CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #3

[moonlessnight]

505-When does the Privacy Rule allow covered entities to disclose information to law enforcement

The question I have is, lets say hypothetically a missing person is in-patient somewhere, can such a facility call up law enforcement and say, "Hey, we saw on the news you are looking for so-and-so, and that person is a patient in our facility" or would law enforcement have to reach out to each of the facilities and ask specifically?

 

[Kelsey's Aunt]

She has been pushing hard from the beginning, doing everything in her power to get the word out.

She is a woman of faith, a mother who is trying to stay positive, unwilling to let her mind go in the direction of a horrible possibility.

She may have information that she doesn’t wish to share, as it will hurt the search effort and inhibit her ability to see her grandchild.

She’s both terrified and sad, whether we can see it in her interviews or not.

Thank you Mass, my sister is a very strong woman and her faith is just as strong.

 

[flute4peace]

I’ve seen several references to “HIPPA” and I don’t want to come across as difficult or snobbish but it’s actually HIPAA. Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. Just an informational post for those who may not be familiar with the acronym. Link below has information on the act.

Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act - Wikipedia

 

[LietKynes]

and why wouldn't he be mourning, too, of they knew she was deceased?

I guess LE is just looking for the body before making an arrest and filing charges.

Oh, goodness... *runs off to edit my post *

One question and then I have to go off to slumber.... IF Kelsey is kidnapped/deceased --- who would benefit from her absence ?
Would anyone benefit at all from her being gone... either foul play or missing of her own volition ? (i.e., suicide or mental health issue ?)
I cannot imagine someone having issues... and another friend or whomever just letting them leave , and not reaching out to her friends or family for help.

 

[Jennifer17]

I’ve seen several references to “HIPPA” and I don’t want to come across as difficult or snobbish but it’s actually HIPAA. Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act

Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act - Wikipedia

We are not all familiar with US acronyms.

 

[MassGuy]

Thank you Mass, my sister is a very strong woman and her faith is just as strong.

Yay! You’re verified.

Thrilled to have you!

 

[gypsysoul]

Agree. Please show me a man who willingly wants to venture out with a young toddler alone to a store, much less chopping down a tree. I found that whole statement extremely odd

Well, I was more picturing PF strolling around a quaint, lit tree lot with the baby. He points to the tree he wants. No need to chop a pre-cut tree down. The workers tie it to the top of his car. Seems feasible to me. Anyways, we know it didn't end that way so it's a moot point.

 

[BRRI]

Why do you assume that she is seeing someone else? That could be true for either party.

Because it makes the most sense as to why a mother wouldn’t spend the holiday with her baby and then not spend it with friends/family (if they split custody, and it was his day with her, I would think Kelsey would have then went to spend the day with people close to her). If we believe the information that we have as factual, we know that she dropped the baby off with PF. But why? Maybe to go run errands, but she had the baby with her doing errands, so why change from that? Assuming she didn’t plan to meet back up with PF that day, why did she drop the baby off? I interpret that as likely spending the holiday with someone else. If it were with friends, I feel that we would have heard them speak out by now. IMO, if she was with anyone else, it had to be someone new in her life that many people may not have known about. Also, if she planned to spend the day alone, why not drop off the baby first and THEN food shop? Food shopping with a baby is never a fun time, so I’d try to avoid it, especially if I knew I had child care for the day. I’d wait until my daughter was with her dad, then shop.

 

[flute4peace]

We are not all familiar with US acronyms.

Good point, I edited my post to hopefully come across as more friendly. I meant no disrespect.

 

[BRRI]

Well, I was more picturing PF strolling around a quaint, lit tree lot with the baby. He points to the tree he wants. No need to chop a pre-cut tree down. The workers tie it to the top of his car. Seems feasible to me. Anyways, we know it didn't end that way so it's a moot point.

I guess I feel like someone who lives on a ranch in Colorado would want to cut down their tree

 

[Jennifer17]

Because it makes the most sense as to why a mother wouldn’t spend the holiday with her baby and then not spend it with friends/family (if they split custody, and it was his day with her, I would think Kelsey would have then went to spend the day with people close to her). If we believe the information that we have as factual, we know that she dropped the baby off with PF. But why? Maybe to go run errands, but she had the baby with her doing errands, so why change from that? Assuming she didn’t plan to meet back up with PF that day, why did she drop the baby off? I interpret that as likely spending the holiday with someone else. If it were with friends, I feel that we would have heard them speak out by now. IMO, if she was with anyone else, it had to be someone new in her life that many people may not have known about. Also, if she planned to spend the day alone, why not drop off the baby first and THEN food shop? Food shopping with a baby is never a fun time, so I’d try to avoid it, especially if I knew I had child care for the day. I’d wait until my daughter was with her dad, then shop.

BBM. That is not factual. He picked the baby up at her house. She did not drop the baby off.

 

[Kelsey's Aunt]

I was wondering.....Was it established that she had some family ties to Gooding, Id? Also, surprised mom didn't call earlier. Were they not very close? Ten days seems like a long time not to have mother/daughter contact. Wouldn't mom be suspicious a lot sooner? Did fiance have custody and Kelsey visitation? Thoughts, anyone? This situation is very weird.

No ties to Gooding, Northern Idaho, but as said, no one knew anything about a trip home.

 

[MassGuy]

@Kelsey's Aunt

We’re all aware that there are questions that you can and can’t answer for various reasons.

Do you know when and where your niece’s daughter was picked up on Thanksgiving Day?

 

[KathrynL]

Thank you Mass, my sister is a very strong woman and her faith is just as strong.

I'm glad to see you as a verified insider. Please let your sister know she and all of your family are in my prayers. Her strength and faith is apparent in all of her public statements.

 

[moonlessnight]

exchange is the term used when transferring the child during regular parenting time shifts from parent to parent when there has been a separation or divorce of married couples. Their status is vague, but it sounds like they use the same term, which implies relationship discord.

The term "exchange" is hinky to me because it implies it took place at someplace other their homes such as a shopping mall, police station or other place where the parents wouldn't be alone with each other.
The video of KB leaving the Safeway has never been released and I've wondered if that is where the "exchange" took place. If that is the term PF used with LE, then I wonder when and where the reverse "exchange" would take place. JMO

 

[Charlot123]

If she's that religious it's weird she had a kid out of wedlock IMO.

At her age, 29, this would not surprise me.

Rather, if she is religious and got pregnant, she'd certainly keep the child. And also, if KB and PF were both religious, a child might be the main and the only binding element between two very different and otherwise not extremely attached people.

 

[Seattle1]

My take -if this case deviates from what seems to be obvious- is that she and PF are no longer together and she is seeing someone else. LE could intentionally be leaving those details out, wanting it to seem like everyone believed her to still be with PF, to throw off the perp. That would explain why she was dropping off her daughter...wanting her to spend the holiday with family rather than a new man. Could also explain why she wasn’t reported missing very quickly...planned trip with a boyfriend?

There are too many missing details for me to think that LE has absolutely no idea what is going on. The only other thing that seems logical would be that a stranger abducted her.

Unfortunately, whether we want to admit it or not, stranger abduction happens. Molllie Tibbetts was abducted and murdered by a stranger blocks from her home while jogging; a homeless man attacked and killed exchange student/pro golfer Celia Arozamena on the golf course; and Hania Aguilar was abducted from her driveway just before school all within the last 6 months.

 

[Kelsey's Aunt]

@Kelsey's Aunt

We’re all aware that there are questions that you can and can’t answer for various reasons.

Do you know when and where your niece’s daughter was picked up on Thanksgiving Day?

PF picked up the baby at KB house in the afternoon. That has been stated several times.

 

[BRRI]

BBM. That is not factual. He picked the baby up at her house. She did not drop the baby off.

I think you know what I meant. The baby was exchanged between the two.

 

[BloodHoundSleuther]

BBM. That is not factual. He picked the baby up at her house. She did not drop the baby off.

That is not factual. I found an article written yesterday by fox news that stated the details of exchanging the child, when and where were not verified?? I beleive it was on page 32 of this thread. There is no verification of where or when exactly they exchanged the child later that day sometime after Kelsey visited Safeway.

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