CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

I can't answer that question. It has been apparently prior to my joining.

at age 18, 25, 30? Could have been at any time- we don't know IF or when they 'met at a rodeo'

It was a question, not an assertion.

 

[Herat]

Rodeos?

National High School Rodeo Association

Lots of high schools in cowboy country have Rodeo Teams - like mountain places have high school Ski Teams. And they travel all over for competititions

Her having met him in high school at a rodeo is very believeable. Nothing myserious at all about this.

 

[Trudie]

I haven't had anything new to add lately, but I'm going back to this.

PF asked KK to kill his wife, according to the Rs. Maybe three times.

In my simple and naive mind, I immediately twisted that information into meaning- help PF kill his wife, or more likely cover up the crime. Because why wouldn't PF do it himself? No Cowboy asks a woman to do this for him.

But PF asked KK to "KILL his wife", which is very different than assisting.

Why? Two important reasons this might be asked of KK.

1) PF can pick up the child "as scheduled" with KB, and have a 100% alibi for days. Stop at a store in WP with the child on his way home. Get gas in Divide. Keep phone on during travels, and enjoy Thanksgiving with family and especially friends. Be seen at all times, with all time accounted for by reputable witnesses.

2) To have an UNKNOWN killer show up after PF picks up the child, take care of things, dispose of the body, and send phone calls from Idaho, AND leaving no trace behind. The "plan" would be to present reasonable doubt about whether LB ran off on her own, since PF could not be implicated. PF is probably not that bright, but he is probably bright enough to know LE would be banging down his front door with KB's disappearance.

The plan requires one critical detail. A detail that must be executed properly.

The unknown killer- KK, must remain unknown.

Could KK's BFF actually be the single person that broke this open, albeit maybe unintentionally? If she never went to the Rs, where would we be? It appears that KK folded under pressure, but did LE presenting her with the BFF's words help in undoing her denials?

The details of cases that I read here on WS have jaded me enough to consider things I thought not possible. But I'm starting to believe that PF solicited KK to compete the entire process of eliminating KB. And she did, alone. I believe this is still consistent with PF's 1st degree murder charge.

If KK did what is hypothesized here, then she disposed of the body as well. On her way back to Idaho, or in a location in CO preselected by PF?

I don't believe there is any evidence that we know of that shows PF was directly- physically involved in KBs murder or disposal. This may well have been his plan, and he thought he was playing Chess, while LE (and us) would be playing Checkers.

Checkmate.

Yup...now you’re talking.
IMO, this is gonna be a whole lot more than a cowboy killing baby mom during child exchange on a holiday.

 

[NoeticSoul]

National High School Rodeo Association

Lots of high schools in cowboy country have Rodeo Teams - like mountain places have high school Ski Teams.

Nothing myserious at all about this.

True. I traveled all over in HS playing softball and met tons of people from other HS's nearby and at the state level of competition--met boys out of state that I kept in contact with.

eta : none that were the love of my life or that I would kill for! moo

 

[Seattle1]

And 'met at a rodeo' could be any time prior to his arrest. Both were still living the ranch rodeo life. That commonality may be what drew them together at any point, including online singles websites.

They are in their 30's now -- KK's since graduated college, married and divorced, and had at least 2 children. I don't believe that this is someone fixated on a first love of 15 years ago. Not buying it....

 

[Jethro4WS]

I agree. There must be something more complicated than that too, perhaps they share 'something' other than just "working together" from the past. Just thinking out loud.

Thinking out loud, myself. They live over 700 miles away from each other.

National High School Rodeo Association

Lots of high schools in cowboy country have Rodeo Teams - like mountain places have high school Ski Teams.

Her having met him in high school at a rodeo is very believeable. Nothing myserious at all about this.

But would high schools have the funds to send teams 700 miles away when there are likely more numerous opportunities locally? I could see travel to an adjacent state.

 

[Esma]

It was a question, not an assertion.

I know, I was just saying it could have been anytime if 'rodeo' was their connection. It doesn't have to be high school. I think the rumors have us stuck on an accepted narrative that may not be accurate.

 

[Herat]

Since KK lived her entire life within the general Twin Falls, ID area as her address history since she was 18 shows and PF spent his entire adult life in the Florissant, CO area, I don't know how it is they meet in person, right out of high school.

National High School Rodeo Association.

In cowboy country high schools have Rodeo Teams that travel to other places, just like in mountain areas high schools have Ski Teams that travel to competitions.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Thinking out loud, myself. They live over 700 miles away from each other.

But would high schools have the funds to send teams 700 miles away when there are likely more numerous opportunities locally? I could see travel to an adjacent state.

We went from Chicago to California for state tourneys, but fundraisers were needed to do so if we made state. The funds weren't just there, no. Good point.

 

[susiQ]

I know, I was just saying it could have been anytime if 'rodeo' was their connection. It doesn't have to be high school. I think the rumors have us stuck on an accepted narrative that may not be accurate.

Agreed, but we are all allowed to speculate, within reason, as you are. Are you not o.k. with that?

 

[Herat]

Thinking out loud, myself. They live over 700 miles away from each other.

But would high schools have the funds to send teams 700 miles away when there are likely more numerous opportunities locally? I could see travel to an adjacent state.

Twin Falls ID HS sends team to some place in Utah. PF’s High School in CO sends team to same rodeo in Utah.

Yeah, there is money for this just like there is money for ski teams and football teams and soccer teams and band competitions, and cheerleading competitions.

They just have to go farther.

 

[Deleted member 718]

But to be first loves, that you never get over? From a rodeo or three? To be fair, I don't understand women, so it could be as simple as that.

It is crazy isn't it? And yet, this seems to be KK's defense. PF put a spell on her.

 

[Trudie]

I would like to put in my take on this scenario.

At my place of employment I had an employee that went out on a "medical leave" which it is once a doctor signs that paper.
Months had gone by and it came to the point where I needed that person back into the mix.
I then went to the director and asked what was going on and if we knew when this person would re-appear. This was not by the way a reliable employee but one that we had issues with in many ways but no crime was involved. This employee knew that their job was hanging by a very thin string and that if they went out on a medical they could still retain their job and medical benefits. They knew what they were doing. Now the first 12 weeks they are covered by FMLA but after that you both want and need to know what is up here or they will hang in limbo.
I was told in no uncertain terms could I contact the person to ask any questions, once they are out on a nervous breakdown medical or stress medical or however you would like to classify it, it becomes off limits. We were over that 12 week protection with this employee at this point.

Another couple of weeks went by but once it gets to that HR and the companies attorneys get involved. Needless to say the employee never returned and we got the word that they were gone.
But they were protected and the company did not allow any contact with said employee while in that time frame.

Two different animals (crime-non-crime) but people that do this know what they are doing. I do find this scenario very plausible for someone in KK's position and as a nurse she certainly would know that.
I questioned the other day that if in fact this was the case and if she is under medical care and LE could approach, was allowed by doctor, would anything she said be used in the case because if she is out on medical duress/stress? I do not think anything she said would hold up in a court of law because of her state of mind.

Maybe that is why she has not been arrested nor has anything even been said recently about her at all. It does make sense and could definitely be a possibility.
And to follow up this is all JMO and could be a reason for all the secrecy pertaining to KK.

I was told a suspect during questioning (not arrested) can say “I’m gonna kill myself, I’m not going to jail” & an ambulance is immediately called. LE wants the person alive! For future interrogations. Now, in jail if someone is suicidal, they have “suicide watch”. But an unarrested person can’t be thrown in jail ,for stating he might commit suicide.
And, what happens if we call 911, “help John Doe is here, he wants to kill himself”, LE/ambulance arrive
and transport the person to a medical facility.
Moo
Idk where she is. Reportedly, she committed a crime. Msm reported she was questioned, R’s stated she had the phone.
So, did she not have the phone & no involvement? Or, is she holed up where LE can’t access her?

IMO, the latter. The chances of getting more info from her & observing her, monitoring calls, etc., is ZERO if she’s at home. In jail? Much easier. She’s a talker.

 

[WildcatRunner]

National High School Rodeo Association

Lots of high schools in cowboy country have Rodeo Teams - like mountain places have high school Ski Teams. And they travel all over for competititions

Her having met him in high school at a rodeo is very believeable. Nothing myserious at all about this.

I grew up in "that world," and I made many friends during and right after high school from rodeos. I haven't owned (or even ridden) a horse in 20 years, and I still have contact with some of those friends.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I haven't had anything new to add lately, but I'm going back to this.

PF asked KK to kill his wife, according to the Rs. Maybe three times.

In my simple and naive mind, I immediately twisted that information into meaning- help PF kill his wife, or more likely cover up the crime. Because why wouldn't PF do it himself? No Cowboy asks a woman to do this for him.

But PF asked KK to "KILL his wife", which is very different than assisting.

Why? Two important reasons this might be asked of KK.

1) PF can pick up the child "as scheduled" with KB, and have a 100% alibi for days. Stop at a store in WP with the child on his way home. Get gas in Divide. Keep phone on during travels, and enjoy Thanksgiving with family and especially friends. Be seen at all times, with all time accounted for by reputable witnesses.

2) To have an UNKNOWN killer show up after PF picks up the child, take care of things, dispose of the body, and send phone calls from Idaho, AND leaving no trace behind. The "plan" would be to present reasonable doubt about whether LB ran off on her own, since PF could not be implicated. PF is probably not that bright, but he is probably bright enough to know LE would be banging down his front door with KB's disappearance.

The plan requires one critical detail. A detail that must be executed properly.

The unknown killer- KK, must remain unknown.

Could KK's BFF actually be the single person that broke this open, albeit maybe unintentionally? If she never went to the Rs, where would we be? It appears that KK folded under pressure, but did LE presenting her with the BFF's words help in undoing her denials?

The details of cases that I read here on WS have jaded me enough to consider things I thought not possible. But I'm starting to believe that PF solicited KK to compete the entire process of eliminating KB. And she did, alone. I believe this is still consistent with PF's 1st degree murder charge.

If KK did what is hypothesized here, then she disposed of the body as well. On her way back to Idaho, or in a location in CO preselected by PF?

I don't believe there is any evidence that we know of that shows PF was directly- physically involved in KBs murder or disposal. This may well have been his plan, and he thought he was playing Chess, while LE (and us) would be playing Checkers.

Checkmate.

I hope PF breaks soon. If KK is out on medical leave and playing the system and LE, she can do that for a very long time. They are both very cruel monsters. IMO, so are her bff’s in Idaho.

 

[WildcatRunner]

National High School Rodeo Association.

In cowboy country high schools have Rodeo Teams that travel to other places, just like in mountain areas high schools have Ski Teams that travel to competitions.

...and in Colorado, high schools have both! Haha

 

[Kapua]

They are in their 30's now -- KK's since graduated college, married and divorced, and had at least 2 children. I don't believe that this is someone fixated on a first love of 15 years ago. Not buying it....

Add me to the long list of people who are not buying the "love of her life" bovine excrement. There is something more going on. Maybe a few somethings. MOO

 

[The Farm]

They are in their 30's now -- KK's since graduated college, married and divorced, and had at least 2 children. I don't believe that this is someone fixated on a first love of 15 years ago. Not buying it....

But you never know, I have seen stranger things happen. There are people out there that just can not let go such as stalkers. No matter what they can not let go. Not saying this is the case here but I am really open to all probabilities with this one.

 

[Esma]

Since KK lived her entire life within the general Twin Falls, ID area as her address history since she was 18 shows and PF spent his entire adult life in the Florissant, CO area, I don't know how it is they meet in person, right out of high school.

And even if they met during high school at a little rodeo team event, it doesn't change the fact that they both still lived 700 miles apart their whole lives up to current. She has gone to college, married, divorced, had kids. How does a bond 700 miles away have 'a hold on her' after a few high school road trips 16 years ago? This one takes the cake.

 

[Esma]

It was a question, not an assertion.

Oh i get it now-- haha! I had accidentally doubled quoted another post on to yours where I said 'I can't answer that question'- that was a reply to a different poster. My bad.