on the east coast, we referred to them as blacksmiths.

 

[Mom24]

There would be no reason for Kelsey’s body to have traveled in a completely opposite direction, all that matters is that she can’t be found.

What difference does it make where her body is?

In PF’s mind, no body, no murder charges.

I think it’s probable that he killed Kelsey himself, because no one was willing to do it for him.

If no one is willing to kill for you, then it’s likely that no one is willing to dump a body for you.

People are talking here, and I can’t imagine that if someone else knew where her body is, she wouldn’t have been found by now.

PF is probably the only one that knows, and as long as her body remains undiscovered, he can still claim ignorance.

It won’t work though.

Agreed, just adding that the texts wouldn't have been enough to raise reasonable doubt. He knew he needed that phone to ping elsewhere, so he either paid or cajoled someone into sending those texts from ID. He thought without a body, and with texts AND a ping from ID, he could raise reasonable doubt that KB was even dead. I think he planned on being arrested, but he planned that he'd win his freedom in the courts.
But the person with the phone talked, he told differing stories about their relationship and more importantly there was enough evidence in KB's home to show she had died there. I'm guessing LE have even more than that.
It's why I don't think he'll ever talk. It's a gamble, and he has no chance of winning if he talks. He'll gamble it all the way to prison. And even in prison he won't talk because in his mind there will always be a chance, even on appeal, if they don't find a body. He's truly stupid enough to believe that without a body, he can somehow win.

 

[MassGuy]

Yah know I keep wondering.....could there be another female involved in all of this?

That’s why we’re talking about KK.

 

[MsBetsy]

I agree - I believe she believed she was engaged - I believe he wiped his SM account - but I do wonder if she saw something that may have given her pause as to his loyalty to her and their relationship? IMO

She must have. When two people are "newly" in love it can't be much different then couples who have just gotten married and are expecting their first child. It's one of the most exciting times of their lives together, and when the baby comes along there is nothing more bonding than experiencing each milestone; the babies first laugh, first word, first steps, and each new thing together as a couple.

It must have been extremely difficult to have to live apart during that time. Most people find a way to be together. They didn't. They must have had a reason. The economy can't be it. Imo

 

[Trudie]

Yah know I keep wondering.....could there be another female involved in all of this?

I keep thinking another cowboy......

Jmo

 

[oviedo]

She must have. When two people are "newly" in love it can't be much different then couples who have just gotten married and are expecting their first child. It's one of the most exciting times of their lives together, and when the baby comes along there is nothing more bonding than experiencing each milestone; the babies first laugh, first word, first steps, and each new thing together as a couple.

It must have been extremely difficult to have to live apart during that time. Most people find a way to be together. They didn't. They must have had a reason. The economy can't be it. Imo

Yes - I feel there is something more to it than financial as well.

 

[Stunned]

That’s why we’re talking about KK.

No. I

That’s why we’re talking about KK.

No I mean a 3rd love interest for the cowboy who set the other 2 up.

 

[Stunned]

I keep thinking another cowboy......

Jmo

Or that, just a good old fashion horrible set up.

 

[InvSmith]

But what did the phony text to PF that was meant to look like it came from KB say?

That she would be away for a week.

 

[Jethro4WS]

They really need to take the few minutes to fact check. The problem is, once the misinformation gets out, it's hard to rope it back in.

I think at this point, in the last week or so they have been taking their "information" from Facebook Groups.

 

[MassGuy]

No I mean a 3rd love interest for the cowboy who set the other 2 up.

Gotcha. It’s possible, and I’m sure that there are other women, but I don’t believe they are involved.

I think this involves PF, KK to an extent, and possibly another man or men.

 

[Nudgee]

It was written on the official family run missing facebook page. See post from thread 5 by Scdiv:

The admin and CB comments from Missing Mother - Kelsey Berreth facebook page - On December 6 post at 10:25 a.m. - were:

"I spoke with her a couple of times that morning. Going out for dinner was in the plan. We know she had picked up a few things at Safeway.

and

"She was going out to dinner with her fiance and daughter. She didn't say where."

In CB's media interview, I believe she simply said, "Going out to dinner was a possibility."

CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #5

Appears everything that day was a “possibility”. Sadly it appears those”possibilities” were nothing but a “set up” on PF’s part. So, so sad!

 

[MassGuy]

That she would be away for a week.

It may or may not have been that specific, but I think that was likely the gist.

“Honey, I’m really stressed out, and need to get away to clear my head...”

 

[karinbean_]

I think this involves PF, KK to an extent, and possibly another man or men.

I think those two guys who helped PF at the dump have a lot to speak for, if not already.

 

[InvSmith]

As far as we know, neither one had established custody, so there was no court order. Both would have equal rights to the child and visitation arrangements would be worked out between them. He could not force her to give him the child, but at the same time she could not prevent him from taking the child if he wanted to. Imo

This is not true. An attorney can weigh in here for CO but if he is not declared on the birth certificate and if their is not a formal custody agreement she is informally being a nice mother. She has all the legal rights. He has rights but has to go to court for them. Right, now I am seeing the child is a "B".