CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[skycountry]

I was referring to the woman who's body was just found. Per the link.

In terms of the vigil I don't believe PF's attorney issued a statement. The not enough notice statement had to do with the first press conference as far as I know.

PF would have had plenty of time to attend the vigil, imo, almost an entire day.

 

[Blueberry2720]

Yep..... Off topic nonsense...MOO

Re: Pueblo. My sentiments exactly. We've been warned almost every day about this by Mods and Tricia. Enough is enough.

 

[MsBetsy]

Ok. Maybe you should update your post that said “Yes. Sister also fighting for custody.” then ;-)

ETA: to clarify what you meant. It wasn’t clear, to me.

If you reread the post you replied to I said, "I don't think she is asking for custody. I am pretty sure I did not say, "Yes. Sister also fighting for custody," as I have indicated I was not sure: ( I don't think...)

 

[v0x]

The sister is intervening. This was at the last custody hearing. I dont have time to pull up links but you may research yourself. Or go to the media links.

Again, she was reported as present in the filing, but I don’t see that she was also intervening. It was also misreported at some point that his father was intervening. That was later corrected by the media.

 

[Trudie]

Wow. You think his family knows he killed KB and are protecting him? IMO, their atty did not think they should attend the vigil.

Quoting myself.

I personally believe the F family attorney would advise them to not make an appearance at a vigil, JMO
They would be peppered with questions & perhaps in a dangerous situation.
I remember the F attorney mentioning PF didn’t have adequate time to appear at a presser, iirc.

@riolove77 or @PrairieWind might be able to answer the question if they would wish their client to attend a vigil. IANAL. But I would advise to not go. Moo as I’m entitled to.
Sorry for the confusion.

 

[missy1974]

In regards to PF's sister filing a motion to intervene:

JAN 3, 2019
Patrick Frazee's sister has filed a motion to intervene in the custody case.
(Approx 2:50 mark)

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=277037909642239

 

[v0x]

If you reread the post you replied to I said, "I don't think she is asking for custody. I am pretty sure I did not say, "Yes. Sister also fighting for custody," as I have indicated I was not sure: ( I don't think...)

My mistake. That was coming from @Jupiter05 i think.

 

[Mercedes]

A pretty good article discussing life on death row.

Life on death row a matter of rules, routines, research

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Well, I really didn’t take the post that way. You deal with what your child, no matter how old, tells you. He might have still been spending the nights with her but told his Mom he was staying over because she was out galavanting (sp?) around. You believe what you are presented with. His family could have totally been in the dark about her and their relationship

Still cutting them slack for the exact thing, you won't cut slack others for doing?

 

[Trudie]

A pretty good article discussing life on death row.

Life on death row a matter of rules, routines, research

I prefer my own crib.

@Mercedes if you we’re PF’s attorney prior to his arrest would you prefer he attend or skip a vigil for KB?
Tysm

 

[gngr~snap]

We certainly could be wrong about how he wanted to make this look. I think there are still crucial pieces of the puzzle that we just don’t know yet. But another possibility with the car situation is that maybe her mother called in that welfare check sooner than he expected. But I don’t know, that was Sunday that they did the welfare. So you would think that he wouldn’t of waited that long.

Another possibility is that her keys were in her purse and they disposed of the purse without thinking about the fact that the keys were in it. Maybe they burned the purse and the key was too destroyed to use. Or maybe they threw the purse off of a bridge and it wasn’t possible to retrieve.

At any rate, it confirms that PF didn't have his own set of keys to her vehicle, IF he ever planned to dispose of it as well.
IMO, that says a LOT about their relationship.
I may be way off, but couples married or not, that I know, have keys to each others cars.
Maybe that isn't a reality for the majority of people.
I honestly don't know.
Moo

 

[MsBetsy]

My mistake. That was coming from @Jupiter05 i think.

Didn't sound like my post! I thought maybe I was going a little crazy for a minute.

 

[Stunned]

Still cutting them slack for the exact thing, you won't cut slack others for doing?

No, just saying this case is odd all around. Were they engaged or not? Still in a relationship or not? Who watched the baby, when and how often. There are killers and there are their families. Can you separate them? Should they be separate? That’s all IMO.

 

[The Night Watchman]

Could we get some breaking news to save us from ourselves tonight?

 

[Trudie]

Still cutting them slack for the exact thing, you won't cut slack others for doing?

Every death row prison I’ve reasearched claims DR to Be the unit most guards prefer to work. Intersting they behave so much better than LWOP or GP. I guess the hope they will live, rather than face execution, startles them to the point they change their behavior. MOO

 

[Stunned]

Could we get some breaking news to save us from ourselves tonight?

Yes please!

 

[Elle*Bee]

Flaky? WOW. Because murdering the mother of his child is justified because they think she's flaky? Which makes it ok for them to think her family is flaky as well, but not the other way around?
Hmmmmmmmm.

You’re stretching now. I never once suggested that KB deserved her fate. Far from it. She, Baby K and KB’s family are victims. I personally believe PF is guilty. I’m curious to learn who else is responsible. At this point, I haven’t seen enough confirmed details about PFs relatives to assume who, if any, are culpable. I’m currently leaning towards PF having lied to his family (since he seemed to be able to conceal the worst of himself from KB - at least for a time). Others seem to think his family knew what was going down from the get go. I can see that possibility, too.

Last I heard, his family members have not been named . (Or did I miss something?). If/when that changes, I’ll be able to more fully form an opinion based on the evidence.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Respectfully, my interpretation of this post was that PF’s family may not have attended the vigil because they have been led to believe KB had a history of going AWOL and abandoning her daughter. They may have thought this was another “stunt” of hers because of PF’s narrative. PF’s family may still believe (if they are delusional) he is innocent and KB took off on her own and set him up somehow. IMO

Thank you. I just don't understand with everything that has been revealed that narrative being acceptable.

 

[susiQ]

Could we get some breaking news to save us from ourselves tonight?

My feeling exactly!

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

You’re stretching now. I never once suggested that KB deserved her fate. Far from it. She, Baby K and KB’s family are victims. I personally believe PF is guilty. I’m curious to learn who else is responsible. At this point, I haven’t seen enough confirmed details about PFs relatives to assume who, if any, are culpable. I’m currently leaning towards PF having lied to his family (since he seemed to be able to conceal the worst of himself from KB - at least for a time). Others seem to think his family knew what was going down from the get go. I can see that possibility, too.

Last I heard, his family members have not been named . (Or did I miss something?). If/when that changes, I’ll be able to more fully form an opinion based on the evidence.

My apologies, I miss understood what you were trying to say.