CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

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  • #41
I have a feeling part of the complexity of this case has something to do with the motive. I think the motive was something none of us have come close to hitting on and will be very surprising when revealed. It may have nothing to do with love, hate or affairs.
So maybe we should go back to a suggested motive way back in the beginning.
Is it possible KB found out some dark, unspeakable habits of
PF and was ready to separate all contact and he was worried
she was about to expose him.
You know about those lonely, weirdo cowboys still livin' w/
momma. mOO.
 
  • #42
I didn’t name her or anyone as scheming or scorned.

You’re right. KK was probably delighted the love of her life found a brilliant, beautiful, confident woman & had a child with her. She had no reason to wish KB dead or to seek revenge on her former lover, did she? She only disposed of the phone out of fear.
We don’t have proof they were even romantically involved. 3rd person hearsay is all we have so far. This may just be rumor that has grown wings as fact.
 
  • #43
And all the while, he doesn't do anything to out her or follow up that his fiance is missing? That doesn't make sense. Occam's razor.

I have no idea what his counsel is doing. Obviously he’s not conducting biz in public.

Years ago, I read a book, an OTR driver from WA killed a horrific amount of women during his cross Country excursions. He used bungee cords to strap bodies under his trucks& enjoyed knowing he was mutilating their remains as he sped across the interstate. Years later, the wrong man was convicted. The driver/murderer was livid. He wanted the fame. He turned himself in. Iirc, it took two years for the wrong suspect to be released. I’ll see if I can find a link. The murderer took DA to a ravine where he had discarded a purse. That is how he convinced them he was the killer.

Where do you think KK is & why has she not been arrested in your opinion? Tysm
 
  • #44
So maybe we should go back to a suggested motive way back in the beginning.
Is it possible KB found out some dark, unspeakable habits of
PF and was ready to separate all contact and he was worried
she was about to expose him.
You know about those lonely, weirdo cowboys still livin' w/
momma. mOO.
Ya just never know. The motive may have been something we could have never guessed.
 
  • #45
Agree. We don’t know anything about her, nor any LE confirmed involvement.

Yes. Just third-hand info in a MSM interview from some attys giving out confusing info for some (as yet) undetermined purpose. If they had just posted all this stuff on their FB page, we wouldn't be discussing it now, per TOS here, it wouldn't be allowable.

Sigh. Hopefully we'll get some clarity out of the next interview installment. This case definitely needs the shining light of truth cast upon it, for KB and her family's sakes.
 
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  • #47
I have no idea what his counsel is doing. Obviously he’s not conducting biz in public.

Years ago, I read a book, an OTR driver from WA killed a horrific amount of women during his cross Country excursions. He used bungee cords to strap bodies under his trucks& enjoyed knowing he was mutilating their remains as he sped across the interstate. Years later, the wrong man was convicted. The driver/murderer was livid. He wanted the fame. He turned himself in. Iirc, it took two years for the wrong suspect to be released. I’ll see if I can find a link. The murderer took DA to a ravine where he had discarded a purse. That is how he convinced them he was the killer.

Where do you think KK is & why has she not been arrested in your opinion? Tysm


I'm not talking about what council is doing now, I am talking about when she was missing.

"And all the while, he doesn't do anything to out her or follow up that his fiance is missing?"
 
  • #48
We don’t have proof they were even romantically involved. 3rd person hearsay is all we have so far. This may just be rumor that has grown wings as fact.
Early on numerous co-workers of hers at the hospital were
quoted as saying they were dating according to KKL.
I don't think there's any doubt w/ most of us and LE that
there was some kind of romantic tete a' tete going on.
 
  • #49
I doubt we will ever know the motive. PF will never admit to anything imo.
 
  • #50
Until I see evidence against P, I think he picked his child up, returned to the ranchette & something went down @ the condo. Did he prearrange it? Or did a scheming, scorned woman?

If P/KK had a romantic type relationship in the past, at some point, it ended. Maybe, when she married?
But, from what we think we know, her love/obsession did not end. Owning horses together indicates (to me) they had an agreement to be friends. We’ve all ended a relationship & say, “but, we can still be friends”. Perhaps, KK thought she’d once again be the object of his desire.??

Then, KB arrives on scene. Then a baby. Now, P is even busier, has little time to hang out. Not a stretch to consider KK was mad enough to kill.

Set the stage....start telling the bestie P wants this & that.
When this & that happens, she thinks her butt is covered. Her bestie knows P wanted KB dead! Plus bestie told her boss, an attorney.

Of course things go wrong. After all, she’s a nurse, not a mastermind criminal. So much to do. Turn phone off, turn on, send texts, eat at Sonic, clean up....all on no sleep, after a long adrenaline fueled drive.

FBI questions her, she flubs up & now is really petrified (with good reason) & self admits to a med’ facility.

Speculation only
It's been reported:
-That a neighbor saw PF's car there.
-He had a frightening temper according to some.
-He picked up the baby from Kelsey's.
-If the evidence leads to him, and it appears it does, I'm still leaving him as the top perp. (LE did extensive searches at his place).
-Kelsey's body appears to be gone. He has the most means to do that.
-He also didn't tell Kelsey"s mom where Kelsey was, etc.
I'm not saying KK is innocent, but (for me) it's definitely a stretch to say pf is innocent.
 
  • #51
I think the 3rd interview installment will be more of the same. 3rd party hearsay that will be useless narrative other than to create another round of frenzy.
 
  • #52
Yes. Just third-hand info in a MSM interview from some attys giving out confusing info for some (as yet) undetermined purpose. If they had just posted all this stuff on their FB page, we wouldn't be discussing it now, per TOS here, it wouldn't be allowable.

Sigh. Hopefully we'll get some clarity out of the next interview installment. This case definitely needs the shining light of truth cast upon it, for KB and her family's sakes.

Unfortunately, I don't expect to glean any shining lights of truth from the R's next interview :/ moo
 
  • #53
Early on numerous co-workers of hers at the hospital were
quoted as saying they were dating according to KKL.
I don't think there's any doubt w/ most of us and LE that
there was some kind of romantic tete a' tete going on.
Or were they sharing a rumor they heard?
 
  • #54
Ya just never know. The motive may have been something we could have never guessed.

Do you think PF wanted KB dead just not for the reasons we’ve speculated about? Or do you think that aspect might be totally different also? I’m guessing you think the former based on a previous comment you made but thought I’d check in case you have a new theory.
 
  • #55
Ya just never know. The motive may have been something we could have never guessed.

Very true, all we have at the moment is a lot of speculation and throwing ideas around which everyone has a right to do as long as it does not rub the TOS.
 
  • #56
It's been reported:
-That a neighbor saw PF's car there.
-He had a frightening temper according to some.
-He picked up the baby from Kelsey's.
-If the evidence leads to him, and it appears it does, I'm still leaving him as the top perp. (LE did extensive searches at his place).
-Kelsey's body appears to be gone. He has the most means to do that.
-He also didn't tell Kelsey"s mom where Kelsey was, etc.
I'm not saying KK is innocent, but (for me) it's definitely a stretch to say pf is innocent.

I do not see anyone here at the moment saying that PF is innocent.
 
  • #57
Unfortunately, I don't expect to glean any shining lights of truth from the R's next interview :/ moo

Well, I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst, in spite of the date discrepancies noted after their second installment. If those stand as reported, that's big, IMO.
 
  • #58
Do you think PF wanted KB dead just not for the reasons we’ve speculated about? Or do you think that aspect might be totally different also? I’m guessing you think the former based on a previous comment you made but thought I’d check in case you have a new theory.
Honestly I’m not sure. I just think with the little information we have, we have to consider that the motive may have been something way out of our current thinking patterns and reach.
 
  • #59
Honestly I’m not sure. I just think with the little information we have, we have to consider that the motive may have been something way out of our current thinking patterns and reach.

Thank you. I think you have good ideas and was just curious to hear more. :-)
 
  • #60
Or were they sharing a rumor they heard?

Multiple reports that they were dating. KK was a talker, she told her BFF that PF solicited her for murder. She talked about that, she talked about having the phone, she most definitely talked about her relationship with PF. Enough that the press are confident about it.

I am going with that, but if you guys want to wait til PF talks and confirms it, cause you aren't going to get him caught in a hotel room with her when he's in jail..
 
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