CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[Kapua]

I haven't had anything new to add lately, but I'm going back to this.

PF asked KK to kill his wife, according to the Rs. Maybe three times.

In my simple and naive mind, I immediately twisted that information into meaning- help PF kill his wife, or more likely cover up the crime. Because why wouldn't PF do it himself? No Cowboy asks a woman to do this for him.

But PF asked KK to "KILL his wife", which is very different than assisting.

Why? Two important reasons this might be asked of KK.

1) PF can pick up the child "as scheduled" with KB, and have a 100% alibi for days. Stop at a store in WP with the child on his way home. Get gas in Divide. Keep phone on during travels, and enjoy Thanksgiving with family and especially friends. Be seen at all times, with all time accounted for by reputable witnesses.

2) To have an UNKNOWN killer show up after PF picks up the child, take care of things, dispose of the body, and send phone calls from Idaho, AND leaving no trace behind. The "plan" would be to present reasonable doubt about whether LB ran off on her own, since PF could not be implicated. PF is probably not that bright, but he is probably bright enough to know LE would be banging down his front door with KB's disappearance.

The plan requires one critical detail. A detail that must be executed properly.

The unknown killer- KK, must remain unknown.

Could KK's BFF actually be the single person that broke this open, albeit maybe unintentionally? If she never went to the Rs, where would we be? It appears that KK folded under pressure, but did LE presenting her with the BFF's words help in undoing her denials?

The details of cases that I read here on WS have jaded me enough to consider things I thought not possible. But I'm starting to believe that PF solicited KK to compete the entire process of eliminating KB. And she did, alone. I believe this is still consistent with PF's 1st degree murder charge.

If KK did what is hypothesized here, then she disposed of the body as well. On her way back to Idaho, or in a location in CO preselected by PF?

I don't believe there is any evidence that we know of that shows PF was directly- physically involved in KBs murder or disposal. This may well have been his plan, and he thought he was playing Chess, while LE (and us) would be playing Checkers.

Checkmate.

Well, PF had thought the crime through well enough to be in CO and have KB's phone ping in ID. However, I don't think KK was onboard with doing the actual deed. I could be wrong, but my reasoning for this is that I think LE was on to her fairly quickly and would have arrested her at the same time as PF if this were the case.

Fortunately, there were a lot of things that PF did not think through very well, and those things tripped him up. Big time.

MOO

 

[The Farm]

We all perceive things differently. Nothing wrong with that.
Speculating, I will not be surprised to learn KK contacted KB more than once, claiming P belonged to her. If so, I hope KB told her mom there was a third party in her relationship with P. It will surprise me none to learn CB heard of KK, more than once.
IMO, KK loves P enough...,to kill for him.

I don't know if that is something that KB would have shared with her mother and it goes back too our kids do not tell us everything. She might of if it had been going on for quite some time but I am going with it would be something she would not have mentioned to her mom.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Right? What is with our society that we produce so many bad characters? It's like we have to figure out our parenting, our psychological care of people, our community, our food? I was following this because it's colorado and found this site during the other colorado tragedy and am simply amazed at all the crime. People missing, murdered, mangled. Who ARE we? Thank goodness the majority of us are making it through life lawfully. Thank goodness.

Our society is sick at it's roots. MOO

 

[jewelsmac]

LE certainly knows her last day of work. Pre-op RN’s normally wouldn’t work holidays and weekends, unless they are taking call for emergency cases, so she could very well have had 4 days off.

I’m pretty sure they can tell where she was and her driving routes by tracing her phone pings, traffic cameras, and where she bought gas and loaded up on SonicFood

SO:
Did PF choose Thanksgiving weekend because KK was available the entire weekend to ‘assist”?

hmm , Interesting. Also probably chosen because it would allow the most amount of time before someone would start looking for KB

 

[Trudie]

This is definitely possible- I know Trudie has thought similarly for a while. My only hold up is what in the world could PF have offered her to get her to agree to a plan like this?

Could Trudie be right that it was all KKs idea and PF wasn't involved? I have a hard time believing that LE would have enough on him to arrest him and not KK if this was the case. MOO

I’m not “sold” 100%, yet.
P not attending vigils, etc., bothers me none. Had he, we’d be discusing how he acted inappropriately, how awful he looks, what he was wearing, what he said, didn’t say & determining he’s a murderer because he wore boots/hat & a flannel shirt or some other absurdly irrelevant fact, imo. (Like his mom being unfit to baby sit due to a limp. Outrageous. My neighbor has one leg & 5 kids)
His lawyer told him to stay home, imo. Ask a VA here? A good client follows the advice of his counsel, imo. He wasn’t afraid to be in public, he was atvdump, atty office, etc.
We’re all dif’, bc I worked in the court system, I need facts.
Yes, they have some type of evidence that warranted an arrest. I have some ideas.
Also, I understand P is not in jail bc KK said he murdered KB.
I do, however, see where this situation has the possibility to incriminate a person.

 

[EyesofTheSouth]

I think hospitalization is an option. The other thought I'd have is police DO know where she is, and are in contact with her, but for some reason they are trying to keep her name and location private for the time being. Maybe there's a third key player they're looking for? Maybe KK has a ton of info, and they're protecting her until the figure out who the third player is.

The whole thing is strange...LE is unusually quiet, and there aren't even many rumors swirling around like you'd expect. There's something out of the norm that may shock us all when it's time to know about it.

Given the thinking is that PF is the one who did the deed and KK helped after the fact, I could see police cutting her a deal. The want the murderer much more than the accomplice.

 

[WildcatRunner]

IMO, if she’s home, LE is constantly visiting with her. Nothing drives a suspect crazier more than “but that’s not what you said yesterday”, imo. Keep asking, the story/lie changes. And, imo, a free lance photog’ would be perfectly poised with a long lens.
Even if there’s imminent danger to her, out her in the house, she locks the doors & a deputy is stationed at the residence. Jmo
Heck, maybe she’s with her bestie, ordering pizza, throwing back beer, tightening their tale! Idk
(If being “protected”, jail offers the best protection, imo)

My apologies, I didn't necessarily mean "protected" in that fashion... although that could be feasible too. I meant just not disclosing her identity. If she is not in hospital, I would guess she's not at her home either. I would say a relative (cousin, uncle, someone not a super close relation to make the address harder to find/assume), and someone else is bringing in food, etc so that she is not in the public eye.
At this point, with this case, nothing would surprise me! Haha

 

[WildcatRunner]

I don't know if that is something that KB would have shared with her mother and it goes back too our kids do not tell us everything. She might of if it had been going on for quite some time but I am going with it would be something she would not have mentioned to her mom.

I think "kids" are more apt to tell everything in adulthood. It seemed her mother and her were very close. I know I would tell my mom if some "crazy" woman started reaching out to me about my husband.

 

[The Night Watchman]

Well, PF had thought the crime through well enough to be in CO and have KB's phone ping in ID. However, I don't think KK was onboard with doing the actual deed. I could be wrong, but my reasoning for this is that I think LE was on to her fairly quickly and would have arrested her at the same time as PF if this were the case.

Fortunately, there were a lot of things that PF did not think through very well, and those things tripped him up. Big time.

MOO

BBM

The fact that she hasn't been been arrested might be related to ongoing interrogation and plea arrangements. Does anybody know- if a suspect (KK) hasn't been arrested, does LE have to turn over evidence obtained from her to the defense? Could that be a reason for no arrest yet, looking to delay giving information to the defense until they get everything they can.

It is possible that LE actually had a lot of circumstantial evidence but little hard evidence against PF until someone talked (KK). The talking may have sent LE back to the condo to retrieve evidence, maybe the DNA of the person talking. The killer. Just spitballing here, but I'll be accountable to myself if I'm way off (again).

I will also add that it would be very hard to get someone to kill someone, due to threats. I think it would be much easier for a manipulator to get an obsessive woman to do the same. MOO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

IMO, if she’s home, LE is constantly visiting with her. Nothing drives a suspect crazier more than “but that’s not what you said yesterday”, imo. Keep asking, the story/lie changes. And, imo, a free lance photog’ would be perfectly poised with a long lens.
Even if there’s imminent danger to her, out her in the house, she locks the doors & a deputy is stationed at the residence. Jmo
Heck, maybe she’s with her bestie, ordering pizza, throwing back beer, tightening their tale! Idk
(If being “protected”, jail offers the best protection, imo)

Trudie, I have really tried to follow your theory. But PF is sitting in a cell, not talking and charged with first degree murder. Don’t you think he would want to talk and go home to his little girl if this was all KK?

 

[WildcatRunner]

Given the thinking is that PF is the one who did the deed and KK helped after the fact, I could see police cutting her a deal. The want the murderer much more than the accomplice.

I would not be surprised if KK was involved in the whole thing, not just after the fact.

 

[Kapua]

BBM

The fact that she hasn't been been arrested might be related to ongoing interrogation and plea arrangements. Does anybody know- if a suspect (KK) hasn't been arrested, does LE have to turn over evidence obtained from her to the defense? Could that be a reason for no arrest yet, looking to delay giving information to the defense until they get everything they can.

It is possible that LE actually had a lot of circumstantial evidence but little hard evidence against PF until someone talked (KK). The talking may have sent LE back to the condo to retrieve evidence, maybe the DNA of the person talking. The killer. Just spitballing here, but I'll be accountable to myself if I'm way off (again).

I will also add that it would be very hard to get someone to kill someone, due to threats. I think it would be much easier for a manipulator to get an obsessive woman to do the same. MOO.

I've been way off more than twice, but IMHO, LE has considerable hard evidence against PF. The reason that I say this is because he was arrested for murder within 3 weeks of the missing person report without a body. This is quite rare.

 

[Artis]

Right? What is with our society that we produce so many bad characters? It's like we have to figure out our parenting, our psychological care of people, our community, our food? I was following this because it's colorado and found this site during the other colorado tragedy and am simply amazed at all the crime. People missing, murdered, mangled. Who ARE we? Thank goodness the majority of us are making it through life lawfully. Thank goodness.

We (humans) are all individuals. I think of it like every person is their own universe. You never know what's going on in someone else's head. Hence, my sig.

 

[Trudie]

I don't know if that is something that KB would have shared with her mother and it goes back too our kids do not tell us everything. She might of if it had been going on for quite some time but I am going with it would be something she would not have mentioned to her mom.

Idk the relationship between KB and her mom. I told my mom nothing, she asked nothing.
IMO, IF KK intruded in P & KB’s relationship, KB confided in someone....mom, bro, BIL, gf? And, of course they would not have mentioned KK. They would not want her to know, they knew.
The mere fact that allegedly KK involved herself, is revealing, imo. IMO, KK hasn’t aged well. She looks absolutely nothing like she did only ten years ago. IF
she loves P, omg, he peed her off to the nth degree. He had a baby with a new love interest.
Things we’ve heard, thus far, leads me to think KK a bit of a stalker. Someone that can’t let go of P.

Entertain this idea.....KK desperately wishes for a monogamous relationship with P. P’s been slipping away, busy with his baby, always has an excuse. KK is relentless.
P finally tells her “it ain’t happening”, KK might immediately blame KB. If KB hadn’t had that baby, hadn’t moved here, he’d be mine. IF KK wanted to be with P Thanksgiving but he tells her, “I’ll have my daughter, I’m picking her up at one-ish, for dinner.” KK would know, KB is in town & will be home. Speculation o LE.

Aside: I don’t think KB intended to go to P’s for Thanksgiving. I think she may have implied she would not be alone, not wanting her mom to be sad for her or question her on her relationship status. Jmo
(Last year, I went to family holiday dinner with my date. It was the longest, most brutal day of my life. I’d rather have wisdom teeth pulled w/o anesthesia, too many questions,
Iykwim). I also find nothing unusual abt not celebrating Thanksgiving. My neighbor did laundry, had clothes on the clothesline and her husband seeded the lawn. People celebrate how they like.

As far as we know, P has no other children, correct?

 

[Herat]

I can see that. I just am not sold on them meeting 'at a rodeo' quite yet. It's still just rumor.

Makes perfect sense to me. Rodeo being the common interest that likely started in HS and carried on. Shen being a Rodeo Queen would be expected to go to quite a number of other rodeos, and if she is so totally infatuated with him, would be sure to arrange their schedules to synchronize

 

[The Farm]

I think "kids" are more apt to tell everything in adulthood. It seemed her mother and her were very close. I know I would tell my mom if some "crazy" woman started reaching out to me about my husband.

But her mother was far away and I think she would want to keep the worry away from her.
As I said she might have told her but not even adult children tell their parents everything and we have had this discussion on here a few times. Some parents think they are so close to their adult children and we are in most ways but I still stand by the they do not tell us everything. And do we really know how close KB/CB were?

Example, I have a daughter in her 30's that actually lives in CO. and sometimes in the past she would tell me something and I would say geeezzzz why didn't you tell me or you didn't tell me that. Her answer, I did not want you to worry Mom. And I consider us to have a close relationship.
I think that it is great that you would tell yours just in case something happens!

 

[Trudie]

Trudie, I have really tried to follow your theory. But PF is sitting in a cell, not talking and charged with first degree murder. Don’t you think he would want to talk and go home to his little girl if this was all KK?

Absolutely. Idk what is happening behind closed doors.
I do believe once they have you it's not so simple to get up & go.
I’ve not said he’s not guilty. Idk.
I’ve tried to follow some theories, too. Some make sense, some having me laughing deliriously (not at the crime).
IMO, as things stand now, KK is guilty of a hell of a lot more than driving a phone across state line.

I do respect everyone’s opinions & try to be polite. I always read your posts twice, with great interest.

If we ever get a news update, I’ll know more. The R’s only confirmed what my opinion of KK was.

 

[Artis]

I would like to put in my take on this scenario.

At my place of employment I had an employee that went out on a "medical leave" which it is once a doctor signs that paper.
Months had gone by and it came to the point where I needed that person back into the mix.
I then went to the director and asked what was going on and if we knew when this person would re-appear. This was not by the way a reliable employee but one that we had issues with in many ways but no crime was involved. This employee knew that their job was hanging by a very thin string and that if they went out on a medical they could still retain their job and medical benefits. They knew what they were doing. Now the first 12 weeks they are covered by FMLA but after that you both want and need to know what is up here or they will hang in limbo.
I was told in no uncertain terms could I contact the person to ask any questions, once they are out on a nervous breakdown medical or stress medical or however you would like to classify it, it becomes off limits. We were over that 12 week protection with this employee at this point.

Another couple of weeks went by but once it gets to that HR and the companies attorneys get involved. Needless to say the employee never returned and we got the word that they were gone.
But they were protected and the company did not allow any contact with said employee while in that time frame.

Two different animals (crime-non-crime) but people that do this know what they are doing. I do find this scenario very plausible for someone in KK's position and as a nurse she certainly would know that.
I questioned the other day that if in fact this was the case and if she is under medical care and LE could approach, was allowed by doctor, would anything she said be used in the case because if she is out on medical duress/stress? I do not think anything she said would hold up in a court of law because of her state of mind.

Maybe that is why she has not been arrested nor has anything even been said recently about her at all. It does make sense and could definitely be a possibility.
And to follow up this is all JMO and could be a reason for all the secrecy pertaining to KK.

Employers and LE are two different things. She has no protection from LE other than a lawyer and pleading the fifth.

 

[Ccging]

Idk the relationship between KB and her mom. I told my mom nothing, she asked nothing.
IMO, IF KK intruded in P & KB’s relationship, KB confided in someone....mom, bro, BIL, gf? And, of course they would not have mentioned KK. They would not want her to know, they knew.
The mere fact that allegedly KK involved herself, is revealing, imo. IMO, KK hasn’t aged well. She looks absolutely nothing like she did only ten years ago. IF
she loves P, omg, he peed her off to the nth degree. He had a baby with a new love interest.
Things we’ve heard, thus far, leads me to think KK a bit of a stalker. Someone that can’t let go of P.

Entertain this idea.....KK desperately wishes for a monogamous relationship with P. P’s been slipping away, busy with his baby, always has an excuse. KK is relentless.
P finally tells her “it ain’t happening”, KK might immediately blame KB. If KB hadn’t had that baby, hadn’t moved here, he’d be mine. IF KK wanted to be with P Thanksgiving but he tells her, “I’ll have my daughter, I’m picking her up at one-ish, for dinner.” KK would know, KB is in town & will be home. Speculation o LE.

Aside: I don’t think KB intended to go to P’s for Thanksgiving. I think she may have implied she would not be alone, not wanting her mom to be sad for her or question her on her relationship status. Jmo
(Last year, I went to family holiday dinner with my date. It was the longest, most brutal day of my life. I’d rather have wisdom teeth pulled w/o anesthesia, too many questions,
Iykwim). I also find nothing unusual abt not celebrating Thanksgiving. My neighbor did laundry, had clothes on the clothesline and her husband seeded the lawn. People celebrate how they like.

As far as we know, P has no other children, correct?

As far as we know, PF has no other children, again as far as we know...I’m wondering if he does...

 

[Charlot123]

And this certainly isn’t “entertainment”

No. It is horrible.