CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[MsBetsy]

Link?

ETA: Court document posted: https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/People v Frazee 18JV26 1_3_2019 ROA.pdf

Resident legal experts? Anything indicating the sister is also intervening for custody here?

I don't think she is asking for custody. Is it possible that she is "intervening" on behalf of her mother? I have only heard that the custody dispute is between the two grandparents. I have not seen an attorney here say that the sister is asking for custody. IMO

 

[v0x]

Patrick Frazee, Accused Of Murdering Fiancée, Appears In Court For Child Custody Hearing

This link mentions the sister in attendance at the last hearing

Yes. She was in attendance. I see nothing saying she also filed for custody

 

[Crooked Chicken]

Aurora police: missing woman found dead in southern Colorado

Before I read another article stating that it was not Kelsey, I was browsing Google maps to see where the truckstop was. Not sure if this is it, and it doesn't matter now, but the red and black vehicles struck me in a coincidentally odd way

 

[missy1974]

It says the aunt was present... maybe I’m missing something.

it does says motions... plural...

Court reserves right to hearing re: paternal kin motions to intervene & to request contested custody hearing;

 

[Gardener1850]

We don't even know that CB attempted to see the child. That has been assumed.

JMO, I don't think it's too much to assume based on the police chief's words:

"The police chief also revealed Frazee has not yet allowed Kelsey's mother - the grandmother of their one year old baby Kaylee - to see the child since her disappearance."
Cops hunting for Colorado mum who vanished on Thanksgiving Day | Daily Mail Online

And if you don't trust the Daily Mail to get it right (since the above is not a direct quote) you can watch the press conference at 7:05 where the question is asked by the DM reporter if CB had been able to see the baby and the chief replied "Good Question, no the grandmother has not seen her baby, her granddaughter at this time,"

Sure, we can be pedantic if we want and say the chief didn't technically say CB tried to see the baby and was refused but I think his pauses and body language as he answers reveal that she had not been allowed to see the baby by PF. He also said he had no reason to take the baby away from PF at that time but they were looking into it.

MOO.

 

[skycountry]

She's beautiful. My heart goes to her family.
So sad.

She was a princess, and I don't mean that in a bad, way. KK had nothing on her, imo.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I’m still reserving judgment since there’s so much about PF’s family we don’t know. Please correct me if I’m wrong: the state of PF’s mother’s health hasn’t been confirmed. Do we know what PF told his family about his relationship with KB? I know he was identified as ‘fiance’ very early on, but then we hear they’ve been broken up for quite some time. It was suggested that a family member (one or more) believed KB flaked out in the past and took off (which I don’t believe).

IMO it’s quite possible that she may not have been around PF’s family recently. I believe PF led his family to believe that his romantic relationship ended and they were now co-parenting. It’s possible that when KB went missing, PF suggested she ran off with heaven knows who.

When KB sounded the alarm of Kelsey’s disappearance, his family might have felt awkward coming forward speaking out in support of (presumably) their son’s ex-girlfriend who took off on her own again. <<< if that’s what PF led them to believe. By the time it became clear she was missing/endangered, the damage (their lack of public empathy) has been done.

As far as intervening in custody, perhaps his family has formed a bond with Baby K. Perhaps if they believe KB was flaky, they have concerns about her family raising Baby K. Not saying this is the case, but a possibility.

I do think the denial is strong in his family. However, I’m just not quite ready to make the leap that all monsters have awful parents. That’s certainly a possibility, but I need a little more evidence. Just my opinion.

Flaky? WOW. Because murdering the mother of his child is justified because they think she's flaky? Which makes it ok for them to think her family is flaky as well, but not the other way around?
Hmmmmmmmm.

 

[PommyMommy]

kdvr had a news piece 6 or so hours ago showing a reporter knocking on her door. There was also an interview with the Twin Falls sheriff who said he could not think of the name of the woman at the center of the controversy. I assume the piece is somewhere on the kdvr web site. I viewed it from the Kelsey Berreth Disappearance and case discussion FB site.

Search for clues in case of missing mother continues

Wow. You think his family knows he killed KB and are protecting him? IMO, their atty did not think they should attend the vigil.

How do we know what the family attorney advised? PF's attorney said he didn't attend because he didn't receive enough notice, IIRC.
MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

She was a princess, and I don't mean that in a bad, way. KK had nothing on her, imo.

I was referring to the woman who's body was just found. Per the link.

 

[v0x]

I don't think she is asking for custody. Is it possible that she is "intervening" on behalf of her mother? I have only heard that the custody dispute is between the two grandparents. I have not seen an attorney here say that the sister is asking for custody. IMO

Ok. Maybe you should update your post that said “Yes. Sister also fighting for custody.” then ;-)

ETA: to clarify what you meant. It wasn’t clear, to me.

 

[Crooked Chicken]

it does says motions... plural...

Court reserves right to hearing re: paternal kin motions to intervene & to request contested custody hearing;

I think that is used as the act of motioning and not in the plural sense. Don't know the correct lingo for that.

 

[Trudie]

Search for clues in case of missing mother continues

How do we know what the family attorney advised? PF's attorney said he didn't attend because he didn't receive enough notice, IIRC.
MOO

I don’t know, I said IMO the atty advised to not attend a vigil.

 

[MassGuy]

JMO, I don't think it's too much to assume since the police chief practically said it:

"The police chief also revealed Frazee has not yet allowed Kelsey's mother - the grandmother of their one year old baby Kaylee - to see the child since her disappearance."
Cops hunting for Colorado mum who vanished on Thanksgiving Day | Daily Mail Online

And if you don't trust the Daily Mail to get it right (since the above is not a direct quote) you can watch the press conference at 7:05 where the question is asked by the DM reporter if CB had been able to see the baby and the chief replied "Good Question, no the grandmother has not seen her baby, her granddaughter at this time,"

Sure, we can be pedantic if we want and say the chief didn't technically say CB tried to see the baby and was refused but I think his pauses and body language as he answers reveal that she had not been allowed to see the baby by PF. He also says he had no reason to take the baby away from PF at that time but they were looking into it.

MOO.

Yeah. I think the implication was clear, Kelsey’s mom wanted to see her grandchild, and was prevented from doing so.

I also think that’s why she was unwilling to attack PF in her public statements.

Her daughter was missing, and it’s not a leap to believe that she would have found comfort in her grandchild.

They were being kept apart.

 

[Jethro4WS]

JMO, I don't think it's too much to assume based on the police chief's words:

"The police chief also revealed Frazee has not yet allowed Kelsey's mother - the grandmother of their one year old baby Kaylee - to see the child since her disappearance."
Cops hunting for Colorado mum who vanished on Thanksgiving Day | Daily Mail Online

And if you don't trust the Daily Mail to get it right (since the above is not a direct quote) you can watch the press conference at 7:05 where the question is asked by the DM reporter if CB had been able to see the baby and the chief replied "Good Question, no the grandmother has not seen her baby, her granddaughter at this time,"

Sure, we can be pedantic if we want and say the chief didn't technically say CB tried to see the baby and was refused but I think his pauses and body language as he answers reveal that she had not been allowed to see the baby by PF. He also says he had no reason to take the baby away from PF at that time but they were looking into it.

MOO.

But yet, that is the exact assumption - that she did try to see the baby and was refused. Honestly, we don't know that she would want to be in PF's presence if she thought he had killed KB. We don't know if law enforcement had advised her not to attempt to go to where PF lived or even to contact him. We simply don't know if there was any attempt made to see the child by KB's mother.

 

[Stunned]

Flaky? WOW. Because murdering the mother of his child is justified because they think she's flaky? Which makes it ok for them to think her family is flaky as well, but not the other way around?
Hmmmmmmmm.

Well, I really didn’t take the post that way. You deal with what your child, no matter how old, tells you. He might have still been spending the nights with her but told his Mom he was staying over because she was out galavanting (sp?) around. You believe what you are presented with. His family could have totally been in the dark about her and their relationship

 

[Jethro4WS]

Search for clues in case of missing mother continues

How do we know what the family attorney advised? PF's attorney said he didn't attend because he didn't receive enough notice, IIRC.
MOO

In terms of the vigil I don't believe PF's attorney issued a statement. The not enough notice statement had to do with the first press conference as far as I know.

 

[Jupiter05]

It says the aunt was present... maybe I’m missing something.

The sister is intervening. This was at the last custody hearing. I dont have time to pull up links but you may research yourself. Or go to the media links.

 

[MsBetsy]

Ok. Maybe you should update your post that said “Yes. Sister also fighting for custody.” then ;-)

I don't believe I said any such thing. I thought I said the opposite. Didn't you just reply to my post?

 

[Stunned]

I was referring to the woman who's body was just found. Per the link.

What?

 

[SoVeryMe]

Flaky? WOW. Because murdering the mother of his child is justified because they think she's flaky? Which makes it ok for them to think her family is flaky as well, but not the other way around?
Hmmmmmmmm.

Respectfully, my interpretation of this post was that PF’s family may not have attended the vigil because they have been led to believe KB had a history of going AWOL and abandoning her daughter. They may have thought this was another “stunt” of hers because of PF’s narrative. PF’s family may still believe (if they are delusional) he is innocent and KB took off on her own and set him up somehow. IMO