CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #29 *ARREST*

[Esma]

Police have been clear all along. The media has sucked. The one and only welfare check request came on 12/2 per LE and was done on that day. Why would her brother have waited until December to go to her home if the welfare check had been on 11/25? It did not happen.

I thought the welfare check was 11/25- not?

 

[vaporlass]

So you have seen mines in the area that you considered to be good places to hide a body. I lived in the area two summers, many years ago, and hiked extensively, and did not. We have different observations. However, my point was that I have never heartd of one actually being used to hide a body. Rampart Range Road, on the other hand, is has always been quite popular.

I think they should start searching mines near PF’s home ... the phone was obviously intended to make them think she was killed in Idaho and get them to waste time searching in Idaho ... but KB is actually much closer to home I suspect.

 

[Trudie]

Whoa! Krystal created a private FB group to discuss the missing Kelsey Berreth, BEFORE it was publicly announced that Kelsey was missing? Do I have that right? And, why would some chic in Idaho, who would have no known connection to Kelsey (friendship, etc) be creating a private FB group about some girl, Kelsey, whom she did not know?

WOW.

Is there an archive anywhere of this FB group's posts? Maybe reddit or 4chan?

Idk about a group that may have been formed.
IMO, KK/KB met at some point. Or at least knew of each other.

 

[SandyQLS]

To add to the Nov 25 welfare check at Kelsey's home, it was later amended to Dec 5 with no explanation and a repeat mention of the rolls. My thought is first CB called WPPD for a cursory drive-by of Kelsey's house. Then later did an official missing persons report. moo

"Police have clarified that Berreth was not reported missing by her mother, Cheryl Berreth, until Dec. 2. A welfare check was conducted at her home and police say they found cold cinnamon rolls on the stove."

Police now calling disappearance of Colorado mom suspicious | East Idaho News

Notice the correction appears in an Idaho news report.

Exactly! And so much thanks for all your saved links about Nov 25. LE is using a little semantics play there - CB filed the official missing persons report 12/2, and LE subsequently dropped all mention of Nov 25. JMO CB and LE were on this case heavy since 11/25.... The news about KB missing began Dec 3 and the first WS thread - but the first presser was not until Dec 10.

I remember we kept correcting each other on Nov 25 versus Dec 2. And I remember I searched and posted about 'Is there a difference between a welfare check and a community caretaker check' because of the confusion.

Now we now, the rodeo of fools was blabbing about KB missing on FB since Nov 25/26 before even the media on Dec 3 ever reported, and a week before the Dec 10 presser.

So the R interviews make more sense. They want it clear that although they heard a little in October, and a little Nov 26, they are no way involved in this coverup.

 

[MCDRAW]

perhaps there was another person who was supposed to take KB car [and phone] and do the drive but that person was a no show when it was time to do the deed. so backup plan was then KK had to do phone but could not do the car cause she had her car.

There certainly seems to be a lot of players in this case, so anything is possible.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Read the article. It is in there.
Berreth’s mom called police on Nov. 25 and officers conducted a welfare check at her residence. When police arrived at her home, she was not there.
Edited to say I provided a link!!

Thank you so very much! Here is the link

Phone of missing Colorado mother pinged in Idaho

 

[NCTeacher]

Are we 100% sure it’s his child? We did discuss a narrow window of possibility.

Well there's no way to be 100% sure without a paternity test, but I'm inclined to believe if a man won't marry a woman because the baby isn't his, he probably isn't going to be caregiver to the baby and basically give everyone the impression she is his.

 

[Herat]

I think they are covering their own butts.
KK surely told FBI that she had discussed with her BFF.
The R’s spoke as if they knew KK personally. They knew PF was KK’s first love and she was so “vulnerable” ... YET they claim to not have known his last name?
Come on y’all! Do you really believe KK’s BFF didn’t know his LAST NAME but KK told her he wanted her to kill the mother of his child? Seriously who believes this BS, they didn’t know his last name? They should have said they didn’t believe it - that sounds truthful and honest.
Y’all can give them a free pass if you want - I’m not. They are lawyers - it should have been their duty to report it at least EVEN if LE did nothing.
I could believe, we just didn’t think it was serious - you know how young couples threaten one another. Blah. Blah. Blah.
No one will convince me BFF didn’t know PF’s last name. I’m still judging whether or not I believe they did it together or KK did it alone to get her first love and his baby.

This entire deal of KK, BFF, and the R's is so......wrong and inappropriate.

I think all of them are going to suffer as a result of exposing their information to the MSM instead of keeping quiet and letting LE work through the case.

As for the R's; I don't see an altruistic objective here. I see some less than honorable motives, likely financial.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think they are covering their own butts.
KK surely told FBI that she had discussed with her BFF.
The R’s spoke as if they knew KK personally. They knew PF was KK’s first love and she was so “vulnerable” ... YET they claim to not have known his last name?
Come on y’all! Do you really believe KK’s BFF didn’t know his LAST NAME but KK told her he wanted her to kill the mother of his child? Seriously who believes this BS, they didn’t know his last name? They should have said they didn’t believe it - that sounds truthful and honest.
Y’all can give them a free pass if you want - I’m not. They are lawyers - it should have been their duty to report it at least EVEN if LE did nothing.
I could believe, we just didn’t think it was serious - you know how young couples threaten one another. Blah. Blah. Blah.
No one will convince me BFF didn’t know PF’s last name. I’m still judging whether or not I believe they did it together or KK did it alone to get her first love and his baby.

I think they are covering their own butts.
KK surely told FBI that she had discussed with her BFF.
The R’s spoke as if they knew KK personally. They knew PF was KK’s first love and she was so “vulnerable” ... YET they claim to not have known his last name?
Come on y’all! Do you really believe KK’s BFF didn’t know his LAST NAME but KK told her he wanted her to kill the mother of his child? Seriously who believes this BS, they didn’t know his last name? They should have said they didn’t believe it - that sounds truthful and honest.
Y’all can give them a free pass if you want - I’m not. They are lawyers - it should have been their duty to report it at least EVEN if LE did nothing.
I could believe, we just didn’t think it was serious - you know how young couples threaten one another. Blah. Blah. Blah.
No one will convince me BFF didn’t know PF’s last name. I’m still judging whether or not I believe they did it together or KK did it alone to get her first love and his baby.

We aren’t buying it either. We aren’t giving them a pass. We are all trying to sleuth this together.

 

[Gardener1850]

The original on Fri at 5 pm was just about the seeing missing Colorado woman on a FB post. The updated one Fri approx 8 pm says the employee came to them on Nov 26 and told them, plus a ref to facebook. In the original we debated because where would the FB post be and figured employee told the R's but this confirms it.

Its insane. What does this mean for everyone. They knew she was dead on Nov 26. The R's aren't stupid. Can they be charged with something.

It is insane. But could that correction mean the news reporter realized she made a mistake when it was pointed out but she STILL didn't correct it enough to make it make sense? If the R's are guilty of knowing on Nov 26th/27th that KB was murdered and doing absolutely nothing about it, why the heck are they talking to the press about this now? It makes them look very bad, as if they were in on the cover-up of a murder and are now spinning things to try to make it seem like they were actually hapless "whistle blowers" who failed to report it in time and failed a second time to report when they knew a woman had been murdered. I can't decide what I think is true about the Rs at this point. I can't wait to see if this story changes again once the reporter sees Jethro's communication asking about Nov 26th. I feel like the reporting in this case has been very shoddy. All I'm sure of at this point in time is PF murdered KB or had her murdered. MOO.

 

[GordianKnot]

I refuse, simply refuse, to believe that PF is capable of outwitting LE in any respect.

Therefore, I hold to the belief that KB's remains will be located.

The fact that LE dug a moon-sized crater right smack dab front of PF's mommy's house shows that LE fully understands that they are not dealing with a finalist for the "Greatest Criminal Mind of the 21st century" award.

IMO, KB is likely in one of the first and most obvious places you'd think to look.

Landfill. Buried or burned on the property. Check under his bed.

 

[missy1974]

Dunno.

When was the first time you heard about the case, was it before December 4th when you joined?

Did you see the case on Facebook prior to joining? Just trying to figure out when folks found out about this case

I am Canadian, so not local at all lol I *think* I saw it pop up in my FB feed early on only because I follow certain crime pages, otherwise I am not sure I would have saw a post at all on FB.

I do recall the week before he got arrested, I started reading about it here and on FB only because I kept seeing clips on Fox News. I am self-employed and I recall that week only because I was home and getting ready for xmas and actually had the time to read and follow!

I read something pages ago while I was catching up about PR getting the number off the tv when CB was on... some have pointed out that there wasn't a number on the screen, but in the part one interview, she does say that she saw it on the National News (I'm assuming CNN, FOX, HLN would be considered national). This is when I was seeing the clips repeatedly too, around the 15-17thish and all that week, actually, all through xmas they seemed to be showing lots of updates. It is very possible that Fox or CNN or HLN had a banner with a phone number to call on the bottom that local tv didn't have. JMO

Part 1:

When asked what made Patty come forward and call the FBI, she said it was when she connected the dots of who was involved and watching Kelsey’s mother Cheryl plea for help on national television.

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI


Part 2:

After this realization, Patty contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigations on Dec. 17 through the number that was posted at the bottom of Cheryl Berreth’s televised plea for help. Michelle immediately called Krystal to let her know, but she wasn’t surprised.

Part Two: Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

 

[NoeticSoul]

I think they should start searching mines near PF’s home ... the phone was obviously intended to make them think she was killed in Idaho and get them to waste time searching in Idaho ... but KB is actually much closer to home I suspect.

Sadly, I don't think that there's anything left of KB's remains to search for

 

[Love Never Fails]

No she didn't create a group...where did you get that from?

ONLY a theory...from Sandy above.

 

[jaspermac]

Then they apparently took their employee’s word for it, that KK had gone to the police.

Trust, but verify.

The stakes are too great not to make sure that this actually happened.

This is inexplicable.

I agree 100 percent.

But what about all the media that then started around it- Dec 12 (i think). What then? why wait til dec 17 to report. Because they realized they messed up big time and were trying to figure out how to dig themselves out of the hole?

And why do this interview so we all know? It might have gotten buried in all the other info that will come out and no one would have noticed.

When we speculated this happened it didn't seem realistic or real. But now that it is. I don't get this. i don't get BFF. I dont' get the R's. I really don't get KK or PF. It is beyond comprehension

 

[Esma]

Well there's no way to be 100% sure without a paternity test, but I'm inclined to believe if a man won't marry a woman because the baby isn't his, he probably isn't going to be caregiver to the baby and basically give everyone the impression she is his.

I’m sure a paternity test was done in this case no doubt. But we don’t know the answer for sure, nor what he would think about it. Could that be a reason for the non-marriage and her buying a townhome? At least we should consider it a possibility. There may have been issues we don’t know about. Perhaps her own family didn’t even know. Anything is possible. People just don’t go murdering people if they are normal.

 

[BingoBongo]

This case, as are many others, is so convoluted and full of mistakes in reporting, rumors on FB, etc.

Best, IMO, to let it sit until something reliable, provable, and valid comes from LE.

 

[dkryder]

Picking back up on the cell phone ping:
Either a cell phone that is turned off or a cell phone with a dead battery cannot communicate with the tower at all. Also, A call in progress can be tracked to the cell phone's location by electronic signal tracing. A call that is finished can only be tracked only by triangulation, which requires that it be similultaneously signed on with three or more cell towers when the call was made. The ping can be connected to a phone within a 32-27 mile radius of the tower, depending on variable conditions, but can usually only be triangulated to with a mile radius of the phone.
My limited understanding of this tells me that the ping most likely came from a vehicle travelling on US Highway 93 northeastward towards Arco. It's the only place in the radius that I can imagine ONLY pinging the Gooding tower. Further, this is some rugged countryside with a very sparse population.
Any cell phone experts have an opinion?

except i don't think it has been determined as fact that only the gooding tower was pinged, has it? i have only read LE states that it did ping that tower and LE has said nothing about any other tower ping activity.

 

[Love Never Fails]

They do need a warrant to get information from a carrier, but what a carrier can actually supply, varies.

I didn’t hear anything about “thousands of texts,” but it appears they have a great deal of evidence against him. I’m sure quite a bit of that is digital in nature.

Now I’m lost in my own words...Ha!....didn’t I read on this thread that LE said at the initial hearing they had thousands of texts? Maybe not. I will be more careful.

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

She didn't have to do this. It is confirmed BFF told the R's on Nov 26th KK was missing- not through FB.

Do you mean KB was missing? Or had KK gone AWOL by the 26th? It's getting confusing.

 

[Gardener1850]

No vague. BFF told the R's KB was missing on Nov 26, and she thought she saw a FB post.

I don't understand. How can you wait til dec 17 to report a murder. they knew. they are lawyers. They admitted they knew she was missing on nov 26, straight from their employee.

That's sure what it seems to say to me as well. The appearance is that they knew a woman was murdered and all they did was sternly tell their employee to tell her friend she better go to the cops. Then they simply took their employee's word for it that her friend said she did and she had a new phone number now.