CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #29 *ARREST*

[jaspermac]

I can't remember, are the R's wearing the same clothes in interview segments 1 and 2? If so, it was probably all filmed at the same time, which makes their inconsistent statements even stranger, IMO

Good point.

In interview 1 and 2 yes. They are wearing the same clothes.

There is another interview by Nikki Battiste, which would have been a different time- it addressed the threats, their love since highschool- not the timeline of knowing the plot to kill

 

[Deleted member 718]

I agree. But, your post leads us back to “robbery”. Her phone & purse went missing, so that is the”robbery” part, right?
You already know what I think........P had picked the baby up & was at the ranchette.

There's so many ways to look at this. Say, KK hopes to meet up with PF while she's in town. He says nope, I have the baby this weekend. KK then knows the coast is clear.

 

[GordianKnot]

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[Gunslinging Granny]

"Krystal was so scared, he was so angry that he said things that made Krystal think he had killed before.
Idaho couple shares more on why they went to authorities in Kelsey Berreth case

There is frequently a partial truth in the lies people tell. What's the partial truth in this statement?

 

[Trudie]

I agree completely. I think he came and got the baby in the early afternoon (under some pretense) so that she would not be present during the commission of this crime.

Which is why I think he was successful at soliciting someone to do this for him. I don't think he came back.

I agree. To the point he was not there.
After tomorrow’s docudrama with the R’s, I think we’ll have a clearer idea of the Queen turned nurse. Things will be “Krystal Clear”, maybe.
I don’t think the R’s “lie”. I think they are relaying info as given to them. I think that’s why their info seeems so ridiculous, the source. Wonder if they now regret speaking?

 

[Lhughessk]

When I saw that line that PF supposedly said to KK about "little girls going missing on the playground all the time"-- All I could think is that if he said that maybe he was referring to his own daughter?!? Maybe he had a longer term plan to eventually get rid of baby K too?

MOO.

That wouldn’t make sense. He was allegedly trying to coerce KK to murder someone for him. She had turned him down. So that was the threat he allegedly made in response - regarding her own child.

 

[Esma]

Do you literally mean canines? Sorry I’m over analyzing everything at this point. Lol. Also thank you for clarifying earlier that KB moved from ID to CO.

Yes, canines. PF sold cattle dogs in Idaho per records someone found. I ran across a photo on the web that was interesting. If PF’s dogs showed a DNA connection to the dogs in the pic, it would prove a connection that they at least had interacted at some point. Wish I would have saved it, because now I can’t find it! Even if I found it now, I couldn’t post it because of the people in it. And the news articles say WA to Colorado, but I swear there was a video of her mom saying she moved there in 2016 from Idaho for a good opportunity.

 

[NCTeacher]

Life for solicitation or for first degree murder? Two very different charges.

I assume not the solicitation, my understanding is the solicitation charge is usually, what, 15, 20, 30 years--something like that.

 

[Charlot123]

I found this article while looking for something else this evening. It’s about obsessive love. I wonder if KK was obsessed with PF? Anyway it’s an interesting article proving that even professional, successful people can do crazy things when obsessive love is present. Obsessed

Made snippets of case 1.

Patricia*, visual artist, is successfully married and has a 9-year-old son. She begins an affair with "Wolf". She does not leave her successful husband. After a year, Wolf breaks up with her. She waits for him at the marina. She writes fragments of a poem in nail polish on his boat. She steals things, including a sail, from the boat...He gets another GF. Patricia is jealous.
"At night, after her husband fell asleep, she snorted cocaine, got into her Jaguar, and sped 80 miles to confront Wolf. She parked out of earshot, tiptoed to his house, and urinated near his front door, "to make my mark," she says..."
(here she already earned a trip to a dual diagnosis unit - JMO).
She follows Wolf and GF to Lake Tahoe. She throws rocks at Wolf's cabin.
She runs in circles, yelling, beating on the doors and walls.
A friend of Wolf's girlfriend gets into his car to fetch the police. Patricia throws her body on the car hood and breaks the windshield with a stick.
She is summoned to court. Pays restoration fees.
Now she turns to her art to cope. She creates a sculpture for a feminist show. The sculpture includes a copy of Dante's Inferno, her police report, a photographic image of Wolf superimposed with a hyena face, and a railroad spike going through a flaccid cloth penis.
As if it is not enough, she takes her husband and son to the show's opening.

My question is, why the heck her husband tolerates it? After the police report, he has all the rights to divorce her and get the custody of the child.

And why didn't Wolf call the paramedics after she urinated under his door? It is a severe mental situation, and I suspect it was not the first time that cocaine was on board.

Instead here is what Wolf does:
"She repeatedly begged him to come back to her; from time to time he would spend a night or weekend with her."

Patricia is severely ill, not just obsessed. But why are guys around her enabling her behavior, illness and addiction?

 

[jaspermac]

"Krystal was so scared, he was so angry that he said things that made Krystal think he had killed before.
Idaho couple shares more on why they went to authorities in Kelsey Berreth case

There is frequently a partial truth in the lies people tell. What's the partial truth in this statement?

Her name was K.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

When I saw that line that PF supposedly said to KK about "little girls going missing on the playground all the time"-- All I could think is that if he said that maybe he was referring to his own daughter?!? Maybe he had a longer term plan to eventually get rid of baby K too?

MOO.

Yes! That's the partial truth inside the lie.

 

[Trudie]

Then why was he arrested?

My guess, his phone or other device has some incriminating data.

 

[NCTeacher]

"Krystal was so scared, he was so angry that he said things that made Krystal think he had killed before.
Idaho couple shares more on why they went to authorities in Kelsey Berreth case

There is frequently a partial truth in the lies people tell. What's the partial truth in this statement?

Hmmm... he was angry was probably true.

If I were told this by someone, I'd say: "well, if he's killed before, then why does he need you to do it for him this time?" Then I'd say, "Stay away from him and go to the police. Change your number and do not contact him again."

 

[Dave F.]

I agree completely. I think he came and got the baby in the early afternoon (under some pretense) so that she would not be present during the commission of this crime.

Which is why I think he was successful at soliciting someone to do this for him. I don't think he came back.

My opinion is that investigators recently canvassed every possible business on Highway 24 between the Safeway and the turnoff to Kb"s condo, looking for security camera footage of the road from November 22nd. The owner of the Sonic gave them 6 hours worth of video. The WP Sonic is currently closed, but he operates the Sonic on Academy Blvd in Colorado Springs, which is probably where KRDO caught up with him for the information. If you go online and read any of the the eatery reviews, it would be hard to believe ANYONE with a cell phone (to check them out) ever would stop. My guess is they just want proof of exactly when KB headed home.

 

[Herat]

I can't remember, are the R's wearing the same clothes in interview segments 1 and 2? If so, it was probably all filmed at the same time, which makes their inconsistent statements even stranger, IMO

I recall this is one interview that is released in three installments, not three separate interviews

 

[susiQ]

There's so many ways to look at this. Say, KK hopes to meet up with PF while she's in town. He says nope, I have the baby this weekend. KK then knows the coast is clear.

I still don't believe PF was supposed to have the baby. KB was off on a long weekend. Surely she wanted to spend it with baby K at home along with PF if we can believe they were still together. I can. However, I do believe she did more than just take the phone, although I'm not sure if she was there for the murder. MOO

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Made snippets of case 1.

Patricia*, visual artist, is successfully married and has a 9-year-old son. She begins an affair with "Wolf". She does not leave her successful husband. After a year, Wolf breaks up with her. She waits for him at the marina. She writes fragments of a poem in nail polish on his boat. She steals things, including a sail, from the boat...He gets another GF. Patricia is jealous.
"At night, after her husband fell asleep, she snorted cocaine, got into her Jaguar, and sped 80 miles to confront Wolf. She parked out of earshot, tiptoed to his house, and urinated near his front door, "to make my mark," she says..."
(here she already earned a trip to a dual diagnosis unit - JMO).
She follows Wolf and GF to Lake Tahoe. She throws rocks at Wolf's cabin.
She runs in circles, yelling, beating on the doors and walls.
A friend of Wolf's girlfriend gets into his car to fetch the police. Patricia throws her body on the car hood and breaks the windshield with a stick.
She is summoned to court. Pays restoration fees.
Now she turns to her art to cope. She creates a sculpture for a feminist show. The sculpture includes a copy of Dante's Inferno, her police report, a photographic image of Wolf superimposed with a hyena face, and a railroad spike going through a flaccid cloth penis.
As if it is not enough, she takes her husband and son to the show's opening.

My question is, why the heck her husband tolerates it? After the police report, he has all the rights to divorce her and get the custody of the child.

And why didn't Wolf call the paramedics after she urinated under his door? It is a severe mental situation, and I suspect it was not the first time that cocaine was on board.

Instead here is what Wolf does:
"She repeatedly begged him to come back to her; from time to time he would spend a night or weekend with her."

Patricia is severely ill, not just obsessed. But why are guys around her enabling her behavior, illness and addiction?

Why did Wolf occasionally sleep with her and fuel her obsession? Because he was a selfish pig and used her for sex. I really hope this isn't the case with KK, but it's possible.

 

[NCTeacher]

My opinion is that investigators recently canvassed every possible business on Highway 24 between the Safeway and the turnoff to Kb"s condo, looking for security camera footage of the road from November 22nd. The owner of the Sonic gave them 6 hours worth of video. The WP Sonic is currently closed, but he operates the Sonic on Academy Blvd in Colorado Springs, which is probably where KRDO caught up with him for the information. If you go online and read any of the the eatery reviews, it would be hard to believe ANYONE with a cell phone (to check them out) ever would stop. My guess is they just want proof of exactly when KB headed home.

The Sonic closed between Thanksgiving and now?

Odd.

 

[MsBetsy]

That wouldn’t make sense. He was allegedly trying to coerce KK to murder someone for him. She had turned him down. So that was the threat he allegedly made in response - regarding her own child.

Right, which is apparently why she was so scared. Imo

 

[Kapua]

Am I the only one who does NOT think that PR meant to state Nov. 26th as the date that she found out that there was a missing mother in CO? If you look at the bolded selection from the linked article, it seems that PR is indicating about a 2 week period between issuing her 24 hour ultimatum to KK (through friend) and finding out that KK in fact hadn't contacted LE. The date two weeks prior to Dec. 17th, is Dec. 3rd (NOT Nov. 27th). On Dec. 3rd, KB was officially listed as missing, so bulletins had been put out.

"On Nov. 27, Patty learned Krystal got a new phone number and was told Krystal had spoken with law enforcement."

“That’s what got reported back to me. That she had gone to the police. I didn’t know until almost two weeks later that she hadn’t.”

After this realization, Patty contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigations on Dec. 17 through the number that was posted at the bottom of Cheryl Berreth’s televised plea for help.

Part Two: Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

IMO, as silly as it sounds, I think this is just a case of someone not being able to look at a calendar and count back "a couple" of weeks correctly. We here at WS have timelines to refer back to. In general, we're sticklers for details. But maybe PR isn't. Specific dates may not be important in her world. This kind of mistake makes more sense to me than PR being made aware that KB was missing before her mother, LE and the public knew she was missing. It's crazy to me that someone wouldn't have clarified/corrected this important detail before now, but "crazy" seems to be a general theme regarding so much surrounding this case.

I do think that PR/JR should have the correct dates (Dec. 2nd/3rd vs. Nov. 26/27) fresh in their heads because I am certain that LE would have wanted them to verify specific dates when relaying the information contained in their statements. But, IMO, these two are odd ducks and flaky. Maybe they aren't good at fact checking their own statements in interviews/news statements.

Again, the main thing I'm focusing on was Patty's mention of almost "2 weeks" in the transcribed portion of the interview. On Dec. 17th there is record of what she did (contact LE). So, 2 weeks prior to that would be Dec. 3rd.

Hope I'm making sense here.

MOO

ETA - Despite this post, honestly, I'm not even that concerned about this whole date mix-up thing, because I think the whole thing (interview/"story") sounds shady anyway. I'm confident that LE can sort out these kinds of details.

I'm with you. I think the Rs got the dates wrong. And other than that, there's not a lot of bombshell information in it anyway, IMHO.

 

[jewelsmac]

Legally it won’t matter. They’d both be looking at first degree murder if he asked KK to kill Kelsey, and she complied.

I don’t think that’s the case though, as if KK was that directly involved, she’s be charged by now.

Yes, there just has be a reason that LE doesn't have her behinds bars at the moment..I have zero clue what that reason is...but there has to be one.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

People who solicit murder are charged and convicted of 1st degree murder. I don't think I can think of any case where someone who solicited murder was charged with anything other than 1st degree...

IANAL and was under the impression these are charges for 2 different things- physically killing someone vs hiring someone to do it. Though you might be right. I know the felony murder charge, you don’t have to physically be there, just partake in acts so inherently dangerous (robbery here) that lead to a death. MOO