CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[dkryder]

Imagine KK’s drive home. Her heart had to be pounding.
Think of the paranoia each time LE vehicles passed her, lol. I’m sure she was running on adrenaline and caffeine.
I would have to confess. I’d be a nervous wreck.

yeah, i've never understood how in the heck it just does not phase some of these killers.

 

[Esma]

Because they don't want to consider the alternative.

So we can agree that PF fed them a line if BS about her departure. ‘We broke up’ setting the stage for drama was occurring. Aunt and mom are sent down this road thinking she left and PF is truthful. Natural first response is to believe. But you can hear the mixed emotions and the entire family saying she is stable, never done anything like this before, out of character. They don’t want to consider a different reality. Again, normal. The text sent to PF will be interesting, yet so predictable.

 

[skyedaze]

I don't give them any credit with the progression of the case. By their own admission by the time they called to report- Dec 17 the police already had a search warrant for KK's property.
LE were way ahead of the R's.

Yeah...sort of like oh cr@p guess we had better speak up before LE is at OUR doors with a search warrant.

 

[NCTeacher]

yeah, i've never understood how in the heck it just does not phase some of these killers.

I feel awful when I accidentally impose on somebody, I cannot imagine deliberately, maliciously, and permanently imposing on somebody and not being phased. It requires a mindset that I cannot relate to whatsoever.

 

[Trudie]

clu, I think LE has her dead to rights on accessory after the fact r/t the disposal of the cell phone/sending the texts to KB's employer, etc.

ITA w/ you that LE faces a greater challenge trying to both determine the scope of her involvement and to trace back her movements and gather all the evidence against her than they have with nailing PF.

It would be a horrible miscarriage of justice if the DA cut a deal prematurely only to discover too late that she had any type of active role in KB's murder. IMO, LE is being rightfully cautious and methodical...letting her talk and then seeing if she's being truthful and whether what she's giving them has real evidentiary value in the case against PF.

With regard to anything issuing forth out of KK's pie-hole, LE should be adopting a
strict "(Mis)trust and (Triple) Verify" policy. JMO.

Do you know if CO allows “deals” prior to an arrest?
My state does not. Usually, around pretrial time, a deal comes up. Tia
I’m curious, if she’s not arrested, would they threaten arrest?
*in my state, one can be charged (not arrested) but must appear in court (for the record) prior to deals. In a felony, there must be an arrest, to begin the process.

 

[PommyMommy]

Could be the motive.

We tossed that idea around 20 ways to Sunday. It never did jive for me considering, for one, KB and CB spoke twice that day on the phone and KB told CB she had dinner plans with PF.
MOO

 

[Deleted member 718]

Go back and listen to the CBS video of CB, and think about what the Aunt reported. Can’t you hear that they all think she has it the road but isn’t like her to do? CB doesn’t want to go down that road, that something else has happened (her murder in CO) , her Aunt says they broke up and she left to see family- They are all believing the story given by PF in the beginning that KB left!

I know right? But then I read this today that maybe KK was sending the Bs texts. Which is really sick if she did.

Couple who exposed Patrick Frazee knew he planned to murder Kelsey Berreth weeks before her death | Daily Mail Online

"The couple also claimed that Lee had been in possession of Berreth's phone - which had pinged off a cell tower in a nearby town just a few days after she went missing - and that she had sent texts to Berreth's family and employer in the days after the woman disappeared."

 

[Artis]

To me it means PF wasn't waiting for a divorce to be with KKLRQ. And if KK was hoping that once she was free he would, well, it sucks to be her.

What's your take on it Esma?

lol @ KKLRQ

 

[LovesPeace2]

Could the FBI have Idaho nurse and just not said ? Are they required to tell you if they have arrested her? I'm Canadian and I don't think our equivalent has to release the info to public

 

[GordianKnot]

Do you know if CO allows “deals” prior to an arrest?
My state does not. Usually, around pretrial time, a deal comes up. Tia
I’m curious, if she’s not arrested, would they threaten arrest?

Trudie, HIANALOLE, but you ask some great questions! I'd like to know the answers, too. We have a bunch of attorneys on the thread; hopefully one of them will see your post and respond.

 

[Esma]

I know right? But then I read this today that maybe KK was sending the Bs texts. Which is really sick if she did.

Couple who exposed Patrick Frazee knew he planned to murder Kelsey Berreth weeks before her death | Daily Mail Online

"The couple also claimed that Lee had been in possession of Berreth's phone - which had pinged off a cell tower in a nearby town just a few days after she went missing - and that she had sent texts to Berreth's family and employer in the days after the woman disappeared."

I’m referring to the phone conversation PF had with CB. Is it clear that both the aunt and CB talked to him on the phone? We know that CB did, is this what he told her and she shared it with the Aunt or did they both talk to him? Either way, I get the plot. He was sending the story that she left.

 

[NCTeacher]

I know right? But then I read this today that maybe KK was sending the Bs texts. Which is really sick if she did.

Couple who exposed Patrick Frazee knew he planned to murder Kelsey Berreth weeks before her death | Daily Mail Onlinea

"The couple also claimed that Lee had been in possession of Berreth's phone - which had pinged off a cell tower in a nearby town just a few days after she went missing - and that she had sent texts to Berreth's family and employer in the days after the woman disappeared."

Right? I imagine something like "Hey mom, I'm okay. I need a break. Talk to you soon."

I don't think it's within WS rules to say what I think of that.

 

[cluciano63]

We tossed that idea around 20 ways to Sunday. It never did jive for me considering, for one, KB and CB spoke twice that day on the phone and KB told CB she had dinner plans with PF.
MOO

A break-up that day sure wasn’t the motive if he had planned it for months.

 

[Kapua]

This is pretty typical at the beginning. Everyone is in shock and they don't want to believe anything else. They also don't believe in the evilness in people around them. (unless it is a hx of DV, thats different)

If PF presented to everyone as a relatively nice guy, you don't even believe it could be a possibility that he was involved and she is missing. That happens as the shock wears off and logic kicks in.

Been there, done that..

Only in hindsight did one of the B family say that PF was "an odd duck". (The cousin JG, IIRC.) But I am sure that they never in their wildest dreams would have imagined him to be a murderer.

 

[PommyMommy]

I know right? But then I read this today that maybe KK was sending the Bs texts. Which is really sick if she did.

Couple who exposed Patrick Frazee knew he planned to murder Kelsey Berreth weeks before her death | Daily Mail Online

"The couple also claimed that Lee had been in possession of Berreth's phone - which had pinged off a cell tower in a nearby town just a few days after she went missing - and that she had sent texts to Berreth's family and employer in the days after the woman disappeared."

BBM

That has to be bad reporting. Nobody here heard that in the R's interview, right? Unless the Daily Mail has heard some part of the interview that we haven't, that's a mistake.
MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

What still makes no sense to me is why take the phone to Idaho?

It's like hot potato, I would imagine if you are discussing murder. "Not near my house, Not near mine. If I get caught you get caught"

So why take the phone to Idaho?

Pure Stupidity.
Thinking they can get away with murder, and fake messsges. Thinking everyone would buy their horse maneur story that KB took off.
Because even Donkey Friend CK claimed she took off before. Wonder where He is now and what he would have to say.

 

[Trudie]

Only in hindsight did one of the B family say that PF was "an odd duck". (The cousin JG, IIRC.) But I am sure that they never in their wildest dreams would have imagined him to be a murderer.

No, I wouldn’t think so. The pic of P/K/infant they look so happy. Like any other family.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

This is what inevitably happens in cases like this.

Weeks go by without any new information, and we latch on to every new revelation.

We end up complicating something that probably isn’t that complicated, and forget what initially pointed us in one direction in the first place.

Could KK be some diabolical criminal mastermind who pushed poor PF to murder the mother of his child?

I absolutely don’t believe that, and it’s not because I think she is in any way likable.

Just because we don’t see a likely motive for him, but can quite easily come up with a plausible motive for her, doesn’t mean that she drove this.

It doesn’t work like that.

We don’t know what we don’t know, but we do know quite a bit.

PF isn’t behind bars because KK put him there. He is behind bars because law enforcement, and the DA, have evidence that he is intimately involved in this.

They know Kelsey is dead, where she died, and who killed her.

This isn’t based solely on the words of KK.

I do think she is more involved than simply sending some texts and dumping a cell phone.

But I think imaginations are running wild.

I agree with you, MassGuy, even though I don't particularly care for your football team. IMHO, imaginations are being well fueled by those two folks we watched last night. I have an opinion about them too, but I can't help but think their interview was cut so short because the station was politely (?) asked to cut them short. It remains to be seen if the reporter will be asked politely (? again) to cease and desist on any more witness interviews, if ya know what I mean.
LE said in their presser way back when that this case was complicated and digital. I can't see where we will hear anything new for at LEAST for a couple more weeks.
MOO, MOO

 

[srg]

On a side note, as I think about the crimes, and I watch these people make mistake after mistake.... I wonder, are these people THAT stupid because I would never and I would've done it this way or that way... or am I (and fellow sleuthers) just exceptionally smart and savvy? lol...

Agree! I too feel baffled by these people’s audacious, unkind, and seemingly unintelligent thinking, The lack of common sense and pragmatism is unbelievable.

Then I remember that by default people who commit these types of crimes do not have common sense, nor effective problem solving skills, or empathy. Thus, murder seems like excellent idea for these people, which is so sick.

They don’t think like normal people and miss common sense stuff and how the dots are connected. Comes across as very bizarre and possibly stupid.

MOO

 

[Aydrianna523]

We tossed that idea around 20 ways to Sunday. It never did jive for me considering, for one, KB and CB spoke twice that day on the phone and KB told CB she had dinner plans with PF.
MOO

Yeah. The only scenario I can think of is that she might have decided to stay friends with pf because they had a child. You would think by now Kelsey might have caught wind of some of PF's ways. It's pretty hard to hide his anger issues it sounds like. But it's just one scenario of many...