CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[Irmese]

I'm so glad to see this couple came forward. It shows that KK blabbed then her BFF blabbed, too.
ETA: Now we know who talked and how the solicitation charges came about.

 

[BingoBongo]

It made me ill to learn that the bff of KK told two more people about this and it was just ignored. Having said that, other members here have stated that even if they went to LE it is likely nothing could have been done. That's sickening in and of itself.

I have nothing against this couple, but the timing of this "revelation" to me is somewhat suspect as others here have suggested. Preemptive damage control, IMHO. Coming out to look like "whistleblowers"? Give me a break. I don't buy it. The information they had may have changed the course of events. Even if LE had done nothing, bff could have somehow alerted SOMEONE to the POSSIBILITY that someone was planning to harm her. Even if she didn't believe it, at least someone did something.

Of course, PF is the guilty party in her death, but KK and bff could have acted. I'm guessing KK knew he was serious, especially after the third solicitation. Bff defending her on SM? Doesn't surprise me she got harassed. KK is neck deep in this.

And, to top it off, MSM is going to air this bit by bit? To what end? To make them look better? Obviously there is more to this terrible tale. Should they be talking at all?? First, they do nothing to follow up on the info from bff that may have changed the course of events and now they are speaking publicly and may jeopardize a high profile investigation?

I will reserve any further comment pending what else they have to say.

I am wondering if LE has requested that the interview not be released. in it's entirety, all at once, for a reason?

I believe most of us here would wholeheartedly agree that the blame for KB's death rests solely with the one(s) who did it...but...Good Lord! If you hear that someone is planning someone else's death, and you have even the remotest indication that the threat is real (BF was upset according to the R's), then by all means, sound the dang alarm!

Frankly, I would have anonymously contacted KB and told her!

 

[BRRI]

I don’t have any information because I’m not on FB, but I have seen references that the employee was being harassed on FB, which is why I’m asking if anyone knows when the harassment or discussions started on FB. Did they only start once KB was reported missing or murdered?

Yes. I believe around Christmas is when I personally first saw the harassment starting.

 

[cody22]

Anyone else got the feeling that KK is gonna get off with a LE negotiated probated sentence, in exchange for her testimony against PF ?...moo

 

[BRRI]

And then I am thinking, how many people during the course of a day might say about their ex "I want to kill him/her". But it does not happen nor do they mean it.
All the R's had was an employee that said what she said but to their knowledge it could have just been bad words in passing and they had no idea who PF or KB even were. To me it is a tough call and I do not blame the R's at all. The knowledge just was not there.
Now if they had talked directly to KK then maybe things would have been different but the employee was a "friend". We know nothing about how she handles herself or situations. She could have over reacted to things and that is why maybe the R's asked her to ask KK to come talk to them. To see if this was a real deal?
They did end up contacting LE once the pieces started to come together and that this DID happen andf at that point it was all they could do.
I see no reason whatsoever to put any blame on them at all.....JMO

I think the difference is that they said their employee was visibly upset. To me, that differentiates venting/casual conversation and actual threat

 

[makayla]

My impression was that it was after the fact that the harassment started. People can be idiots, and FB seems like the perfect breeding ground for that. Sad, and stupid.

Thank you. I’m hoping that’s the case, otherwise it would be unbelievable that anyone would post on social media and not report to LE. From what I hear, I would say I agree that FB is the perfect breeding ground for idiots. JMHO, and I admit I don’t have first hand experience with FB.

 

[soap mama]

Hindsight is 20/20 and social media warriors always know they would have done everything perfectly *eye roll*

Now I do personally think I would at least go to my Sheriff neighbor if I heard this, but I’m a crime junkie
Non crime junkies don’t think like we do

But even IF the Rs we t to LE and LE spoke to KK, she would have denied saying it or that her bff misunderstood

The only thing that all this blame gaming is going to do is start keeping people from ever coming forward, EVER!!

 

[oviedo]

Anyone else got the feeling that KK is gonna get off with a LE negotiated probated sentence, in exchange for her testimony against PF ?...moo

Yes IMO that is what is happening and why she isn't arrested yet. I believe they have quite a lot of evidence at this point but having an eyewitness never hurts, especially in a no body case. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

last nights' thread had quite alot of references about this employee's support of KK and the backlash that came from it - IMO the support had to come AFTER KK was identified, otherwise why harass the employee? and if this is true - she actively supported her friend with prior knowledge of the plot and that is not good IMO. MSM so far is just reporting the R's side of things so we don't really know anything other than their reason to speak was their employee was harassed? Is this it?

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“She was probably one of the best queens, she was amazing,”

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“A person is gonna be hard pressed to find someone more honest, reliable, kind and very well grounded,” Stutzman said. “She's just one in a million. My Krystal, she's a really wonderful, wonderful person. And I cannot for the life of me, and I can't imagine any of this, what her families going through, her friends.”

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“On the other hand, knowing Krystal the way that I do, and with how level-headed and grounded that she is, I really have a difficult time believing that in just a short period of time she could go from an angel to a monster and that is not Krystal,” Stutzman said. “(She) comes from good solid family.”

Rodeo associate shows support for woman investigated by FBI

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I have felt for days that for reasons I am still not sure of that KK has been protected /sheltered/kept from public blame. Just seems odd to me.

 

[BRRI]

As of right now at this moment we do not know exactly what PF said to KK or how he said it.
But I agree KK should have went to LE definitely because I do not think this was a one shot conversation. They talked to each other and probably often.
I am curious to know exactly what was said along with what had been going on between PF & KK though as in what did PF say?

Her bff should have gone to police. If it bothered her enough to be visibly upset, then she knew it had a real possibility of happening

 

[allboys]

Trying to reply to this post from last thread. I still don’t know how to move things properly.


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“How do you seriously know what to do or what to believe when a person, not involved, tells you a story her BFF has told her?

The story involved another person far away. Was the BFF and boyfriend having an argument, had they been drinking, what was the atmosphere when this exchange took place? What type person was he?

There are too many unknowns to place blame on this couple for not reporting it, IMO. They told their employee to have her BFF come in to discuss it.

How can anyone report a story that is hundred miles away, the lawyer may not have known where the parties lived for that matter. Without talking to the person claiming her boyfriend solicited her for murder, anyone is taking a huge step in calling LE. A lawyer knows what is needed to report such a story,”
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My reply:

I guess I see it a different way. Of course this is all HYPOTHETICAL, because we are missing a lot of details.

But from what I heard during the interview, Patty knew that the man who wanted the mother of his child killed by KK, was named Patrick.

Hypothetically, if Patty had been able to get more info. from KK’s friend, who I am guessing knew a lot more than the name “Patrick,” she would have a place to start. Or “they” would have had a place to start, if working together.

So much info. can be found online these days. I have helped two people recently (a friend and a DNA relative) find their birth families after having been adopted at birth. Both had minimal information to start with. Google and Facebook are amazing sleuthing tools.

Let’s say either KK’s friend or Patty had been successful in being able to figure out KB’s name. Or, even if they hadn’t been....Let’s say they lucked out and they found an LE officer who was willing to just have a casual “chat” with KK about what she was asked by this “Patrick.” Even if KK downplayed the whole thing, and the LE officer chalks it all up to a misunderstanding that needs no further investigation.... If I’m KK, and now I’ve talked to LE about a request for murder scenario, how likely am I to now go through with it, in any capacity?

Now, I realize I’m throwing out a lot of “what ifs”. And even if KK didn’t get involved, someone else might have. (This is why I think for Patty or KK’s friend to have personally warned KB would be key).
But I still believe based on what little I heard in the interview, I personally, would have done more. MOO

* I will try to watch the remainder of the interview with an open mind. I realize I painted a much simpler picture of a possible scenario than what might have really happened had any of these people taken some sort of action back in October.

 

[otto]

Who is R?

Could someone please provide a link to this R person and the relationship to Kelsey's murder.

 

[oviedo]

Yes. I believe around Christmas is when I personally first saw the harassment starting.

So this is definitely after she was confided in by KK, after she went to her employer? Why in the world would she defend her knowing all of this - now that really makes no sense to me unless she wants to be part of the story? There were a few people like that during the Caylee Anthony searches IIRC.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I don’t have any information because I’m not on FB, but I have seen references that the employee was being harassed on FB, which is why I’m asking if anyone knows when the harassment or discussions started on FB. Did they only start once KB was reported missing or murdered?

It only happened after KK's name first surfaced. That was likely just before the media reported her name and at that time KK's FB was still available. In typical Facebook "true crime" case group activity piles of people likely went out and attacked and even made threats to anyone connected to KK via her friend list or even people that "liked" things. This is very common and Facebook people often will attack people with the same name but the wrong person and so on, harassing them until they have no choice but to delete their Facebook and so on. In the Mollie Tibbets case piles of people went after some young guy that was friends with Mollie and happened to post after she disappeared that he knew her and was concerned about her - something like that is all that is necessary to have hordes of morons descend upon you.

 

[oviedo]

A lot of discussion on this last night - thread #27 but this was a really good synopsis by Pommy
Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #27 *ARREST*

• Date unknown: KK tells BFF that PF asked her to kill KB
• Oct 2018: BFF tells employer what KK said
• Dec 10: Presser where CB speaks
• Dec 15: Search warrants served in Idaho

1) The R's called the FBI after hearing CB say someone knows where she's at.

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI
"“I think the mother that had the courage and go on TV when her daughter was missing, saying that someone knew where she was at,” Patty said. “At that point in my mind I thought that Patrick, and that was the only name I had heard him called, I didn't know his last name, had done something to her daughter and he knew where she was at.”

2) CB made that statement at the Dec 10 press conference:

New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho | East Idaho News
"“She is not the kind that runs off,” an emotional Cheryl Berreth said during the news conference. “This is completely out of character. She loves her God, her family, friends and her job. She is reliable, considerate and honest. Like I said – she doesn’t run off and someone knows where she is at.”

3) So, the R's would have contacted the FBI on or around Dec. 10. MOO

Otto - there was part 1 of an interview released last night - the R's knew about the murder plot in October and they came forward after their employee (who is apparently the BFF of KK) was getting harassed online for defending KK.

 

[windrower]

I would like to know when people started discussing this on FB ... how did that happen? Who initiated any comments about the solicitation to murder plot? Why would people feel it’s right to discuss it on FB, but not report it to LE? It’s a very complex case as to how many people were aware of this plot. It sickens me no end thinking that there was even one person who potentially could have prevented this. I’m not on FB so I haven’t read anything that was posted - I’m horrified that anybody would post or chat about anything so serious, and not do the right thing to save someone’s life.

As to the couple giving the interview, I was surprised to hear they are a law firm ... what????? I’m glad they finally spoke up, but shouldn’t they of all people know how to contact LE about the news they heard from their employee? I know there has to be certain proof before something can be investigated, but for heavens sake, this is a murder plot we’re talking about, so figure out any way you can to report it immediately!

There are several posts similar to the one above and may I say . . .

Wow. Just . . . wow. All this accusation and indignation for innocent people caught in a web NOT of their making.

The only people who knew this was a murder plot prior to Kelsey being murdered was PF, and maybe KK and the other solicitees, if there are others.

To expect people who are getting a story third-or fourth-hand to report a threat, especially when they don't even know the details--who, what, when, where--is ludicrous. IMO.

Hindsight is the only reason why we all know there was a murder plot in the works last fall. We now have the knowledge that something nefarious was being planned, and carried out, by PF, and these folks came to that knowledge about the same time the rest of the world did. And when they recognized they actually knew something, they reported it to the proper authorities.

As always, IMO.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Who is R?

Could someone please provide a link to this R person and the relationship to Kelsey's murder.

That in the initial of the last name of the couple that were interviewed yesterday. There is a story linked with the interview. It is basically that one of their employees came to them upset because that employees best friend (KK) told her that her boyfriend (PF) had asked her to kill the mother of his child. There will be more of the interview with the R's today, tomorrow, not sure about Saturday, and on Sunday. It is one of those trickle-out interviews.

 

[oviedo]

I am wondering if LE has requested that the interview not be released. in it's entirety, all at once, for a reason?

I believe most of us here would wholeheartedly agree that the blame for KB's death rests solely with the one(s) who did it...but...Good Lord! If you hear that someone is planning someone else's death, and you have even the remotest indication that the threat is real (BF was upset according to the R's), then by all means, sound the dang alarm!

Frankly, I would have anonymously contacted KB and told her!

I guess this could be a LE tactic - other players to either come forward, or put the pressure on others to talk possibly? JMO

 

[BRRI]

I will say this very generally. If you or a family member of yours goes onto social media, and starts defending someone who may be involved in murder, and threaten admins of a social media group (a group for the victim of the murder, at that), you need to expect blowback from a lot of people. I’ve seen a lot of comments about social media warriors here, but if you instigate the warriors, there will always be blowback.

Sometimes it’s best to ignore and say nothing. Roll and scroll as they say. Or maybe sign off of social media until you are calm.

 

[otto]

Otto - there was part 1 of an interview released last night - the R's knew about the murder plot in October and they came forward after their employee (who is apparently the BFF of KK) was getting harassed online for defending KK.

So an employer has an employee who made a fuss because her friend was harassed on social media? They all knew that KK was in some way involved in plotting a murder and they decided to defend and protect KK?