CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[katydid23]

You’re right in that it’s important that people speak up when something nefarious comes to their attention.

But let’s game this specific scenario out:

The attorneys contact their local police department, and inform them that they have an employee whose friend said she was approached to commit a murder.

This local police department sends an officer to talk to the friend.

After the conversation, this officer believes that this is a genuine plot (maybe).

This department then contacts the police department in the town that KK lives.

A police officer contacts KK.

At this point, KK can do one of two things:

Admit that she was solicited.

Play it off as a joke or something.

Considering that she ultimately became involved in some capacity, I’m confident that she would have denied it.

At this stage, one of two things can happen.

It ends here.

This department then contacts the police department in the Colorado town where PF lives.

This department then approaches PF.

Because I am confident in the fact that KK would have played this off already and PF would have done the same, it very well could have ended here too.

My point is this:

It is by no means a sure thing that this couple could have stopped this.

KK could have though, at plenty of points along the way.

My question is, even if KK played it off, would [should] the police have warned KB about the threats?

 

[MassGuy]

Holy balls! I really didn’t think she knowingly helped. Not that I’m surprised.

Well she was solicited three times, and ultimately helped PF mislead any potential investigation, on account of those texts and ping.

If someone asks you to kill someone, and then you take possession of this victim’s cell phone, you no longer have deniability.

You have context for what you are helping with.

Had she not been solicited, then I still wouldn’t believe that she didn’t know what she was doing.

It’s implausible, if not impossible, to make that claim now.

 

[PommyMommy]

This case may not be related but with all the new players coming to our attention now, it reminded me of this recent arrest in Idaho on December 20 2018. Its not all that far to Twin Falls from Mountain Home. 86 miles from google map info.

Mountain Home man charged with solicitation for murder

There is a thread for that case here: ID - Ricky Eugene Weaver charged w/Solicitation for Murder, Elmore County, Dec 2018

Although LE has said the case is not related, I've been keeping an eye on this thread.

 

[Esma]

Well she was solicited three times, and ultimately helped PF mislead any potential investigation, on account of those texts and ping.

If someone asks you to kill someone, and then you take possession of this victim’s cell phone, you no longer have deniability.

You have context for what you are helping with.

Had she not been solicited, then I still wouldn’t believe that she didn’t know what she was doing.

It’s implausible, if not impossible, to make that claim now.

It hasn't been established that it was she alone that had been solicited all 3 times. I think there is another player that was along with her.

 

[Hatfield]

There is a thread for that case here: ID - Ricky Eugene Weaver charged w/Solicitation for Murder, Elmore County, Dec 2018

Thank You. I should have checked here on WS first.

 

[skycountry]

IMO PF may have been an abuser. We have info about his temper (against animals and the rodeo/trailer incident), we now possibly have KK afraid for her life if he found out she outed his plan, and it might be a stretch but based on the wrongful death suit he may have previously abused KB. I would not be surprised if we find out he was abusive of KB and possibly KK (if they were romantic).

I am wondering if KK was so afraid of PF, why stop in at the Sonic in WP over the TK weekend and chance him seeing her there.

 

[MassGuy]

My question is, even if KK played it off, would [should] the police have warned KB about the threats?

In retrospect, absolutely they should have.

Would they? I’m not sure what protocol is there. I would hope that notifying the potential victim is standard.

My main point was that it’s by no means a sure thing that these people contacting authorities, would have set off a chain of events that would have prevented this.

 

[dkryder]

Is this property the same as where he was living with mother.?


Patrick Frazee - Horse Pro Finder

not sure about location but i'm curious about the phone number. it's the first time i've seen a phone number in relation to PF. i'm not gonna try but i wonder who, if anyone, would answer?

 

[oviedo]

This is my updated timeline. There might be additional verified/factual information to add.
Please feel free to update and post.


November 22nd - Thursday
(Thanksgiving)

• KB last seen on video surveillance shopping in Safeway (noon hour)
• KB exchanged daughter with PF (fiancé)

November 25th - Sunday

• Text from KB’s phone to her employer
• KB's phone pinged in Gooding, ID (5:13 pm)
• PF received text from KB’s phone

December 2nd - Sunday

• KB's mom called PF on KB's whereabouts
• Missing person reported - KB's mom (12:37 pm)

December 10th - Monday

• Press Conference

Woodland Park Police Department​

December 12th - Wednesday

• PF Attorney releases statement - PF is cooperating with investigators

December 13th - Thursday

• Candlelight Vigil Held for KB

December 14th - Friday

• Search Warrant Franzee Property/Residence

December 15th - Saturday

• Twin Falls law enforcement was requested to help

December 16th - Sunday

• The search of Patrick Frazee's property concludes Sunday night

December 18th - Tuesday

• Five law enforcement vehicles seen leaving PF Property
• PF and 2 others made trip to Waste Management Landfill

December 19th - Wednesday

• LE at Kelsey’s Residence

December 20th - Thursday

• LE at Kelsey’s Residence

December 21st - Friday

• Arrested- 1st Degree murder and Solicitation of Murder

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330
Archonix XJail Public​

• Press Conference 10am MST

Woodland Park Police Department​

• LE at Kelsey’s Residence
• PF - Hearing on Advisement - 3:30pm

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330​

• Vigil held for KB in Moses Lake, WA

December 22nd - Saturday

• Twin Falls, ID Police Department issued statement they are working with CBI and FBI to prepare and serve several search warrants, including processing items of possible evidence with the assistance of the Twin Falls County and Twin Falls Evidence Technicians.

December 27th - Thursday

• Temporary Custody Hearing - 1pm

Case #: D602018JV26​

Court granted a Temporary Emergency Custody Order made by Teller County Department of Human Services (TCDHS) placing the minor child in the temporary physical custody of maternal grandparents and legal custody of TCDHS. The court continued the temporary custody of the minor child with maternal grandparents. The court postponed a final decision after Frazee’s mother, the girl’s grandmother, filed a motion in the custody case and the case is continued for a pre-trial conference​

December 31st - Monday

• PF - First Appearance - 9am

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330
Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search​

COUNT 1 - MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE
On or about November 22, 2018, PATRICK FRAZEE unlawfully, feleniously, after deliberation, and with the intent to cause the death of a person other than himself, caused the death of Kelsey Berreth.

COUNT 2 - SOLICITATION TO COMMIT MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE
Between and including September 1, 2018 and November 1, 2018, PATRICK FRAZEE unlawfully and feloniously commanded, induced, entered, or otherwise attempted to persuade another person to commit the felony of murder in the first degree, with intent to promote or facilitate the commission of that crime and under circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent.​

COUNT 3-MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE
On or about November 22, 2018, PATRICK FRAZEE unlawfully and feloniously, acting alone or with one or more persons, committed or attempted to commit Robbery and, in the course of or in furtherance of that crime, or in the immediate flight therefrom, the death of Kelsey Berreth, a person, other than one of the participants, was cause by anyone.​

COUNT 4-SOLICITATION TO COMMIT MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE
Between and including September 1, 2018 and November 1, 2018, PATRICK FRAZEE unlawfully and feloniously commanded, induced, entered, or otherwise attempted to persuade another person to commit the felony of murder in the first degree, with intent to promote or facilitate the commission of that crime and under circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent.​

COUNT 5-SOLICITATION TO COMMIT MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE
Between and including September 1, 2018 and November 1, 2018 PATRICK FRAZEE unlawfully and feloniously commanded, induced, entreated, or otherwise attempted to persuade another person to commit the felony of murder in the first degree, with intent to promote or facilitate the commission of that crime and under circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent.​

January 3rd - Thursday

• Temporary Custody Hearing Continued - 8:30am

Case #: D602018JV26

Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search​

January 4th - Friday

• PF - Motions Hearing - 1:30pm

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330
Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search​

Discuss how to process an unknown piece of evidence, and whether Frazee and his defense can have access to the arrest affidavit.​

• KB’s parents file civil suit against PF

The civil suit accuses Frazee of wrongful death, negligence per se, conspiracy, and infliction of emotional distress. The documents allege Frazee either committed and/or collaborated in Kelsey's murder. The suit also accuses Frazee of inflicting physical, mental, and emotional acts of violence on Kelsey prior to her death. The Berreths claim that Frazee's "extreme and outrageous conduct" has caused them emotional distress exceeding $75,000.​

January 29th- Tuesday (VACATED)

• PF - Preliminary Hearing - 9am

Inmate #: 2018001543

Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330
Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search​

February 7th - Thursday

• Pre-Trial Conference (Custody) - 8:30am

Case #: D602018JV26
Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search​

February 19th- Tuesday

• PF - Preliminary Hearing - 9am

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330
Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search​

Colorado Judicial Branch
Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search
Archonix XJail Public

What about adding in the December 17 date that the R's are claiming to have contacted LE?
Twin Falls couple talks about providing a tip to the FBI on the Kelsey Berreth case

 

[Esma]

I am wondering if KK was so afraid of PF, why stop in at the Sonic in WP over the TK weekend and chance him seeing her there.

I don't think it was... or IS... PF she is afraid of.

 

[MassGuy]

It hasn't been established that it was she alone that had been solicited all 3 times. I think there is another player that was along with her.

It’s been reported that she was the one solicited on three occasions.

We do not know this for sure, but it absolutely makes sense.

On account of her telling a friend about this, it is reasonable to assume that she said no on that first occasion.

On account of her atleast helping with the phone, it makes logical sense that there were subsequent solicitations, after which she agreed to act in some capacity.

It all fits.

 

[StarEyes]

Well she was solicited three times, and ultimately helped PF mislead any potential investigation, on account of those texts and ping.

If someone asks you to kill someone, and then you take possession of this victim’s cell phone, you no longer have deniability.

You have context for what you are helping with.

Had she not been solicited, then I still wouldn’t believe that she didn’t know what she was doing.

It’s implausible, if not impossible, to make that claim now.

You are correct. I’ve been watching a few other threads, and I missed that he solicited her 3 times. I thought it was once. God, he is not very bright at all. Hopefully, she’s the key to knowing PFs motive. jmo

 

[Colorado303]

You’re right in that it’s important that people speak up when something nefarious comes to their attention.

But let’s game this specific scenario out:

The attorneys contact their local police department, and inform them that they have an employee whose friend said she was approached to commit a murder.

This local police department sends an officer to talk to the friend.

After the conversation, this officer believes that this is a genuine plot (maybe).

This department then contacts the police department in the town that KK lives.

A police officer contacts KK.

At this point, KK can do one of two things:

Admit that she was solicited.

Play it off as a joke or something.

Considering that she ultimately became involved in some capacity, I’m confident that she would have denied it.

At this stage, one of two things can happen.

It ends here.

This department then contacts the police department in the Colorado town where PF lives.

This department then approaches PF.

Because I am confident in the fact that KK would have played this off already and PF would have done the same, it very well could have ended here too.

My point is this:

It is by no means a sure thing that this couple could have stopped this.

KK could have though, at plenty of points along the way.

I think your description of what would have transpired is spot on. But as other posters have pointed out, I do wonder if being approached by LE might have given PF pause and/or alerted KB to potential danger. That’s enough reason IMO to contact LE. Not to mention if it were me I would sleep a hell of a lot better at night

 

[skycountry]

Not to change the subject about the KK and her BFF, but I think this is going to be all about custody of Kaylee, I bet she was a chick magnet for him. Could be why he carried her around like an accessory. I bet he loved having women lean in, and comment on Kaylee. As a single father whose SO was deceased, even more sympathy for him. He is weak, that we can see from him asking a woman to kill KB. I cant imagine what KB had on PF that would make him want to kill her. Was he into drugs, prescription type? He may have had some injuries and Dr's do prescribe pain meds for recovery. JMO

 

[sunshineandlove]

It hasn't been established that it was she alone that had been solicited all 3 times. I think there is another player that was along with her.

I agree, I don't think we know all the actors yet.

 

[Esma]

It’s been reported that she was the one solicited on three occasions.

We do not know this for sure, but it absolutely makes sense.

On account of her telling a friend about this, it is reasonable to assume that she said no on that first occasion.

On account of her atleast helping with the phone, it makes logical sense that there were subsequent solicitations, after which she agreed to act in some capacity.

It all fits.

I disagree- I think it was a news media error and there is another person associated with KK who was solicited also-- whom I think will be arrested soon.

 

[Lhughessk]

My question is, even if KK played it off, would [should] the police have warned KB about the threats?

I think a lot of small police departments take the path of least resistance. They might listen to KK or BFF’s story, then blow it off with, “Until he actually does something, we can’t do anything.” I had a long and frustrating talk once with a local cop who lectured me about how cops are reactive, not proactive.

And honestly, what CAN they do without some kind of proof? It’s he said/she said. A good police department could wire her up and try to get the info recorded, if she’s willing to do that. But a lot of PDs might not bother to even suggest it. Why? Because they’re thinking of all the false alarms, the boy who cried wolf, the times someone said something in the heat of the moment and nothing came of it.

Until one day, it does.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

What about adding in the December 17 date that the R's are claiming to have contacted LE?
Twin Falls couple talks about providing a tip to the FBI on the Kelsey Berreth case

I'm thinking it would be best if we left it off the timeline until it's verified. jmo

 

[MassGuy]

I think your description of what would have transpired is spot on. But as other posters have pointed out, I do wonder if being approached by LE might have given PF pause and/or alerted KB to potential danger. That’s enough reason IMO to contact LE. Not to mention if it were me I would sleep a hell of a lot better at night

Oh I agree, I would have done it as well.

Knowing what we know now, it is entirely possible that them reporting this, could have prevented what happened.

Saying that it would have though, is going too far.

 

[BelleinDixie]

They did not need to know anything other than the name Patrick. They had KK's information, and it is LE's job to investigate and learn additional details. They should have called LE in October - and their employee (friend of KK) should have definitely called LE instead of telling her employer. If my friend came to me and said, "my boyfriend just asked me to kill his fiance", there is absolutely NO WAY I am not calling LE immediately. These people made bad decisions that prevented LE from being able to action earlier. While PF is 100% to blame for Kelsey's death, the inaction of these 3 individuals in reprehensible.

Luckily none of my BFF's have ever admitted THAT to me, nor would they be likely to, knowing me. I hope I don't have friends like that at least.