CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[skycountry]

Hi! I’m new too. Everyone here is so intelligent, it’s hard to stay away when so little facts are shared about this case.

I appreciate your angle, however if PF was planning her murder and IN/KK was possibly aware or assisted after the fact, I doubt she’d have any qualms or jealousy about the state of his relationship with KB. I think CB portrayed a healthy relationship to the media so PF wouldn’t feel like a target was on his back right away and possibly cooperate.

There was a lot at stake, he had her grand baby, I am sure LE told her to play it safe. moo

 

[Trudie]

I believe that was the press conference the attorney was referencing, not the vigil.

I agree. I can’t find info stating PF was unaware of the vigil. I searched in effort to clarify my post.

 

[InvSmith]

They're 9 hours ahead of us.

True. I been there several times for work and I should not complain. I think it is due to LE doing their job and that doesn't involve the press when you don't need their help or the public's when someone has already been charged. I think it speaks volumes in what we are dealing with overall.

 

[SoVeryMe]

Been lurking but just a thought. What if CB's media narrative of an engaged loving couple was in order to fish out testimony from an Idaho gf, i.e. giving the gf the suggestion that PF was playing both her and KB. Once Idaho gf hears a different version of the relationship with KB, she gets upset and decides to come forward with information on PF. MOO.

Meant to reply to this quote earlier.....

I think this is an awesome perspective and makes a lot of sense. Great thoughts!

 

[Crooked Chicken]

Is there a link saying she was on “paid leave”?

Family friend names Twin Falls County woman investigated in connection to missing Colorado woman

It just says "administrative leave" -- that is usually a paid administrative leave.

 

[skycountry]

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Welcome to WS skycountry! You certainly live in beautiful “sky” country. Glad to have your perspective.

I would say that success in life is not a direct result of being controlling. He can be controlling even with his living at home situation, and in particularly over women. He controls his animals, so maybe it projects. I don’t know enough about PF to know though.

Thank you, good to be here. True, could be all he was able to control was women and animals. Good point.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Been lurking but just a thought. What if CB's media narrative of an engaged loving couple was in order to fish out testimony from an Idaho gf, i.e. giving the gf the suggestion that PF was playing both her and KB. Once Idaho gf hears a different version of the relationship with KB, she gets upset and decides to come forward with information on PF. MOO.

Certainly a possibility. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long to learn the truth of the situation.

 

[Trudie]

Always remember, the intelligence here is “collective intelligence.”

No one person has all the answers. We work together!

@Mercedes if you were representing PF prior to his arrest, would you prefer he attend or not attend a vigil for KB?
Tysm!!

 

[TexLil]

General question: When a person is arrested for a crime and hires/is appointed an attorney does the accused actually tell the attorney everything including whether or not they actually committed the crime? Or does that never get asked and the attorney assumes innocence and always tries to prevent a guilty verdict? I have never understood that aspect of our system Thank you in advance. MOO

 

[v0x]

Family friend names Twin Falls County woman investigated in connection to missing Colorado woman

It just says "administrative leave" -- that is usually a paid administrative leave.

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn’t aware of the terminology. Administrative leave - Wikipedia

 

[MsBetsy]

I do recall the discussion about it that day, but it was also the day that IN or KK was being talked about, so a lot of that discussion got lost in all of that IMO I recall that there were posts about maybe the sister saying she could help the mother (because of the talk about the mother's health), I'm not sure I believe that, I think it might be their back-up plan though. I do think she filed a motion to intervene, I think because the hearings have been closed, we don't know the specifics of what she is asking for other than what is in the decision:

Court reserves right to hearing re: paternal kin motions to intervene & to request contested custody hearing; TCDHS & GAL have discretion to set up kin visitation;

The above IMO means that babies paternal kin, grandmother and sister, have filed motions to intervene and are contesting the custody (which is currently with the maternal grandparents). Wording is everything .... KB's parent's are referred to as maternal grandparents... then when talking about PF's family, it's said as paternal kin (not grandparent, not aunt)

ETA: link to decision
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/People v Frazee 18JV26 1_3_2019 ROA.pdf

That's exactly what I thought. Then I got confused by all the posts stating the sister was asking for custody. I'm glad you posted that, I remember reading it and didn't know how to find it again. I hope that clears it up. It does for me, anyway. Imo

 

[Trudie]

General question: When a person is arrested for a crime and hires/is appointed an attorney does the accused actually tell the attorney everything including whether or not they actually committed the crime? Or does that never get asked and the attorney assumes innocence and always tries to prevent a guilty verdict? I have never understood that aspect of our system Thank you in advance. MOO

We discussed this a few times. Let me see if I can find the page number.

Should I admit guilt to my criminal defense attorney?

 

[moonlessnight]

being a controlling person does not mean one is also in control of one's own life. In fact, the less control one has over their own life the more they may try to control others and the more one controls other the less control they probably have in their own lives. manipulating a situation to appear as a victim, meanwhile almost killing a horse, is a pretty good example of using anger to control a situation.

Makes sense, I don't see PF as a controlling person, he did want others to see him as perfect, and probably groomed that perception to the max. I see him as the eternal victim, nothing is ever his fault, always someone else. Yes, he may even have portrayed KB negatively to his rodeo/farrier compadres, and his family, so he could shine and be the victim. The horse not winning the roping, was not his fault, so he almost kills it, etc. This is extreme behavior, and dangerous. IMO he had no control over his life, living at home with his mom, at his age, no place of his own, how was he in control? moo

 

[Noharg]

Is there a link saying she was on “paid leave”?

This one says “leave of absence”.
Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

 

[susiQ]

Been lurking but just a thought. What if CB's media narrative of an engaged loving couple was in order to fish out testimony from an Idaho gf, i.e. giving the gf the suggestion that PF was playing both her and KB. Once Idaho gf hears a different version of the relationship with KB, she gets upset and decides to come forward with information on PF. MOO.

I just love this! Not just KK's reaction, can you imagine PF listening to that PC knowing that KK is listening to it too? Priceless. All his lies about his non-relationship with KB up in smoke

 

[MsBetsy]

Been lurking but just a thought. What if CB's media narrative of an engaged loving couple was in order to fish out testimony from an Idaho gf, i.e. giving the gf the suggestion that PF was playing both her and KB. Once Idaho gf hears a different version of the relationship with KB, she gets upset and decides to come forward with information on PF. MOO.

Wow, I don't think anyone has thought of that! You might be right. Great second post!!

 

[greenpeace]

Wow, I don't think anyone has thought of that! You might be right. Great second post!!

Thanks! I was also thinking... don't nurses have access to certain untraceable drugs. What if PF 'jokingly but not joking at all' asked said nurse for a certain drug so he can be rid of KB.. on three or so occasions (solicitation). IMO that would qualify as solicitation to commit murder. MOO. Ok, back to lurking I go.

 

[Gardener1850]

I simply said we don't know one way or the other <RSBM>

Also, do we know for a fact when her mother actually went to Colorado? Unless she had access to a private plane, you aren't getting from Sandpoint to Woodland Park on the same day KB was reported missing. I know her brother was there on December 3rd but I don't know when her mother actually arrived.

Ok, I'll agree. We don't know one way or the other. Either way requires some assumptions on our part. I'm not going to address the part I respectfully snipped as I don't find that type of conversation productive.

I'm sure Pommy or someone can find the exact date CB arrived. I recall KB's brother picked his mom up at the airport. But no matter what day she actually arrived, my point remains the same-- she likely did not know KB was murdered right away. Even if she suspected that early on, I believe it is reasonable to assume some level of communication was attempted with PF in the beginning to find out information about KB. And I believe it is reasonable to assume CB asked to see her granddaughter while her daughter was deemed missing. But of course I am assuming that. My assumptions are based on the police chiefs statements and CB statements which appear to me to indicate she would want to see her grandchild. There's also the fact CB filed for custody of Baby K after the baby was taken away from PF upon his arrest. But I'll leave it at that. As gitana likes to say, reasonable minds may differ.

 

[Trudie]

I simply said we don't know one way or the other, but apparently it is impossible to say that on this forum. I am not sure when this forum turned from being able to discuss issues and/or challenge assumptions into mob rules and nothing contrary can be brought up but it doesn't bode well for the site.

Also, do we know for a fact when her mother actually went to Colorado? Unless she had access to a private plane, you aren't getting from Sandpoint to Woodland Park on the same day KB was reported missing. I know her brother was there on December 3rd but I don't know when her mother actually arrived.

We are all equally allowed to discuss this case. Basically, we all have the same info, what’s been released. That’s it.
All we can do is speculate, theorize & otherwise guess what might have happened.

I have found 3 dif’ eta for CB, so, I’m not linking the articles. If I can narrow the time frame down, I’ll provide links.

 

[Chapmantj]

being a controlling person does not mean one is also in control of one's own life. In fact, the less control one has over their own life the more they may try to control others and the more one controls other the less control they probably have in their own lives. manipulating a situation to appear as a victim, meanwhile almost killing a horse, is a pretty good example of using anger to control a situation.

ITA - trying to control others takes everything including being in control of your own life.