CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #29 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

"Krystal was so scared, he was so angry that he said things that made Krystal think he had killed before.
Idaho couple shares more on why they went to authorities in Kelsey Berreth case

There is frequently a partial truth in the lies people tell. What's the partial truth in this statement?

BBM Isn't that the truth! This takes me WAY back to that first DM article where the boyfriend of a previous gf of PF said he cheated on her while she was in hospital. Wouldn't it be nice if SHE spoke to the media, so we could get a better picture of who he is. We KNOW he's a cheater, but what else does she know about him? Can't wait for that to hit the waves

 

[Trudie]

I still don't believe PF was supposed to have the baby. KB was off on a long weekend. Surely she wanted to spend it with baby K at home along with PF if we can believe they were still together. I can. However, I do believe she did more than just take the phone, although I'm not sure if she was there for the murder. MOO

i don’t find it unusual at all that KB may have wanted alone time. It’s not like the baby was going to daycare. Plus, KB had three more days off. Baby K didn’t know it was a holiday. Being her first Thanksgiving, KB may have wanted her to be with the F’s, if they we’re having a traditional T-giving. Maybe P had family in that hadn’t seen the baby, etc., every young, single mom I know loves ac”free” day. Omg, they can get 3 days work done in two hours w/o a toddler to tend to.

 

[jewelsmac]

I completely agree! This case is so convoluted. Seems every other day some crazy thing comes out. I just don't believe that KL is all that innocent. It's possible she is just that naïve when it comes to PF, but I just can't jump on that train. MOO, she needs to be charged with a few crimes. Aiding and abetting, conspiracy, withholding information, destroying/concealing evidence, etc.

I would also think that her BFF could testify against her for immunity for what KL told her. She sure seems to know a lot about the situation from early on.

It is crazy...if I was reading this novel I would be thinking "not bloody likely"

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, there just has be a reason that LE doesn't have her behinds bars at the moment..I have zero clue what that reason is...but there has to be one.

I think one of two things is possible:

Her involvement is as being an accessory after the fact, and she has cut a deal.

They are still exploring the nature and extent of her involvement.

 

[jaspermac]

Don't think we are supposed to be mentioning anything about KK's family and possible children. Against board rules

 

[Sweetsbeach]

I’ve found no reports indicating he was ever charged with child abuse.
I also don’t know what he’s guilty of.
KB evidently was confident the baby was safe with him.
So MOO & I respect yours.

But he wasn't a good dad...I know you want him to be innocent...But he solicited his girlfriend to kill the mother of his child, and then followed to make sure that happened. He had no consideration of how that would impact his daughter for the rest of her life. This is because he has a limited ability to empathize. He loves his daughter like he loves his arm. She's just an extension to him. Her needs clearly did not matter to him.

He is NOT innocent. He lied to CB saying that KB was going to visit her grandma...Can you imagine how awful that would have been for CB to hear when the last time she spoke to KB she said she had tentative dinner plans with PF? Poor CB's stomach must have dropped. And PF never reported KB missing. He didn't go to the press conference to support finding KB and he didnt allow the Berreth's access to their granddaughter when they were going through one of the most traumatic time of their life.

“The most important thing a father can do for his children is to love their mother”.
So no...PF didn't adore his daughter.

 

[Trudie]

And in all seriousness, did BFF Michelle really believe this crapola? First KK says KB is crazy and could hurt her child and then says PF is scary and would abduct/hurt KK's child. Come on, really.

Makes me wonder if PF/KB told KK she was the crazy one, based on obsession. Speculating, everyone.

I keep adding 2 + 2 and getting 3! 3 in a relationship that could only accommodate 2.

Jmo

 

[Artis]

I think the reason they weren't married is because he had other girlfriends and issues.

I'm gonna bet he never had any intentions of leaving the ranch and that once Kelsey understood that, the relationship became not much more than who gets baby K on what days. Notice that Kelsey had no plans to spend Thanksgiving out there. If they were really "engaged", they would have had together plans.

I hate that he's called her "fiance". From what I recall, her mom said they had a loving relationship; her aunt said they broke up on Thanksgiving (and CB asked her to delete that FB post) and someone else said PF claimed they hadn't been a couple for a year. What's true? Not having plans with your "fiance" and child on Thanksgiving makes me inclined to believe their relationship was no longer romantic.

 

[jewelsmac]

Thank you for that info, in all the convoluted mess, I missed that.

Still, I'm not convinced he did the dirty work. People who solicit, do so because they want to avoid the dirty work. My hunch is, he found someone willing to do it.

Which leads me to question the whole aspect of KK reportedly saying she thinks he has killed before. I have a hard time believing someone who once killed, would have qualms about doing the dirty work and instead try to solicit.

Unless....they find someone who is devoted to them that they don't mind throwing under the bus. Still, I don't think she did the actual killing. JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

"Krystal was so scared, he was so angry that he said things that made Krystal think he had killed before.
Idaho couple shares more on why they went to authorities in Kelsey Berreth case

There is frequently a partial truth in the lies people tell. What's the partial truth in this statement?

1. I believe PF gets angry easily. The flash in his eyes and his body language when he told the reporter "this is private property, this is a private road" told me all I needed to know.

2. I also believe KK was scared-- but maybe not of PF. Maybe she was scared of getting caught helping him so she declined to be directly involved in the murder but agreed to help dispose of the phone?

3. I believe PF has killed and disposed of animal remains before. It's part of living on a ranch. He would likely have knowledge of things like using lye, how to skin an animal and cut up flesh and bones--normal knowledge for a hunter or farmer to have in the context of preparing animal meat for food. Super creepy and sickening if he talked about his knowledge in the context of murdering a human. PF also has access to a forge and he could have tested out incinerating animal remains in that first. In short, the "said things that made K think he had killed before" part makes me think he laid out his plan to KK for the disposal of KB's body.

MOO.

 

[GordianKnot]

I think one of two things is possible:

Her involvement is as being an accessory after the fact, and she has cut a deal.

They are still exploring the nature and extent of her involvement.

I think one of one things is possible. (*See bolded text).

 

[Dave F.]

My guess, his phone or other device has some incriminating data.

He was arrested because they had an affadavit stating probable cause, that the judge accepted. KIt doesn't mean they can prove ANYTHING at this point. Here is an example of what happens:
In July 2018, Jacqueline Souza of Colorado Springs was arrested in the stabbing death of her live-in fiance Brandon Watkins. Although the evidence was clearly supportive of her claim of self-defense, her story changed several times in the immediate aftermath of the stabbing. Souza was incarcerated until October 20 (3 full months) before charges were dropped because the investigation could not produce enough evidence to attempt prosecution for murder. The case remains open as a homicide, in case any information that would further implicate Ms. Souza is discovered.
Let me sum it up. The exact same prosecutors that are handling this case held this woman in jail without bond for three full months before they dropped the charges because THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE of the charge. They can prove why they don't like her, and if we saw their proof, we probably wouldn't like her either. In fact, a jury would probably convict her of being a dislikable lady, but that wasn't the basis of the affidavit.

 

[Trudie]

But he wasn't a good dad...I know you want him to be innocent...But he solicited his girlfriend to kill the mother of his child, and then followed to make sure that happened. He had no consideration of how that would impact his daughter for the rest of her life. This is because he has a limited ability to empathize. He loves his daughter like he loves his arm. She's just an extension to him. Her needs clearly did not matter to him.

He is NOT innocent. He lied to CB saying that KB was going to visit her grandma...Can you imagine how awful that would have been for CB to hear when the last time she spoke to KB she said she had tentative dinner plans with PF? Poor CB's stomach must have dropped. And PF never reported KB missing. He didn't go to the press conference to support finding KB and he didnt allow the Berreth's access to their granddaughter when they were going through one of the most traumatic time of their life.

“The most important thing a father can do for his children is to love their mother”.
So no...PF didn't adore his daughter.

Look, I do NOT want him innocent if he’s guilty.
IMO, he told CB what his text from KB’s phone told him.
His lawyer did not want him out & about at vigils, pressers, etc., imo. His appearance would not have changed ONE thing, imo.
So, he has no feelings for Baby K but killed CB to get FT custody?
Okay.
Iirc, the baby was in excellent condition when turned over to B’s/state. I’ve heard nothing to indicate the baby was injured, lived in deplorable conditions, starved or otherwise harmed.
Jmo

 

[GordianKnot]

1. I believe PF gets angry easily. The flash in his eyes and his body language when he told the reporter "this is private property, this is a private road" told me all I needed to know.

2. I also believe KK was scared-- but maybe not of PF. Maybe she was scared of getting caught helping him so she declined to be directly involved in the murder but agreed to help dispose of the phone?

3. I believe PF has killed and disposed of animal remains before. It's part of living on a ranch. He would likely have knowledge of things like using lye, how to skin an animal and cut up flesh and bones--normal knowledge for a hunter or farmer to have in the context of preparing animal meat for food. Super creepy and sickening if he talked about his knowledge in the context of murdering a human. PF also has access to a forge and he could have tested out incinerating animal remains in that first. In short, the "said things that made K think he had killed before" part makes me think he laid out his plan to KK for the disposal of KB's body.

MOO.

BBM: Gardener, I completely missed this info...where is the forge? TIA!
*ETA: Has it been searched, do you know?

 

[susiQ]

i don’t find it unusual at all that KB may have wanted alone time. It’s not like the baby was going to daycare. Plus, KB had three more days off. Baby K didn’t know it was a holiday. Being her first Thanksgiving, KB may have wanted her to be with the F’s, if they we’re having a traditional T-giving. Maybe P had family in that hadn’t seen the baby, etc., every young, single mom I know loves ac”free” day. Omg, they can get 3 days work done in two hours w/o a toddler to tend to.

I agree. It is also a possibility.

 

[Kapua]

Then why was he arrested?

We will know the answer to this question when the DA presents the evidence that LE has gathered at PF's trial.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

Look, I do NOT want him innocent if he’s guilty.
IMO, he told CB what his text from KB’s phone told him.
His lawyer did not want him out & about at vigils, pressers, etc., imo. His appearance would not have changed ONE thing, imo.
So, he has no feelings for Baby K but killed CB to get FT custody?
Okay.
Iirc, the baby was in excellent condition when turned over to B’s/state. I’ve heard nothing to indicate the baby was injured, lived in deplorable conditions, starved or otherwise harmed.
Jmo

It's all about control for him IMO Trudie. And let me tell you...Narcs can be perfectly fine with their kids when they are babies...as soon as little K got old enough to defy him, watch out. Thank God she is right where she belongs.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

And in all seriousness, did BFF Michelle really believe this crapola? First KK says KB is crazy and could hurt her child and then says PF is scary and would abduct/hurt KK's child. Come on, really.

I'm so confused that this may not make sense, but since KK said KB was crazy and could hurt her child, then had PF is scary and he could hurt KKs kids, could this be where PF solicitation for murder came from and why he's saying he's being railroaded? Meaning....KK is obsessed with PF and is willing to do anything for him. Could she have been so obsessed and b*tched at him about KB so much, that off the cuff PF repeated numerous times, "Then kill her!"
MOO, MOO

 

[Trudie]

He was arrested because they had an affadavit stating probable cause, that the judge accepted. KIt doesn't mean they can prove ANYTHING at this point. Here is an example of what happens:
In July 2018, Jacqueline Souza of Colorado Springs was arrested in the stabbing death of her live-in fiance Brandon Watkins. Although the evidence was clearly supportive of her claim of self-defense, her story changed several times in the immediate aftermath of the stabbing. Souza was incarcerated until October 20 (3 full months) before charges were dropped because the investigation could not produce enough evidence to attempt prosecution for murder. The case remains open as a homicide, in case any information that would further implicate Ms. Souza is discovered.
Let me sum it up. The exact same prosecutors that are handling this case held this woman in jail without bond for three full months before they dropped the charges because THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE of the charge. They can prove why they don't like her, and if we saw their proof, we probably wouldn't like her either. In fact, a jury would probably convict her of being a dislikable lady, but that wasn't the basis of the affidavit.

Dave, I get it. I feel like a lone wolf.
Briefly, in my town, population 100k, a 43 yo son of very wealthy elderly parents was accused of murdering them, to inherit. He was already a millionaire, living a simple life.
He didn’t appear to need money. Blah, blah. He was held on county lock up three years. Headlines were awful in local paper. He never talked. Guess what? 3 years later, a FULL confession from the real killer. A transient.
Yet, the GJ indicted the son based on evidence presented.
Just sayin......

 

[Esma]

We will know the answer to this question when the DA presents the evidence that LE has gathered at PF's trial.

Hopefully not 5 years from now..