CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[Stunned]

The 'ranch' is 35 acres.

Sorry, not much of a ranch.

 

[Steelslady]

I know what that says to me. It says that KB did not plan to be away for long.

Or at all.......

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I'm trying to think of reasonable "if-then" scenarios that make sense. I.e. if we try to develop a reasonable explanation for the little information we have, what other possibilities become more likely?

For example...

If we make the following assumptions...
She called her mom for a recipe
She purchased those ingredients
When she left, she took very little with her and left cinnamon rolls out

Reasonable possible scenario:
She was making a dish for a holiday gathering, but was interrupted mid-task

Then...I tend to think...
The most likely person to interrupt might be her fiancé who changed plans on her last minute.
A neighbor or nearby local would have the easiest access, plus the ability to notice she was home alone in a perhaps otherwise empty neighborhood.
If she had another side-relationship or new love interest, they may have stopped by and wanted her attention

If we assume she left suddenly, then I think...
There wasn't signs of obvious struggle, so the person likely knew her.
The person likely had a reasonable explanation for why they needed her to go with them.
The person likely had a vehicle she got into willingly.
She didn't intend to be gone long.

Also...
She may have become upset by some unknown factor and interrupted her own task
And, if so, since her car wasn’t gone, she may have left for a walk or called for a ride from a friend or car service.

I can think of alternatives, but would love to hear what other scenarios you can spin.

 

[Jennifer17]

Sorry, not much of a ranch.

That was my point.

 

[borndem]

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Before my family got cut off, I frequently told them one thing even if it wasn't accurate. Doesn't mean much.

KB could have told PF one thing, told CB another thing, and who knows what the right answer was.

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[Mountain Misst]

IMO, If Kelsey was still on her feet when she sent the text 5:13pm, 25 November and if the location was indeed Gooding, Idaho for the phone pings is accurate, then I'd be focusing in that area.

Questions I'd be asking:
Was her flight bag missing from home?
Who may she have hitched a ride in a plane with on 22 November?
Flight plans logged into GNG - have they been checked over the 3day period?
etc etc

 

[otto]

Why don't you believe CB when she says that KB and PF had a good relationship and that, "They're loving."?

I have problems believing that for two reasons. First, most loving parents of a one year old child are so excited about every new change in their child's life that neither wants to miss a minute of those weekly changes, so they live together. Secondly, parents in a loving relationship don't go 10 days without speaking to each other.

I'm sure they had a functional relationship for the sake of their daughter, but I don't see anything to suggest that it was more than functional.

 

[Gardener1850]

Can anyone think of a case where someone disappeared voluntarily due to mental illness but also made an effort to text her place of employment to say she wouldn't be in for a week and text her significant other? I can't think of one. All the cases I know of where someone walked away willingly or committed suicide they acted like nothing was wrong and then just disappeared. They usually don't bother to cancel future plans or give a time line of when they might be back (1 week). Because once they have decided to do what they are going to do nothing else matters. And it always leave a wake of "whys" on the part of loved ones because there was no goodbye, no closure. Suicide notes are actually very rare. And I think most people who struggle with depression do not want to give anyone an impression something is wrong or leave any breadcrumbs like that type of text would leave. JMO.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I don't think this was a spontaneous thing. She is a pretty girl who wears makeup, yet she left without her cosmetics. A minor thing to some, but a lot of girls her age would never be seen outside without their 'face on'.

 

[Steelslady]

No disrespect to the mom but it would have been wise to not say that, imo. Of course people are going to try and figure out what happened, we can't help ourselves. None of us know what she knows, it's obvious she's satisfied with that but I do think it isn't helpful to make a statement like that.

Or it could be that she is worried about folks looking for her and possibly endangering themselves. Or perhaps she's worried that if people sleuth or go after her fiance and harass and heckle him, or that someone might try to do harm to him or the baby, if this is her line of thinking. I don't know, but that comment has me scratching my head.

 

[toevlugsoord]

I wonder if this is similar to that mom Jennifer in Oregon who seemed put together, had a family, but basically disappeared and suffocated herself in her car. I sure hope not, but it kind of reminds me of that except for the "not reporting for 10 days" and the pings on a phone elsewhere.

 

[cluciano63]

Where was the text about work from, I wonder? Geographically. Have they said?

 

[GHgal]

Anyone else find it disconcerting that there appeared to be no family or friends present at the vigil?

 

[liltexans]

I always have a problem finding the media thread. Is there a secret to finding it?

I added the link to the opening post of this thread so it should get carried over when we start a new thread. Thank you for pointing out that it wasn't linked at the beginning of the thread.

 

[GoJacks]

Anyone else find it disconcerting that there appeared to be no family or friends present at the vigil?

spotted her mom on the live stream. Not sure what her brother even looks like, so no idea about him. Def didn't see the fiance....

 

[borndem]

Something bothers me about the report that KB texted her workplace to tell them she would be off for a week. Who does that? Anywhere I have worked, you better give them a direct call or you are out of a job. I do not believe she personally texted anyone.

The "off for a week" from work has worried me, too, since the beginning of this case. Unless she told them that she was to have surgery or some medical or "personal problems" thing, I find the text hard to believe, since -- I assume -- it was supposed to be her official notification to her employer/company.
And then she remains away after that week. No word, as far as we know from her to work -- right? Or did I miss something?
Every day, I feel more and more concerned that she may be or was in big trouble. But, as we often say and hope, maybe we'll be wrong to worry on this one. Good things do happen.

I just saw this, and please forgive if it's a repeat:
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Police Release Video of the Last Time Missing Colorado Mom Was Seen Before She Disappeared
The Woodland Park Police Department has released footage of the last time missing Colorado mother Kelsey Berreth was seen before her disappearance.
[...]
ABC News reports that Berreth’s family members described her as “grounded” and “responsible” and say she wouldn’t abandon her daughter.
[...]
“I just want her to come home,” her brother-in-law, Brendan Kindle, told the outlet. “I find myself calling her quite often and her phone just goes to voicemail.”
Berreth’s mother expressed similar sentiments in the news conference Monday. “Kelsey, we just want you home. Call us if you can we won’t quit looking.”
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Police Release Video of the Last Time Missing Colorado Mom Was Seen Before She Disappeared

 

[Kapua]

It does kinda sound like she decided to clear her head and go off somewhere.

Jmo

Without her car? Or with someone else? Or?

 

[retiredrickyinCO]

The 'ranch' is 35 acres.

Thank you!

Where I live all of us live on multiple acre parcels (5-40 acres), like myself, but it is certainly not a ranch. In fact most wouldn't even call 35 acres a ranch. 35 acres is only about 1200 feet on each side if it was a square so less than a quarter of a mile on each side in length or about 4 football fields in length on each side. No, we are not talking the Ponderosa here. Virtually all of my neighbors have horses and nobody calls their places ranches. So if it is 35 acres we are not talking big time money like the ranch John Mcafee owned in or around Woodland Park. Now if that 35 acres was downtown Denver...

 

[bestill]

I have problems believing that for two reasons. First, most loving parents of a one year old child are so excited about every new change in their child's life that neither wants to miss a minute of those weekly changes, so they live together. Secondly, parents in a loving relationship don't go 10 days without speaking to each other.

I'm sure they had a functional relationship for the sake of their daughter, but I don't see anything to suggest that it was more than functional.

And I don't believe either would be willing to miss spending a holiday with the baby, it's all about making memories.

 

[sun16]

I have career where I deal with people professionally but I have very few close friends (purposely). Because my clients depend on me it would be difficult to disappear but if they weren't in my life I believe I could do it easily except for my family. My fiance would be the first to notice and so would my family, who all live within an hour. I don't have children. I know I could never check out a few days or a week with them not noticing, in fact a few years ago a family member died and I didn't answer the midnight call about it, my sister was on my door step the next morning. I simply had my phone on silent. The fact that Kelsey could disappear for a 10 days before she was reported missing would absolutely eat me alive if I were her relative. JMO

I understand this post of yours and wanted to tell you (not just like it). I didn’t want to DM you as that felt creepy.