CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[Jennifer17]

Ok...just noticing.. Do you know why mom didn't report her missing sooner? Were mother and daughter close?

We don't know what he told her mother when she contacted him, but when she kept trying to contact her daughter she rang the police.

 

[moonlessnight]

Due to HIPPA laws the institution cannot verify if someone is a patient without a consent from the patient unless the patient has been involuntarily detained.

Yes, but I am pretty sure if your family and LE thought that you were missing, the facility would have contacted LE and told them that you were there and safe.

 

[LietKynes]

His lawyer will release a statement tomorrow as to why he wasn’t at the vigil.

“I advised him not to attend....."

Snipped for brevity

Still, what lousy advice.


I mean really , how would a grief stricken father of this baby and fiance of Kelsey impede a vigil by just appearing ? More like give some comfort to worried people.
Not to mention Kelsey's mother.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

" Mourning"? Strange choice of word...

Yeah right, because any lawyer worth his or her reputation will advise a client to pleade the 5th amendment. That way, they can't be screwed at a later date with an obstruction of justice charge for impeding an investigation.

 

[Dtsnyder2000]

Emph. Mine

Wait, what ???

I'm questioning the words of his lawyer and maybe PF.
What strange wording.

WHAT "Mourning" ?? She hasn't been declared deceased, and LE haven't even stated a possible abduction.
One doesn't mourn when a person could possibly be missing of their own volition.
How would a grief stricken father of this baby and fiance of Kelsey impede a vigil by just appearing ? More like give some comfort to worried people.
Not to mention Kelsey's mother.

By any chance did they mean "morning"?

 

[Jennifer17]

Due to HIPPA laws the institution cannot verify if someone is a patient without a consent from the patient unless the patient has been involuntarily detained.

I am not sure that that would apply to LE when there was a nation wide search for a missing person.

 

[Seattle1]

Ok...just noticing.. Do you know why mom didn't report her missing sooner? Were mother and daughter close?

Reportedly, Cheryl and KB last talked on Thanksgiving day. I've no doubt that Cheryl was burning up KB's phone ever since with no avail. Reportedly, it was after CB talked with PF on 12/2 and he told her he had no contact with KB since a 11/25 text message, CB immediately contacted LE for welfare check on her daughter. She filed missing report the same date. IMO, she filed report as soon as she had confirmation her daughter had not been seen and/or in contact with anybody known to her since 11/25.

 

[MassGuy]

Emph. Mine

Wait, what ???

I'm questioning the words of his lawyer and maybe PF.
What strange wording.

WHAT "Mourning" ?? She hasn't been declared deceased, and LE haven't even stated a possible abduction.
One doesn't mourn when a person could possibly be missing of their own volition.
How would a grief stricken father of this baby and fiance of Kelsey impede a vigil by just appearing ? More like give some comfort to worried people.
Not to mention Kelsey's mother.

I was making a joke about what the lawyer might say. I should have substituted another word for mourning.

This is not an actual quote.

 

[alucardsdream]

I am not sure that that would apply to LE when there was a nation wide search for a missing person.

They can tell law enforcement, but they can't tell anyone else (friends, family, news media, etc.) without informed consent on the part of the patient.

 

[Jennifer17]

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[alucardsdream]

I was making a joke about what the lawyer might say. I should have substituted another word for mourning.

This is not an actual quote.

Well, if I read that quote in any newspapers tomorrow, we'll know that the media is lurking in here...

 

[Steelslady]

Woodland Hills police need an eyewitness to something hinky regarding Patrick Frazee, so they can get a judge to sign a search warrant for the vehicles and mini ranch.
Come on, Safeway shoppers! Call the police!

The thing is, we don't know if he was at Safeway. We don't even know if they met somewhere in between their homes, at his place, at hers, or Safeway. They aren't saying where the meet up occurred.

 

[LietKynes]

I was making a joke about what the lawyer might say. I should have substituted another word for mourning.

This is not an actual quote.

Ohhhh... O.k.
Had me wondering for a moment !

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

I am not sure that that would apply to LE when there was a nation wide search for a missing person.

HIPPA does not come into play when we have a Nationwide case with the FBI involved. Just imagine how embarrassing it would be to the National news and the FBI if this were just another run away or someone with mental issues or God forbid a drug abuse problem. Cases that go this viral are checked and rechecked for validity!

 

[Jethro4WS]

The police would just announce that she is safe and nothing else. HIPPA would not be breached in a case such as this.

The question I have is, lets say hypothetically a missing person is in-patient somewhere, can such a facility call up law enforcement and say, "Hey, we saw on the news you are looking for so-and-so, and that person is a patient in our facility" or would law enforcement have to reach out to each of the facilities and ask specifically?

 

[MassGuy]

Oh God, what have I done.

This is like the “yellow bike” analogy I made in the Jayme Closs thread.

I should know better.

I was mocking the lawyer when he talked about the fiancé not speaking to the media because he didn’t want to “impede the investigation.”

One bad joke and I have to make 3 posts to correct it. My bad.

Quick, someone bring up cinnamon buns again.

 

[Jennifer17]

They can tell law enforcement, but they can't tell anyone else (friends, family, news media, etc.) without informed consent on the part of the patient.

Yes. As I thought and LE cannot tell of their whereabouts, just that they have been located safe.

 

[LietKynes]

Well, if I read that quote in any newspapers tomorrow, we'll know that the media is lurking in here...

It wouldn't surprise me.
Who knows where they get their information ? Heh, heh.

Maybe the media should lurk here at WS a bit more--- they might get their facts right !

Seemed like different news outlets were reporting a wide variety of accounts.
They should come back and read the WS thread to get the correct version.

 

[MyBelle]

^^ This was a sticking point for me too until CB made the comments about Kelsey normally dressing up to leave the house. It would make sense for PF to pick up the baby so that Kelsey could shower and fix her hair and makeup for their dinner plans. Maybe PF was going to take baby Christmas tree shopping? This is all speculation and MOO but it could make sense.

A year-old baby isn't going to be an active participant in selecting a Christmas tree. iow, it is a chore to take an infant shopping. The idea that PF would want to do it alone with the baby is another indication that he was making excuses to keep KB away. JMO

 

[moonlessnight]

I am on board with this line of thought. Unmarried couple with new baby establishing custody and separate lives. There is a statistically high risk to the female and child in this situation due to financial, legal and emotional issues, and issues of power and control. Female disappears after exchanging the child with the father. No one sees her after she is in contact with the child's father. Child's father does not report her missing. No clear method of travel used by missing female. No warning signs of mental illness or suicide risk. No body.

and a personal observation, Colorado is just rife with these cases. A recent case in Colorado may have served as motivation or inspiration.

Completely agree with you. Humans are essentially creatures of habit. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. For a woman with no history of ever leaving home unprepared, and without communicating her whereabouts with family and/or friends, the chance of KB walking away on 11/22 and never looking back are slim to none. Even KB's occupation and talent represent a serious minded individual, and disappearing without a trace simply don't fit her profile. Most important, leaving her child behind with no contact after 3 weeks is a very strong indicator that KB is not able to communicate with anybody, period. And I've purposely left PF out of the equation to present some realistic talking points. MOO