CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[Irmese]

Ok, but how could she not be seen to be connected. Even if they somehow were never seen together , which I doubt. They owned horses together according to the recent MSM daily mail article.

The police would look for every person her had a business connection with in Idaho for sure. friends. She was a talker. It was impossible it wouldn't come out, one way or another.

It defies common sense.

For us, yes. I'm pretty sure both PF and KK thought they wouldn't get caught.

 

[PommyMommy]

She doesn’t want to go to prison, is my guess. She’s scared. Sometimes these things sound like a good idea, I guess, but there’s so darn many pesky details a pissed off person forgets.
IMO, LE working all available camera footage. IMO, The day is coming they can put a vehicle in the area of the condo. A vehicle that had no biz in that vicinity.

I just flipped thru some previous articles, it remains unclear, did P pick the baby up or did K drop the baby off?

Per WPPD, PF picked up the baby on 11/22. A neighbor said she saw his red truck parked sideways in KB's driveway between 12:30 and 1:00 pm.

 

[dkryder]

Yeah, doesn't make a lot of sense does it?

In the earlier threads, I think we came to a general consensus that this is what PF told CB, and when the aunt took to SM (to request truckers be on the lookout, for one) she posted the information and was later asked by CB to delete it.

It really confused things but I believe it was the family's understanding at the time. There's an article that quotes cousin JG, after the family heard about the ID phone ping, saying they considered it may be true that KB was traveling to WA because her grandmother was in poor health.
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MOO

ok, thanks. it's interesting to me that if PF did tell CB that KB broke up with him then that maybe the one truth that PF let slip and probably the reason KB is no longer alive. but, just my opinion.

 

[MassGuy]

So that I don’t have to read 30 pages, did more of the R’s interview air last night? Because if we don’t get some new info to chew on soon, we’re going to pin the Kennedy assassination on PF and KK.

I have to admit, I got some sick satisfaction out of the Daily Mail’s “hit piece” today.

I made a long post, initially defending these people.

I was definitely wrong there.

Once we see this probable cause affidavit, I think we are going to see this for what it is. Pretty simple.

Just look at the Closs case. That thread went absolutely nuts for a good couple months. Then out of nowhere, everything suddenly made sense.

Things we thought were relevant were not.

Complicated theories were discredited.

A perfect crime wasn’t so perfect anymore.

 

[Esma]

Sheesh! Bad guy and a bad way for him to go!

Yes, it was pretty ugly. They had him awake off of the Propofol for several hours before questioning him and I had to give a ton of pain meds in the interim. Propofol takes about 20 minutes once off to wake up. When they questioned him they videotaped the whole thing with me, the intensivist MD and LE throughout the questioning and his responses via nodding yes or no, and finally the signing of his admission of murder on the clipboard. They kept his non-writing hand cuffed to the bed. They are all about protocol. It was surreal. But I digress off topic. The point is in both psych or medical situations- the MD has the first say over LE. Usually that's not an issue and they work well together. So if KK is in this situation, she would have very limited time to avoid LE.

 

[SoVeryMe]

I had a patient in ICU that killed his wife and then drank Pool Shock treatment. He was still in ICU on the vent with his entire GI tract black/no tongue left (sorry to be graphic) and hours to live d/t peritonitis and the cops stood outside the door and talked with the docs about waking him up to talk to him. He was on Propofol drip while on the vent. They had to have a quick ethics committee meeting to decide. They did allow it, stopped the Propofol and he admitted he killed his wife via pen and clipboard. So yes, Medical has the first say.

That’s crazy!!! I’ve never encountered anything like that! Interesting to see the dynamic of medical and LE. And as you stated although medical has the first say they are far more often than not more than willing to work with LE. I’m glad they were able to get a confession out of him....his in-laws deserved that.

 

[NCTeacher]

Ok, but how could she not be seen to be connected. Even if they somehow were never seen together , which I doubt. They owned horses together according to the recent MSM daily mail article.

The police would look for every person her had a business connection with in Idaho for sure. friends. She was a talker. It was impossible it wouldn't come out, one way or another.

It defies common sense.

My only explanation is that he/they never expected him to be investigated that deeply because he had an "alibi."

There would be no need to examine his business relationships because how could he have done it? It was set up to indicate that KB was clearly in a different state than him on 11/25 as "she" was texting on the road to Washington. Sometime, after that point in time, she and her phone just magically vanish into thin air. Given that she left without her own vehicle, she must be commuting via hitchhiking or public transportation, a clear vulnerability for an attractive, petite, young woman. Some crazy kook must've got her, or because of rumors, she just completely flipped her lid and is off being crazy somewhere on her own, to be filed away with the thousands upon thousands of other missing persons. Either way, no way PF could've done it, so case goes cold.

I guess that was his plan. That, or as someone else just mentioned, to set up KK.

 

[Esma]

So...he wants everyone to believe she "went crazy," left on foot WITH THE BABY in order to walk to his ranch, drop her off with him, and then continue on foot--and at no point did he ask her "where's your vehicle?" OR he wants people to believe she "went crazy" but not crazy enough to walk with the baby and return home in her vehicle, just crazy enough to leave the house at that point on foot...

Sheesh. For 2 months of planning, he sure didn't take notes on other local, disappearance-as-murder-coverups.

NOT with the baby.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

I know KK is looking more and more guilty, especially after the R's interview, but reading through the posts, I just had a thought of how KK could possibly be slightly less guilty.

***SPECULATION***

What if she said no to all 3 requests for her to kill KB and she thought the conversation was over. Then Thanksgiving rolled around and KK and PF made plans to spend it together in CO. Little did KK realize, but PF planned to kill KB at this time. Once she arrived, the deed was done and PF convinced KK to take some of KB's stuff. She was so caught off guard/scared since she realized he actually killed someone, she just did as he asked. In this scenario, she still could have gone to LE early on, even before the R's contacted them.

 

[Herat]

Even with the 'went crazy' bit, what did she do, hitchhike to Idaho? He couldn't possibly think people would believe that even a crazy person would hitchhike and not simply turn around and get their own vehicle. The only way it would be remotely believable is if she was having a bipolar reckless-I'm-invincible manic episode. Here and now, thinking back to my Abnormal Psych class, it just is absurd.

But maybe he didn't consider all of that and thought because it sounds "crazy" it would be something a "crazy" person would do.

There were several posts many threads ago about why KB's car was still there.

The ones I like best were that her car keys were in her purse, which was destroyed or put in a place no one could find ( like down a mine shaft) so there were no keys for the murderer to drive the vehicle away for the diversion.

 

[MassGuy]

I know KK is looking more and more guilty, especially after the R's interview, but reading through the posts, I just had a thought of how KK could possibly be slightly less guilty.

***SPECULATION***

What if she said no to all 3 requests for her to kill KB and she thought the conversation was over. Then Thanksgiving rolled around and KK and PF made plans to spend it together in CO. Little did KK realize, but PF planned to kill KB at this time. Once she arrived, the deed was done and PF convinced KK to take some of KB's stuff. She was so caught off guard/scared since she realized he actually killed someone, she just did as he asked. In this scenario, she still could have gone to LE early on, even before the R's contacted them.

I find this plausible. In that case, the solicitation attempts may have greased the wheels a bit, and made her more receptive to helping this guy.

 

[Trudie]

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[Herat]

I know KK is looking more and more guilty, especially after the R's interview, but reading through the posts, I just had a thought of how KK could possibly be slightly less guilty.

***SPECULATION***

What if she said no to all 3 requests for her to kill KB and she thought the conversation was over. Then Thanksgiving rolled around and KK and PF made plans to spend it together in CO. Little did KK realize, but PF planned to kill KB at this time. Once she arrived, the deed was done and PF convinced KK to take some of KB's stuff. She was so caught off guard/scared since she realized he actually killed someone, she just did as he asked. In this scenario, she still could have gone to LE early on, even before the R's contacted them.

But it doesn't explain the intensely sticky question as to why would KK go visit PF if he had also threatened her children ?

 

[Herat]

I find this plausible. In that case, the solicitation attempts may have greased the wheels a bit, and made her more receptive to helping this guy.

She's then an Accessory After the Fact and facing prison.

Do they still have prison rodeos or did I see that in some movie?

She could still be Prison Rodeo Queen.

 

[cluciano63]

Love your post. Except I don’t think LE would give two cents about KK’s responsibilities. If they had enough, she would be Locked up now.

I agree. Am wondering if actual evidence of a crime on her part is hard to nail down.

 

[MassGuy]

She's then an Accessory After the Fact and facing prison

This would explain the lack of charges and possible immunity.

This would be the only circumstance that I would be receptive to such a deal.

I think the prosecution would feel the same way.

 

[Trudie]

“Our niece is missing ... She broke up with her ex on Thanksgiving, he said she dropped off the baby and was heading to Soap Lake Washington to visit.”
— Kelsey Berreth's aunt, posting on a Facebook group
Kelsey Berreth: Police Search Fiancé’s Ranch In Hunt For Missing Colorado Mom

@PommyMommy

This is what made me think about discrepancies.

 

[PommyMommy]

Right, yo

I know,. But, your earlier post, I believe thecaunt was quoted “she dropped baby off”, if not your post, I apologize, in advance. Just made me think of all the discrepancies. Tysm

That was the family's understanding at that time. PF's story apparently changed - maybe after he was told that his truck was seen at CB's home.
MOO

 

[Herat]

What still makes no sense to me is why take the phone to Idaho?

It's like hot potato, I would imagine if you are discussing murder. "Not near my house, Not near mine. If I get caught you get caught"

So why take the phone to Idaho?

If she had dropped the phone off the the outer reaches of the Rampart Ridge Road, she would not be in the crosshairs she is now

 

[cluciano63]

I obviously don’t know her, but when I don’t know people, I like to play the odds.

When she was first approached, and she told her friend about it, I take this at face value.

It’s far more likely than her trying to set up some sort of deniability.

I think she said no.

When there were subsequent attempts made to solicit her help, I think she may have warmed up to the idea.

Here’s where I’m less confident:

Did she ultimately agree to help him with the events surrounding the murder (lookout, cleanup, etc)?

Or did he contact her after he killed Kelsey, and then ask for her help?

Either way, she knew what she was helping with.

LE was very quick to arrest PF. Very slow to take action against KK. Can they prove anything against her...or just speculate, or maybe all circumstantial...is my concern. Or is she more useful as a chief witness against him.