CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[The Night Watchman]

I haven't had anything new to add lately, but I'm going back to this.

PF asked KK to kill his wife, according to the Rs. Maybe three times.

In my simple and naive mind, I immediately twisted that information into meaning- help PF kill his wife, or more likely cover up the crime. Because why wouldn't PF do it himself? No Cowboy asks a woman to do this for him.

But PF asked KK to "KILL his wife", which is very different than assisting.

Why? Two important reasons this might be asked of KK.

1) PF can pick up the child "as scheduled" with KB, and have a 100% alibi for days. Stop at a store in WP with the child on his way home. Get gas in Divide. Keep phone on during travels, and enjoy Thanksgiving with family and especially friends. Be seen at all times, with all time accounted for by reputable witnesses.

2) To have an UNKNOWN killer show up after PF picks up the child, take care of things, dispose of the body, and send phone calls from Idaho, AND leaving no trace behind. The "plan" would be to present reasonable doubt about whether LB ran off on her own, since PF could not be implicated. PF is probably not that bright, but he is probably bright enough to know LE would be banging down his front door with KB's disappearance.

The plan requires one critical detail. A detail that must be executed properly.

The unknown killer- KK, must remain unknown.

Could KK's BFF actually be the single person that broke this open, albeit maybe unintentionally? If she never went to the Rs, where would we be? It appears that KK folded under pressure, but did LE presenting her with the BFF's words help in undoing her denials?

The details of cases that I read here on WS have jaded me enough to consider things I thought not possible. But I'm starting to believe that PF solicited KK to compete the entire process of eliminating KB. And she did, alone. I believe this is still consistent with PF's 1st degree murder charge.

If KK did what is hypothesized here, then she disposed of the body as well. On her way back to Idaho, or in a location in CO preselected by PF?

I don't believe there is any evidence that we know of that shows PF was directly- physically involved in KBs murder or disposal. This may well have been his plan, and he thought he was playing Chess, while LE (and us) would be playing Checkers.

Checkmate.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Left to visit the Jayme Closs thread. That guy is a monster and quite proud of himself. These monsters need to have done to them what they do to their victims. LWOP is too good for them.

Right? What is with our society that we produce so many bad characters? It's like we have to figure out our parenting, our psychological care of people, our community, our food? I was following this because it's colorado and found this site during the other colorado tragedy and am simply amazed at all the crime. People missing, murdered, mangled. Who ARE we? Thank goodness the majority of us are making it through life lawfully. Thank goodness.

 

[Esma]

WS is a business. The owners set standards for what they think is accceptable language, photos, outside information, etc.

I respect their integrity and that’s what makes it worthwhile coming here, because they insist on certain kinds of ethical standards. I feel like we participate knowing that innocent people are not allowed to be falsely identified, that unsubstantiated rumors are not encouraged, that the other victims: The family and friends can have some sort of protection from more injury.

MSM may work by different rules. That’s their perrogative

Perhaps you should contact the Moderators and carry on this inquiry with them. I’m sticking to initials

We are all sticking to initials as usual. Nothing has changed. What i'm saying is, no MSM article we have added to our collection of articles in this case from day 1 uses the initials of those that they write about. That makes no sense. Whether its CBS< ABC< NBC or the DM- none write articles using initials. I have read on here that DM is considered MSM.

 

[UnicornDragon]

I've read and watched the interview as it may be. This is all MOO. HUGE MOO.

It still reads as a release by law enforcement from some level, not sure from who. The Rs were just the willing party to go forward and could make a reason to do so.

Anything the brother says, I'm taking with a huge chunk of salt. Something about him seems off, has from day one, still does. He reads as hyper aggressive to me.

But that's all just MOOing my little heart out. As of yet, it's still one arrest and no major evidence out there. Until that changes, there's about nothing public.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Yes possibilities, but we have no proof still that any are actually true is what I’m saying. It’s easy to go with the flow on it because of rodeo in common, but it may not be true. I certainly don’t believe some pimply faced 18 year old kid had ‘a hold’ of her since she was 18 either. Lol. That’s just stupid.

Since KK lived her entire life within the general Twin Falls, ID area as her address history since she was 18 shows and PF spent his entire adult life in the Florissant, CO area, I don't know how it is they meet in person, right out of high school.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Since KK lived her entire life within the general Twin Falls, ID area as her address history since she was 18 shows and PF spent his entire adult life in the Florissant, CO area, I don't know how it is they meet in person, right out of high school.

Rodeos?

 

[UnicornDragon]

We are all sticking to initials as usual. Nothing has changed. What i'm saying is, no MSM article we have added to our collection of articles in this case from day 1 uses the initials of those that they write about. That makes no sense. Whether its CBS< ABC< NBC or the DM- none write articles using initials. I have read on here that DM is considered MSM.

I'm curious why DM is considered MSM here, when it's largely viewed as tabloid media? The high majority of their reporting here is just pulled from FB comments.

 

[Esma]

Since KK lived her entire life within the general Twin Falls, ID area as her address history since she was 18 shows and PF spent his entire adult life in the Florissant, CO area, I don't know how it is they meet in person, right out of high school.

And 'met at a rodeo' could be any time prior to his arrest. Both were still living the ranch rodeo life. That commonality may be what drew them together at any point, including online singles websites.

 

[yawningreyhound]

I need to go research, but thought I'd also ask...Do we know if KK ever lived HERE? If they met soon after HS, could that have been when they "worked together" (another publicized observation of when they met)? In Colorado, I mean. If they "worked together," Idaho or Colorado? Or, thinking outloud here, maybe they met working together on the rodeo circuit. That would explain a lot to me.

I don’t believe a single word of that narrative. Other than using bad judgment.

 

[susiQ]

Since KK lived her entire life within the general Twin Falls, ID area as her address history since she was 18 shows and PF spent his entire adult life in the Florissant, CO area, I don't know how it is they meet in person, right out of high school.

At a rodeo event?

 

[Trudie]

Since KK lived her entire life within the general Twin Falls, ID area as her address history since she was 18 shows and PF spent his entire adult life in the Florissant, CO area, I don't know how it is they meet in person, right out of high school.

Maybe at a rodeo/mutual friends/horse deal, endless possibilities.

Where do you think she is, currently?
In my town/state, media camps at a suspects drive/street, as close as they can legally get 24/7 to get that ever so important photo op’. Something innocuous “John Doe, questioned in blah blah has been seen getting his mail...breaking news JD just fed his dog.....more news from the Doe residence, he’s outside smoking.” Is media or a free lance photog at her residence? Do we know? If not, might it be because they’d be violating HIPPA to reveal her location? Jmo/speculating

 

[Jethro4WS]

Rodeos?

But to be first loves, that you never get over? From a rodeo or three? To be fair, I don't understand women, so it could be as simple as that.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I need to go research, but thought I'd also ask...Do we know if KK ever lived HERE? If they met soon after HS, could that have been when they "worked together" (another publicized observation of when they met)? In Colorado, I mean. If they "worked together," Idaho or Colorado? Or, thinking outloud here, maybe they met working together on the rodeo circuit. That would explain a lot to me.

I'm guessing working together on the rodeo circuit.

 

[yawningreyhound]

And 'met at a rodeo' could be any time prior to his arrest. Both were still living the ranch rodeo life. That commonality may be what drew them together at any point, including online singles websites.

Oops, I just finished an entire paragraph asking those questions while you were asking yours...didn't mean to step on the repeating wagon. Everyone's thinking through this so much right now.

 

[susiQ]

I'm curious why DM is considered MSM here, when it's largely viewed as tabloid media? The high majority of their reporting here is just pulled from FB comments.

True, but their accuracy rate on this case appears better than some MSM MOO

 

[Esma]

I'm curious why DM is considered MSM here, when it's largely viewed as tabloid media? The high majority of their reporting here is just pulled from FB comments.

I can't answer that question. It has been apparently prior to my joining.

At a rodeo event?

at age 18, 25, 30? Could have been at any time- we don't know IF or when they 'met at a rodeo'

 

[Jethro4WS]

Maybe at a rodeo/mutual friends/horse deal, endless possibilities.

Where do you think she is, currently?
In my town/state, media camps at a suspects drive/street, as close as they can legally get 24/7 to get that ever so important photo op’. Something innocuous “John Doe, questioned in blah blah has been seen getting his mail...breaking news JD just fed his dog.....more news from the Doe residence, he’s outside smoking.” Is media or a free lance photog at her residence? Do we know? If not, might it be because they’d be violating HIPPA to reveal her location? Jmo/speculating

My guess is at her mother's.

 

[The Farm]

Anyone with LE family/friend, ask them how often a suspect seeks hospitalization after being drilled for a felony crime? A lot, imo.
All it takes is one doctor, imo ( based on personal convos )
to declare “NO VISITORS”. That means none. **
IMO, when a person appears to be involved in a capital crime is not apprehended, there’s one reason.
LE can’t get to them.

Couple who exposed Patrick Frazee knew he planned to murder Kelsey Berreth weeks before her death | Daily Mail Online

Me? Yea, if I get questioned by FBI & perhaps “lie”, expect a “knock knock” at my door from a uniformed person with a badge & cuffs, I might prefer to not be home. So, where is the ONE safe harbor?

Moo

**in my state, LE positions 24/7 guard outside the patient door. No Visitors includes lawyer, family & friends. Once the restriction is lifted, the lawyer is usually first in.

I would like to put in my take on this scenario.

At my place of employment I had an employee that went out on a "medical leave" which it is once a doctor signs that paper.
Months had gone by and it came to the point where I needed that person back into the mix.
I then went to the director and asked what was going on and if we knew when this person would re-appear. This was not by the way a reliable employee but one that we had issues with in many ways but no crime was involved. This employee knew that their job was hanging by a very thin string and that if they went out on a medical they could still retain their job and medical benefits. They knew what they were doing. Now the first 12 weeks they are covered by FMLA but after that you both want and need to know what is up here or they will hang in limbo.
I was told in no uncertain terms could I contact the person to ask any questions, once they are out on a nervous breakdown medical or stress medical or however you would like to classify it, it becomes off limits. We were over that 12 week protection with this employee at this point.

Another couple of weeks went by but once it gets to that HR and the companies attorneys get involved. Needless to say the employee never returned and we got the word that they were gone.
But they were protected and the company did not allow any contact with said employee while in that time frame.

Two different animals (crime-non-crime) but people that do this know what they are doing. I do find this scenario very plausible for someone in KK's position and as a nurse she certainly would know that.
I questioned the other day that if in fact this was the case and if she is under medical care and LE could approach, was allowed by doctor, would anything she said be used in the case because if she is out on medical duress/stress? I do not think anything she said would hold up in a court of law because of her state of mind.

Maybe that is why she has not been arrested nor has anything even been said recently about her at all. It does make sense and could definitely be a possibility.
And to follow up this is all JMO and could be a reason for all the secrecy pertaining to KK.

 

[NoeticSoul]

But to be first loves, that you never get over? From a rodeo or three? To be fair, I don't understand women, so it could be as simple as that.

I agree. There must be something more complicated than that too, perhaps they share 'something' other than just "working together" from the past. Just thinking out loud.

 

[Herat]

I haven't had anything new to add lately, but I'm going back to this.

PF asked KK to kill his wife, according to the Rs. Maybe three times.

In my simple and naive mind, I immediately twisted that information into meaning- help PF kill his wife, or more likely cover up the crime. Because why wouldn't PF do it himself? No Cowboy asks a woman to do this for him.

But PF asked KK to "KILL his wife", which is very different than assisting.

Why? Two important reasons this might be asked of KK.

1) PF can pick up the child "as scheduled" with KB, and have a 100% alibi for days. Stop at a store in WP with the child on his way home. Get gas in Divide. Keep phone on during travels, and enjoy Thanksgiving with family and especially friends. Be seen at all times, with all time accounted for by reputable witnesses.

2) To have an UNKNOWN killer show up after PF picks up the child, take care of things, dispose of the body, and send phone calls from Idaho, AND leaving no trace behind. The "plan" would be to present reasonable doubt about whether LB ran off on her own, since PF could not be implicated. PF is probably not that bright, but he is probably bright enough to know LE would be banging down his front door with KB's disappearance.

The plan requires one critical detail. A detail that must be executed properly.

The unknown killer- KK, must remain unknown.

Could KK's BFF actually be the single person that broke this open, albeit maybe unintentionally? If she never went to the Rs, where would we be? It appears that KK folded under pressure, but did LE presenting her with the BFF's words help in undoing her denials?

The details of cases that I read here on WS have jaded me enough to consider things I thought not possible. But I'm starting to believe that PF solicited KK to compete the entire process of eliminating KB. And she did, alone. I believe this is still consistent with PF's 1st degree murder charge.

If KK did what is hypothesized here, then she disposed of the body as well. On her way back to Idaho, or in a location in CO preselected by PF?

I don't believe there is any evidence that we know of that shows PF was directly- physically involved in KBs murder or disposal. This may well have been his plan, and he thought he was playing Chess, while LE (and us) would be playing Checkers.

Checkmate.

Well, we have only third-hand statements from some questionable people about the PF-KK communication that apparently is a soliciation according to LE.

We don’t have a LE transcript of a phone conversation, or a LE copy of a text, or a letter.

We can suppose all we want as to exactly what his request was or wasn’t.

We’re all just spitballin’ here. MHOO