CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[cluciano63]

I live in Taos, not too far from Pueblo. I like it there too. Taos, like WP, is very expensive. We have been considering moving there.

Yes...Taos lots more than Abq. But is Pueblo cheap? Will have to check...

 

[Lhughessk]

I think after he killed KB he realized that her home is so "exposed" it made it impossible for PF to take her car without being seen doing it. JMO

He could’ve come to get the car at three in the morning. The chances of anybody seeing or hearing anything would’ve been pretty low. Certainly a good risk to take when you compare it to what he ended up doing, which was to leave two cars in the driveway while telling a story that he was the last to see her and that she was going to Washington to see her grandmother.

I said in another post that I wondered if they disposed of her purse without thinking about the keys still being in it. But it just occurred to me that PF might have had a logistical problem with getting back over there without having to involve someone else. How is he going to drive over there in his truck, take her car, dispose of it somehow, And make it back to his truck? I wonder if also he might’ve been concerned about her vehicle possibly having GPS?

 

[Kapua]

He could’ve come to get the car at three in the morning. The chances of anybody seeing or hearing anything would’ve been pretty low. Certainly a good risk to take when you compare it to what he ended up doing, which was to leave two cars in the driveway while telling a story that he was the last to see her and that she was going to Washington to see her grandmother.

I said in another post that I wondered if they disposed of her purse without thinking about the keys still being in it. But it just occurred to me that PF might have had a logistical problem with getting back over there without having to involve someone else. How is he going to drive over there in his truck, take her car, dispose of it somehow, And make it back to his truck? I wonder if also he might’ve been concerned about her vehicle possibly having GPS? But and make it back to his truck? I wonder if also he might’ve been concerned about her vehicle possibly having GPS?

He could have disabled the GPS in her car, but then that would raise the question as to why she would disable the GPS. Still, it would have made a more believable scenario. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Maybe he thought no body being found = no murder charges.

Or no body = no conviction!

Although I'm aware of Colorado murder charges filed for Kelsie Schelling (no body), it seems it would be rare to have enough evidence to charge defendant without the body. Perhaps latest and greatest forensic tools are improving the odds. MOO

 

[Charlot123]

This is what infuriates me about PF - the gaslighting and blatant narcissism. There is absolutely no way, had their relationship actually worked out, that he’d be able to financially support a family; firstly while living with his mother in his 30s and secondly, with whatever income he makes.
KB was trapped as a working mother. God forbid she excel in her career and also raise a child. Instead, he’s making her out to be some absentee parent that was never around for her baby. I’m a working mom of two young boys and agonize everyday, wishing I could spend more time with them. However, like KB I’m a millennial mother and we have to support our families - my husband’s income isn’t enough to carry us. All IMO.

I totally agree with you, and understand the situation. These days, one income is hard to raise a family on. Plus, working women usually have better self-esteem, or, to formulate it better, a stayhome mom has to have a very supportive husband who understands that raising kids is a full-time job. It is not always the case.

If a woman wants to grow in her life and have a career, this does not mean that she is sacrificing her family for the career. This usually means that she can not raise the family on her husband's income alone.

 

[Jupiter05]

KB also grew up in small farming areas so maybe she was not comfortable in a larger city like Pueblo or Colorado Springs. I can see that. I think they are heavily investigating and questioning KK and that this is leading to other people who had more of a direct involvement...... maybe he just asked a few friends to do it or help and he ended up doing the entire dirty deed himself. There is something very off about PF and his family. VERY off. I suspect that even though he brought the subject matter up with others, that no one realy thought he would go through with it. IMO

 

[oviedo]

I totally agree with you, and understand the situation. These days, one income is hard to raise a family on. Plus, working women usually have better self-esteem, or, to formulate it better, a stayhome mom has to have a very supportive husband who understands that raising kids is a full-time job. It is not always the case.

If a woman wants to grow in her life and have a career, this does not mean that she is sacrificing her family for the career. This usually means that she can not raise the family on her husband's income alone.

Or she has a very successful career and wants to work -sometimes this is the choice for a working mother and it’s not related to finances IMO

 

[Ccging]

I’m hopeful the death penalty MAY scare him into talking, but, sadly, I doubt it. IMO his freedom is gone at this point and I think getting his freedom back would be the only thing that would get him to talk. I don’t think he cares about anyone but himself.

I believe he “tried” to get help to kill her (the solicitation) but was turned down. He may have had help after but I think ultimately he did it and he is the one that disposed of her body. He has control issues and made sure that only he had that “ultimate knowledge”. MOO

Was reply to @sun16

 

[Charlot123]

Or she has a very successful career and wants to work -sometimes this is the choice for a working mother and it’s not related to finances IMO

It might be true. It is good that women do have better career choices these days. However, too often lots of other factors play into it. i.e., the health insurance (who can get it through the job - sometimes the wife gets one, and the husband can have a better-paying contractor's job without the benefits), or one of the parents might work in the college system so that the kid could pay less for the education, etc.

 

[Jupiter05]

Do you think PF would tell LE where the body is to avoid the death penalty and the type of existence behind bars that it brings? Or do you think from what we know so far that he just doesn’t care and will say nothing, no matter what? Yes, I know the death penalty would likely never be used in CO.

If PF hired someone to kill and/or dispose of KB, how could he be so sure that person wouldn’t eventually talk? Would PF want to know where she was put? Or might he not know that, if someone else disposed of her?

I really think he will not talk and does not care. The death penalty could be an issue, but currently in Colorado it is not a threat. But it could be down the road if he gets that sentence. He has shown himself to be uncaring and stubborn. He does not care about KB's family and what they are going through. He is an odd duck. Maybe he will surprise us all but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Charlot123]

Or she has a very successful career and wants to work -sometimes this is the choice for a working mother and it’s not related to finances IMO

It might be true. It is good that women do have better career choices these days. However, too often lots of other factors play into it. i.e., the health insurance (who can get it through the job - sometimes the wife gets one, and the husband can have a better-paying contractor's job without the benefits), or one of the parents might work in the college system so that the kid could pay less for the education, etc.

 

[Seattle1]

Yep - most people may not know this because they naturally name their spouse or adult children (depending on the age). I'm sure each insurance company/benefits plan is different - this is just how mine is. They said she had no "special interest" in me because we were not married or blood related.

Thanks for sharing. I know WA State prevents you from naming somebody other than your spouse as beneficiary of your IRA/retirement accounts without the permission of your spouse, I wasn't aware of life insurance policy being so restrictive.

 

[Jupiter05]

I’m hopeful the death penalty MAY scare him into talking, but, sadly, I doubt it. IMO his freedom is gone at this point and I think getting his freedom back would be the only thing that would get him to talk. I don’t think he cares about anyone but himself.

I believe he “tried” to get help to kill her (the solicitation) but was turned down. He may have had help after but I think ultimately he did it and he is the one that disposed of her body. He has control issues and made sure that only he had that “ultimate knowledge”. MOO

Was reply to @sun16

I think he still thinks he is going to be set free. Although there was a little worried crack in his stone face in court the other day.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Or no body = no conviction!

Although I'm aware of Colorado murder charges filed for Kelsie Schelling (no body), it seems it would be rare to have enough evidence to charge defendant without the body. Perhaps latest and greatest forensic tools are improving the odds. MOO

Usually with a no body case they have significant evidence of the person being murdered. But not always. In Wisconsin they have charged Jason Sypher with the murder of Krista Sypher and not only do they not have a body, but they also have no physical evidence of death - not even a drop of blood. And their key piece of evidence is a 12 second stop at a dumpster where he could have disposed of her body is compounded by the search, over the course of several days, of the landfill where the dumpster was emptied yielded no body. In that case they are trying the case on the totality of circumstantial evidence.

 

[Jupiter05]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around PF's actions and inaction after KB was "missing". His rudeness and lack of concern. All we have seen from his family is his sister and mother wanting to fight for custody. You would think there was some kind of relationship between them and KB? But maybe not? It feels to me like they froze KB out.

 

[SoVeryMe]

So here’s a thought.....no current photos of KK at all...you know if she went to the grocery store reporters would be all over that. She must be in custody, protective or not. I know that’s been speculated but not verified so I’m just thinking it’s odd there has been no sightings.

I’m not trying to sleuth KK, just noting her physical absence from MSM.

 

[Snow Flower]

So here’s a thought.....no current photos of KK at all...you know if she went to the grocery store reporters would be all over that. She must be in custody, protective or not. I know that’s been speculated but not verified so I’m just thinking it’s odd there has been no sightings.

I’m not trying to sleuth KK, just noting her physical absence from MSM.

I asked yesterday if she has a lawyer and was told yes. It could be her lawyer has told her to not say a word. But, It is odd that there are no pictures, etc.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I have always thought this was about possession of the baby by everyone including those who have motioned to intervene - it’s a move that reinforces this for me. Imo it stems back to PF keeping the baby from CB

I don't attribute malice nor spite to those intervening by default simply because PF has been charged. They may have a genuine interest in the welfare of the child and almost certainly have been more a part of the life of that child than any other party to the case. I can't quite wrap my head around why there is such projection of malice and spite as a motive when there is zero evidence backing it.

 

[InvSmith]

I totally agree with you, and understand the situation. These days, one income is hard to raise a family on. Plus, working women usually have better self-esteem, or, to formulate it better, a stayhome mom has to have a very supportive husband who understands that raising kids is a full-time job. It is not always the case.

If a woman wants to grow in her life and have a career, this does not mean that she is sacrificing her family for the career. This usually means that she can not raise the family on her husband's income alone.

I imagine KB is like many young women starting out. You have to support yourself and start your own life well before thinking about a family and marriage. I started working in high school and worked through college and have not stop since. Some start families early, work, and some go to more school/military but women become self-sufficient these days and early. (Amen). My point is some may not understand a woman that has been through that stage. I have been lucky to be married ninety-nine years btw.

 

[Jupiter05]

So here’s a thought.....no current photos of KK at all...you know if she went to the grocery store reporters would be all over that. She must be in custody, protective or not. I know that’s been speculated but not verified so I’m just thinking it’s odd there has been no sightings.

I’m not trying to sleuth KK, just noting her physical absence from MSM.

She is most likely hunkered down in her home. Or maybe she is not even at her home and hiding out someplace else.