CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[Herat]

Not totally impossible...but the phone stuff in ID throws me off in this kind of scenario.

Maybe the phone stuff was HER idea.

Her offer to come down there an remove some of the evidence, create a diversionary trail of phone messages.

 

[Jupiter05]

But why are they doing these interviews? Money (are they being paid?), sway public opinion on the players?, get ahead of something nasty to come out? It really makes no sense to me that they would be speaking this way and it seems to me, to make KK and BFF appear naive and innocent - JMO.

They no doubt know their employee well and beleive what she has told them. I think they did the interview for the right reasons, although we all wish they had come forward sooner.

 

[Lhughessk]

This is the new reports from part 2: This would be from best friend reports to employers.

"KL was so scared, he was so angry that he said things that made KL think he had killed before. So of course, she's going to be terrified," JL said.

Asked what they heard PF's motive, PR said, "That he felt that KB was going to harm the child, that she was crazy."

Potential threat to KL's daughter:
"PF told KL that little girls go missing off the playground all the time," PR said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-idaho-couple-discusses-kelsey-berreth-20190110-story.html?outputType=amp

I try to initially give people the benefit of the doubt. But this with the Rs is just odd. They’re giving out third-hand information that they can’t possibly verify. Assigning a state of mind to someone they’ve never even met.

This is not how lawyers normally act.

 

[Herat]

You are probably right- book deal for friend brokered by lawyer employer.

But could KK"s attorney stop it? And maybe they thought it would generate sympathy or an understanding. Wrongo!

And CB can go after the whole of them in a wrongful death lawsuit, preventing them from profiting from KB's murder. That would be a civil trial, which doesn't have the same degree of certainty needed in a criminal proceeding.

 

[Herat]

The R;s and the BFF aren't putting themselves out there for nothing.

They're in it for $$$$

 

[Trudie]

Makes for a good defense argument for PF, but if he wasn't involved he would have been very concerned for where KB was and been talking to LE, media etc. I could go on and on..

No prob. I’m only trying to think outside the box.
IMO, things are not adding up.
I’m not saying PF is innocent, either. I think there’s a whole lot more going on.
Like OLD/obsessive love disorder.

 

[Yellow Rose]

I try to initially give people the benefit of the doubt. But this with the Rs is just odd. They’re giving out third-hand information that they can’t possibly verify. Assigning a state of mind to someone they’ve never even met.

This is not how lawyers normally act.

I completely agree...
I am going to try to set them aside for now and pray LE are on a great path to the truth. My God I could not even imagine being a member of Kelsey's suffering family!

 

[Herat]

I try to initially give people the benefit of the doubt. But this with the Rs is just odd. They’re giving out third-hand information that they can’t possibly verify. Assigning a state of mind to someone they’ve never even met.

This is not how lawyers normally act.

Aren't they "personal injury" lawyers = Ambulance chasers.

They're in this for the $$$ for media / publishing rights to at least BFF's story if they do not also have some hidden contract with KK

 

[jaspermac]

They no doubt know their employee well and beleive what she has told them. I think they did the interview for the right reasons, although we all wish they had come forward sooner.

What right reason? They have no direct knowledge of whether or not KK was scared, what the motives were etc. Why put yourself out there with information that you don't know is true? You can definitely go to LE about it and let them verify it or not. But to go to the media? A friend told me.... Its straight up gossip, (even it they believe its true, its still gossip).

 

[Snow Flower]

And what is it about September that starts this whole ball rolling?

LE is confident enough to charge HIM with the 3 X solicitation charges starting Sept 1.

What was happening then?

If she wanted Thanksgiving off(KK) this might be the best time to put her request for it in at work.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Aren't they "personal injury" lawyers = Ambulance chasers.

They're in this for the $$$ for media / publishing rights to at least BFF's story if they do not also have some hidden contract with KK

I thought they were "wrongful death" attorneys, either way, UNETHICAL! imho

 

[InvSmith]

I am more convinced that these individuals should NOT be speaking out. This information appears strongly to benefit KL and I understand that but it really should be for the court. These two would understand the significance of their current public statements being used in court.

 

[jaspermac]

And CB can go after the whole of them in a wrongful death lawsuit, preventing them from profiting from KB's murder. That would be a civil trial, which doesn't have the same degree of certainty needed in a criminal proceeding.

I could be wrong but they couldn't go after the friend or the R's if they wanted to do a book? Or could they?

 

[InvSmith]

I thought they were "wrongful death" attorneys, either way, UNETHICAL! imho

Spot on.

 

[BingoBongo]

I am more convinced that these individuals should NOT be speaking out. This information appears strongly to benefit KL and I understand that but it really should be for the court. These two would understand the significance of their current public statements being used in court.

I am wondering if there is more to the story. Finding it really hard to believe what they are doing via the media. I would think, that at least one of the other lawyers involved, or the CBI/FBI, etc. would take issue w/this whole media fiasco.

According to on-line listings, they are more than personal injury laywers.

 

[Trudie]

I prefer facts.
Thus far I know P has a mom with a walking impairment, is assumed to have a host of mental/personality issues & dirt poor. Also, based on what I read, he’s a flagrant animal abuser that was desperate to have sole custody of his child & solicited one or more persons to assist in murder.
I’m still searching for info to determine the date of the murder. I could log off right now & not take calls for the remainder of the weekend. If I’m determined to be deceased, Monday, did I die Fri/Sat or Sunday? My mailman saw me this morning, no one else has. So, would he be the last person to see me? How would anyone know if I let someone in my house? Several cars passed & honked their horns as I chatted briefly with my mailman.
Yes, I guess he would be in a precarious situation, come Monday, if I’m missing, presumed dead. Even though he drove off finishing his route.

 

[jaspermac]

No prob. I’m only trying to think outside the box.
IMO, things are not adding up.
I’m not saying PF is innocent, either. I think there’s a whole lot more going on.
Like OLD/obsessive love disorder.

I agree and I think that old/obsessive love by a rodeo queen played into why she chose to be involved.
re not adding up- I do think there will be alot more unbelievable things coming out in this case (no inside info, or leads from elsewhere this is JMO) and I hope LE is able to sort through it all so that people pay the price for what they have done.

 

[Esma]

I thought they were "wrongful death" attorneys, either way, UNETHICAL! imho

If you look at their website, criminal law is a little blurb at the end of the menu. Probably added on recently. Haha.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Just read the CBS interview. I personally am BEYOND furious and now more than ever convinced that blankedy, blank, blank KK is guilty as sin in this. I hope the FBI has her tucked away in custody somewhere. I don’t believe her bullpuckey story for even one second. I officially take back any benefit of any doubt I’ve extended to her.

ETA - the Rs are doing themselves no favors carrying her pathetic message.

 

[Charlot123]

I am guessing that's why she may have seen through him, long-distance it's difficult to really "know" someone (IMO that's why a lot of narcs do the on-line dating thing). I bet once she got there and had the opportunity to see the real deal in action, she may have begun to pull away, and/or call him out on some stuff. If he is, in fact, a narc, that narc rage may be why she's gone. :-(

Narcs ALWAYS feed people what they want them to hear. The lies are truly astounding, and it's even more astounding that most of them believe their own lies to the point of being truly surprised when they are caught. They lie, and expect others to believe them, even when those lies are unbelievable. Some of the good ones can pass polygraph tests with no problem, because to them, they are not lying.

Many will go to counseling w/an SO and completely pull the wool over the counselor/therapist. It takes a specifically trained individual to fully smoke them out and understand what is happening.

These people are downright scary.

I am beginning to think that Narc is just the tip of the iceberg in PF's case.

I know the mods don't like allusion to other media, but it has been mentioned today.

PF (I assume) was the source of information about KB that proved to be outright lies.

I am wondering if we could assume that everything he said about KB could have been his own problem. That it was a form of psychotic, for the lack of a better word, or at least very delusional, transference. Maybe it is narcissistic transference, only I never heard the term.

Today we heard that PF allegedly said to KK that he was afraid KB was crazy and might hurt a child.
Any normal person who has evidence to the above would call Child Protective Services. This is how one deals with such concerns.

Not PF. He kills KB.

So - how about turning the tables on PF? What if PF, IRL, harbored the plans to hurt his child? Per the Rs, he threatened KKL's child, a girl. Assuming it was right (we dont' know), is there a possibility of him having similar plans about own girl?

Before, as it had already been mentioned today, PF accused KB of being bipolar (that is a diagnosis, and PF is not even a therapist). Where did he take it from? KB was a pilot and from what i know, functioned well in a difficult environment with minimal help.

What if PF was once diagnosed with being bipolar?

Given prior accusations, I am now asking myself if PF potentially had drinking problems and maybe, used drugs? (Paranoia!).

Etc, etc. If you hear about KB being this or that, you might wonder if PF had all these issues.

Mods, you are free to remove this, but as you can see, many of PF's accusations have penetrated MSM, so I wonder if we should speak about what in reality stands behind them.

My guess - PF's own issues.