CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[Curiousobserver]

Agreed. Although it explains the ping in Gooding, Idaho...it makes a ton of assumptions to do so and requires a level of thought and planning that is frankly kinda frightening. The ping may or may not be a red herring, but it looms there as a curiousity. I’d be hard pressed to think that she went three entire days without contacting anyone at all before sending off a couple of texts in Idaho and then going radio silent again. It stinks of a cover up and a poorly executed one at that. Certainly not one with the level of thinking that the FedEx scenario would have to have.

Make a great spy novel twist though- its very creative, love it

 

[1mtroyal]

There are also towers located South of Gooding, ID, as well that I was looking at.

Google Maps Tower

I keep thinking about that small, Gooding Airport and its proximity to the towers. A plane flying low enough offers access to cell towers from what I've read. Would it be possible that it did not ping since it was too high in the air, but did, once it got low enough...say near the Gooding Airport?

They must have some idea if the cell phone was located in a vehicle on the highway or a building (Post office)

 

[cspringer805]

There's no scientific evidence that positive thinking can effect an action or outcome(health yes) but I've held positive attitudes in previous missing persons case I've followed, and I'm not saying because "I knew they would come home" they did come home, but they have. I have a strong feeling Kelsey will come home as soon as she is able to. Something or someone may have control over her now but she'll return! In CA(my stat, e) in 2016, there was a case of a woman who went missing under strange circumstances and was found almost a month later. The woman was Sherri Papini; feel free to research it but there is a lot of tabloid media about it so proceed with caution. Anyway, the story was strange(like this one) but she came back! I have faith Kelsey will too.

 

[moreofless]

If KB's phone was mailed or shipped to Idaho, I doubt it travelled by truck. USPS ships in the cargo of commercial airliners and freight planes, and FedEx has their own planes.

If someone else had possession of KB's phone, posters have explained upthread about prescheduling texts. Thursday 22nd was Thanksgiving, so no shipping. Someone could fully charge the battery, schedule the texts for Sunday 25th. On Friday the 23rd simply ship the phone to Idaho from Colorado Springs with guaranteed delivery overnight or 2-day. The phone battery should last 48 hours if it is just left on and not doing anything - Friday 23rd to Sunday 25th.

Then the phone battery dies by Monday 26th in the package with a likely undeliverable Idaho address. It's in a warehouse somewhere, or even returned to sender, which may or may not be a real address in Colorado. Someone could effectively ship it to themself and who would know.

The only problem with this scenario is even if the phone did not ping in the air (phones did work in planes on 9/11), it would have pinged as soon as it got on the ground and would have kept pinging until the battery died.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, well..... no.
My virtual $$$ says he will not show up.
He ignored reporters who tried politely to speak with him ... he's not going to face even more people who might have questions.

He could very well be totally innocent and have no clue as to what's happened to Kelsey.
But his actions speak loudly.

His actions reflect arrogance. JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

Am trying to thing of others who hired lawyers and later were completely cleared...anyone? But, that said...we do not know why he PK went to see a lawyer, do we? Could it be custody or has lawyer said otherwise?

The lawyer he retained is a criminal defense attorney: Colorado Springs Criminal Defense Lawyer | Jeremy Loew

 

[1mtroyal]

I wouldn't bother asking Patrick's attorney why Patrick was so angry with the reporters. He would probably say Patrick was really upset that he hadn't seen his girlfriend in several weeks.

 

[mistivon]

I think the ping was a giant mistake a la CW neighbor home video and someone is scared. Just not sure why there

 

[adb1025]

His actions reflect arrogance. JMO

I would say indifference. But there is a lot that remains unknown and I concede that. But the only concern he’s shown so far is for media to get off of his property.

 

[iluvmua]

Even

Oh my gosh I just had a major a-ha, maybe a “duh”, about the oddities in this case. I haven’t been following this thread in every detail, so forgive me if someone has already said this. But what I just realized is that maybe they don’t have enough evidence to charge the fiancé however the fiancé, who they may believe is a murderer, has possession of the daughter. Law enforcemeant and her mother maybe biting their tongue and not revealing any details that could trigger him and caused him to harm the child! That’s why she’s not acting upset about not seeing the baby, why she doesn’t strongly confirm they for sure had dinner plans, why she’s being careful not to say anything negative about him and maybe why she’s trying to not act emotional???

Considering that he has the child and is taking care of her, it's safe to say she is not in any danger.

If the police had any inkling that she was, im sure they would remove her.

Jmo

 

[allboys]

Oh my gosh I just had a major a-ha, maybe a “duh”, about the oddities in this case. I haven’t been following this thread in every detail, so forgive me if someone has already said this. But what I just realized is that maybe they don’t have enough evidence to charge the fiancé however the fiancé, who they may believe is a murderer, has possession of the daughter. Law enforcemeant and her mother maybe biting their tongue and not revealing any details that could trigger him and caused him to harm the child! That’s why she’s not acting upset about not seeing the baby, why she doesn’t strongly confirm they for sure had dinner plans, why she’s being careful not to say anything negative about him and maybe why she’s trying to not act emotional???

Yes, so much of this case reminds me of the Susan Powell case. And how that ended, could have an affect on how this case is being handled. Obviously, I HOPE there is nothing similar about these two cases. MOO.

 

[moreofless]

Agreed. Although it explains the ping in Gooding, Idaho...it makes a ton of assumptions to do so and requires a level of thought and planning that is frankly kinda frightening. The ping may or may not be a red herring, but it looms there as a curiousity. I’d be hard pressed to think that she went three entire days without contacting anyone at all before sending off a couple of texts in Idaho and then going radio silent again. It stinks of a cover up and a poorly executed one at that. Certainly not one with the level of thinking that the FedEx scenario would have to have.

It doesn't work because there would have been more than one ping in Gooding.

 

[oviedo]

Kelsey’s mom called woodland park police on Sunday Nov 25 and asked for a welfare check. Woodland park police did not mention this Nov 25th call in their press conference but that doesn’t negate the fact that it was made as has been reported in multiple articles.

We don’t know why woodland park police did not file a missing person report on Nov 25 after not finding Cheryl during the welfare check. One guess is that Kelsey’s mom knew about the text message Kelsy sent to her fiancé that same day and perhaps she passed that info to the police.

From link: Cheryl Berreth, Berreth’s mom, called police on Nov. 25. Officers conducted a welfare check at her home and she, along with her purse, were missing.

Link: New information released on case of missing mother whose phone was last pinged in Idaho

I wonder if this story is accurate - I thought the earlier timeline was December 2 for the Mom to call LE? If she called 11/25 (Sunday) - and they did a welfare check and she was not there - something must have made them think nothing was amiss. Perhaps the text messages? If so, they did what they were designed to do if KB did not send them - buy time. Another week!

 

[adb1025]

I wouldn't bother asking Patrick's attorney why Patrick was so angry with the reporters. He would probably say Patrick was really upset that he hadn't seen his girlfriend in several weeks.

Yes. But not upset enough to report her missing. Or to even raise the alarm to family. Unless those texts yield some insight it’s going to be hard to explain away the silence from PF between 11/22 and 12/2

 

[Hatfield]

There are also towers located South of Gooding, ID, as well that I was looking at.

Google Maps Tower

I keep thinking about that small, Gooding Airport and its proximity to the towers. A plane flying low enough offers access to cell towers from what I've read. Would it be possible that it did not ping since it was too high in the air, but did, once it got low enough...say near the Gooding Airport?

JMO
Good thinking and I believe that is possible.
Because other than driving or shipping a turned off phone to Idaho and then someone turning it on in Idaho when the phone got there, then another way it could happen is by having the phone on in an airplane could explain the ping as soon as it hit the range of the cell service tower in Gooding Iowa.

It may have even been a mistake made by the perp not realizing the phone was still on if he was landing in Gooding.

Hmmmmm. LE did make it sound like it was kind of a freak ping so to me the airplane theory is a viable theory as well.

 

[Celt1997]

It would be interesting to know if any planes flew from Doss Aviation to Gooding, ID between Nov. 22 and Nov. 25.

I can only see flight history back to December 1 for Gooding, ID, and there have only been 6 flights recorded since that time. It is not a heavily used airport. That being said, I don't know if it would be possible for someone to skip between 2 small airports without having to file anything for it to be traced.

 

[JKathryn]

Just curious, and I really couldn't tell in the video of PF outside the attorney's office if he had the baby with him. Hopefully his mother is not so disabled that she can't watch the child. As a mom of little ones, I have so much concern for the baby.

 

[1mtroyal]

The lawyer he retained is a criminal defense attorney: Colorado Springs Criminal Defense Lawyer | Jeremy Loew

Can someone find out what his record is, how many he has won and how many he has lost?

 

[alucardsdream]

I wouldn't bother asking Patrick's attorney why Patrick was so angry with the reporters. He would probably say Patrick was really upset that he hadn't seen his girlfriend in several weeks.

Just to play devil's advocate, it is possible that PF has absolutely nothing to do with KB's disappearance, but that he has a girlfriend on the side that he's afraid the media will find out about. Lots of men (and women) have affairs, and most of the time their spouses don't end up missing. I'm not saying that's what I believe, but stranger things have happened.

 

[Steelslady]

The only problem with this scenario is even if the phone did not ping in the air (phones did work in planes on 9/11), it would have pinged as soon as it got on the ground and would have kept pinging until the battery died.