CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #31 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

JMO
I wonder if there was another phone or two that PF or KK was using and maybe it ends up being involved in this case. If PF had a person on the side in Idaho that he was seeing then I do think its possible there was another phone or two involved that may have been used.

It sure seemed like he gave up his phone too easily at first. Maybe he had another phone that had all the goods on it.

Yes, maybe when he went to give his client his "new" number, it was actually the phone he'd been using for other communications? Bet LE got THAT phone when they arrested him. JMT

 

[Tricia]

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Thanks,
Tricia

 

[Kapua]

I missed many posts, but last thread someone mentioned that we know that KK was in CO on Saturday. Do we know that from the Sonic video? Or LE. You would think someone saw her there.
R's didn't say which day she left. I don't think they gave a timeline. It seemed like they meant the weekend, though.
I had thought she was in town when the murders occurred, but perhaps she could have gone there to get the phone as poster mentioned. New thought for me.

We really don't have a timeline from a reliable source for when KK was in CO. That allows for her spending any amount of time there from Nov. 22 to Nov 25. Maybe she was in town when the murder occurred, maybe she was only there on the 25th to pick up the phone, maybe she was there on the 24th-25th. And where did she stay if she was there for more than a day? I'm sure LE knows. But we don't.

 

[SandyQLS]

They knew FBI was at KKs, they had to know it was just matter of time before this came back to them. So they come forward, with their fake concern for Kelsey's mom, boohoo hoo.
If they truly cared they would have blown the lid off this at the first word of the murder plot.
Now I believe they are just in CYA mode, and trying to obstruct through hearsay.
MOO

I can't seem to multi-quote but referencing @Seattle1's link post: ITA with you. KK lives in the rural area nearer Hansen than TF town proper. When the FBI came with SW's this was a very big deal, and the texts & calls rumor mill reported it all over. Then MrsR decides she better call CBI. That's why her stories won't add up - the R's never called until it was CYA time. The more important point is that the FBI came with SW's to KK's on Monday Dec 17 which may indicate she was not at that time cooperating.

Dec 14-15-16 Fri-Sat-Sun - SW's at SF/PF ranchette
Dec 17 Mon - FBI with SW's at KK house
Dec 17 Mon - 5 LE cars storm back to SF/PF ranchette then leave
Dec 18 Tue - PF goes to the WM dump
Dec 19 Wed - LE returns for 3rd time to KB townhome
Dec 20 Thu - LE is seen removing large objects from KB townhome after dark
Dec 21 Fri - PF arrested first thing in the morning

I don't remember any of this information about simultaneous SW's in Idaho back at the time Dec 17. KK had not been revealed yet and the media focus was on PF and WP/Florissant.

If I have the dates wrong, please do advise.

 

[Seattle1]

I have gone through this in my mind a hundred times. Why would PF want to kill KB? For that matter, why would anyone kill except in self defense?! I have read every post here, every news account. I have stayed with the issue of custody of baby K. I have decided PF is a murderer and needs the dp. Then we heard about KK and I decided she is equally as guilty but I don’t even know what’s true, except that a beautiful young mother is dead. She is the victim.

This morning, or sometime during the night I wondered what KB was like. Why did this happen to her? We have not seen one friend come forward, one coworker, nor a peep from past romantic relationships. Nothing.

With Laci Peterson, all her friends came out to her vigils, gave interviews, etc. same with Shanaan Watts and others. I am puzzled.

I am wondering if after helping KB move to CO, PF realized he didn’t love her but she became pregnant. He told her he didn’t love her and didn’t want to marry her. She couldn’t or wouldn’t accept that. She was basically a loner and he was her whole life. She wanted a home and life with him and he said no. Maybe he told her he would help her move back home and they could set up a schedule for him to visit the baby. And then bingo, she bought a home. Took him by surprise. And maybe the reason he kept baby K a lot was because KB wanted to believe they would grow close and he would still marry her. Maybe he began to dream of ways to get rid of her. Maybe he had known KK for years and confided in her that he didn’t know what to do any longer and couldn’t get her to leave town. Maybe this is when he began to solicit help in her demise. All the while, KB would not give up. This is where I stop.......

No reason to ever kill someone! I’m not blaming the victim here. What I am saying is maybe he had no coping skills, nothing inside him to know what to do. He likely told his family how he felt or maybe not at all. Maybe he didn’t want to be seen as a wimp who couldn’t handle it.

All other reasons aren’t making sense to me. He wasn’t married to her. He got to see baby k all the time. He had family and friends, as he was in his own environment so to speak. Nothing makes sense. He had cheated on other women before so surely he felt no guilt at doing that.
He had a decent income and I for sure do not believe he was in love with KK. There is a missing link here. Could this be it?

First article I recall with quotes from friends/co-workers published Sunday.
Who was Kelsey Berreth? Quiet life apparently ends in tragedy

ETA: If you hit paywall, see the Media thread for summary.

 

[Love Never Fails]

First article I recall with quotes from friends/co-workers published Sunday.
Who was Kelsey Berreth? Quiet life apparently ends in tragedy

Hi thanks. I couldn’t read it because you have to subscribe to the paper to do so. I remember only one coworker before Doss ( and I believe that was her supervisor) saying she was quiet and kept to herself. And I remember one person quoting KB that she told them she was getting married in February 2017. Other than that, I only remember her family speaking of her.

 

[riolove77]

And the prelim takes the place of the grand jury, correct? Some states forego a prelim and require an indictment via GJ, but CO goes the prelim route.

Correct.

 

[Aydrianna523]

I have gone through this in my mind a hundred times. Why would PF want to kill KB? For that matter, why would anyone kill except in self defense?! I have read every post here, every news account. I have stayed with the issue of custody of baby K. I have decided PF is a murderer and needs the dp. Then we heard about KK and I decided she is equally as guilty but I don’t even know what’s true, except that a beautiful young mother is dead. She is the victim.

This morning, or sometime during the night I wondered what KB was like. Why did this happen to her? We have not seen one friend come forward, one coworker, nor a peep from past romantic relationships. Nothing.

With Laci Peterson, all her friends came out to her vigils, gave interviews, etc. same with Shanaan Watts and others. I am puzzled.

I am wondering if after helping KB move to CO, PF realized he didn’t love her but she became pregnant. He told her he didn’t love her and didn’t want to marry her. She couldn’t or wouldn’t accept that. She was basically a loner and he was her whole life. She wanted a home and life with him and he said no. Maybe he told her he would help her move back home and they could set up a schedule for him to visit the baby. And then bingo, she bought a home. Took him by surprise. And maybe the reason he kept baby K a lot was because KB wanted to believe they would grow close and he would still marry her. Maybe he began to dream of ways to get rid of her. Maybe he had known KK for years and confided in her that he didn’t know what to do any longer and couldn’t get her to leave town. Maybe this is when he began to solicit help in her demise. All the while, KB would not give up. This is where I stop.......

No reason to ever kill someone! I’m not blaming the victim here. What I am saying is maybe he had no coping skills, nothing inside him to know what to do. He likely told his family how he felt or maybe not at all. Maybe he didn’t want to be seen as a wimp who couldn’t handle it.

All other reasons aren’t making sense to me. He wasn’t married to her. He got to see baby k all the time. He had family and friends, as he was in his own environment so to speak. Nothing makes sense. He had cheated on other women before so surely he felt no guilt at doing that.
He had a decent income and I for sure do not believe he was in love with KK. There is a missing link here. Could this be it?

I still think it's over money, or her leaving/breaking up, or an offended ego. It also takes a lot of money for child support. 18 years worth. That's a more common motive. Imo he didn't kill her because of her not leaving town, or his not wanting to marry her. KK wanted to be with him as well, and she's alive. She drove 800 miles to see him.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I still think it's over money, or her leaving/breaking up, or an offended ego. It also takes a lot of money for child support. 18 years worth. That's a more common motive. Imo he didn't kill her because of her not leaving town, or his not wanting to marry her. KK wanted to be with him as well, and she's alive. She drove 800 miles to see him.

You might be right. But with KK, he had a lot of distance between them. As far as money, they both worked and had an income. Only the beneficiary of life insurance gets the money so if she had any, I bet she put her mom as the beneficiary. So many men and women pay child support. I can’t see that as reason for murder. But then...there is no good reason. Maybe that’s it. My mind just can’t conceive it at all. And if he was the good dad he “appeared”to be, he would not mind paying child support and more. I am sure the DA will figure it out. I just don’t understand anyone using murder as an option.

 

[Seattle1]

Hi thanks. I couldn’t read it because you have to subscribe to the paper to do so. I remember only one coworker before Doss ( and I believe that was her supervisor) saying she was quiet and kept to herself. And I remember one person quoting KB that she told them she was getting married in February 2017. Other than that, I only remember her family speaking of her.

See article in Media thread
CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[susiQ]

I still do not think CB's abuse in the media is appropriate. But please note, that's MOO and it's from someone who has a hideous parent set and works in life insurance. I've heard stories that I can guarantee are worse, far far worse. The actions shown would be cause to have the call ended and contact restricted. Expressing aggression because one is in deep pain is not an acceptable behavior. Otherwise, well, Joe can smack his wife because he was hurt becomes acceptable.

CB, KB's brother, has not shown "aggression". He is in deep, inconsolable pain. My heart bleeds for their loss not to mention having to listen to the crap released by the R's. Also, CB hasn't "smacked" anyone. JMO
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[Love Never Fails]

See article in Media thread
CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*

Thank you, I read that. They all say she was quiet.

 

[Hatfield]

You might be right. But with KK, he had a lot of distance between them. As far as money, they both worked and had an income. Only the beneficiary of life insurance gets the money so if she had any, I bet she put her mom as the beneficiary. So many men and women pay child support. I can’t see that as reason for murder. But then...there is no good reason. Maybe that’s it. My mind just can’t conceive it at all. And if he was the good dad he “appeared”to be, he would not mind paying child support and more. I am sure the DA will figure it out. I just don’t understand anyone using murder as an option.

JMO
There really is never a good enough reason why these killers do what they do. We need to be thankful we dont think like they do and we cant figure out a good enough reason.

With that said, my best guess is a simple one. I think he was selfish and got tired of knowing what was ahead for him with the shared custody agreements or lack thereof, and the likely attachment his Mom was starting to have with the grandchild.

I think he simply decided that by elminating her he can never have to share the child again and his Mom would basically raise the child for him.
And he gets the added benefit of KK not having any competition around if he was starting to rekindle that relationship.

 

[1&2&3]

Just a thought. With KB out of the way, PF would get Social Security benefits for baby K until she was 18. That would have been a big help in raising her plus having full custody.

Wonder if KK ever mentioned the fact of SS for baby K? IMO PF was tight with his money, as it was only his, and the fact of paying child support drove him nuts. This could have been a motivator to PF in getting rid of KB.

 

[WildWest]

Have there been any happenings with lil K's custody? I recall SF was looking for custody, is lil K still "temporary" with the B's?

 

[Artis]

After this realization, Patty contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigations on Dec. 17 through the number that was posted at the bottom of Cheryl Berreth’s televised plea for help. Michelle immediately called Krystal to let her know, but she wasn’t surprised.

“The FBI was at Krystal’s house,” Patty said. “They had a search warrant and someone of the FBI was at her property. She knew that Michelle would more than likely get called because there was so many phone calls and text messages back and forth in fact some about this incident.” bbm
Part Two: Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

Thanks for this! I wonder how LE was onto KKL at that point? Was this what caused KKL to get a new phone (LE took hers as evidence) or had she done that earlier?

This gives me hope that there is another witness or witnesses who tipped LE off to KKL. That could account for wanting to keep that affidavit under seal. IIRC, a reason given was to protect witnesses and I don't believe KKL is one of them. unless she's implicated a third player which, I know, several sleuthers believe exists.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I can't seem to multi-quote but referencing @Seattle1's link post: ITA with you. KK lives in the rural area nearer Hansen than TF town proper. When the FBI came with SW's this was a very big deal, and the texts & calls rumor mill reported it all over. Then MrsR decides she better call CBI. That's why her stories won't add up - the R's never called until it was CYA time. The more important point is that the FBI came with SW's to KK's on Monday Dec 17 which may indicate she was not at that time cooperating.

Dec 14-15-16 Fri-Sat-Sun - SW's at SF/PF ranchette
Dec 17 Mon - FBI with SW's at KK house
Dec 17 Mon - 5 LE cars storm back to SF/PF ranchette then leave
Dec 18 Tue - PF goes to the WM dump
Dec 19 Wed - LE returns for 3rd time to KB townhome
Dec 20 Thu - LE is seen removing large objects from KB townhome after dark
Dec 21 Fri - PF arrested first thing in the morning

I don't remember any of this information about simultaneous SW's in Idaho back at the time Dec 17. KK had not been revealed yet and the media focus was on PF and WP/Florissant.

If I have the dates wrong, please do advise.

Time lines aren't completely clear. On the one hand we have PR saying in part two of the interview that she contacted the FBI on December 17th. The whole subtext to this "story" is that somehow it was the R's that tipped off authorities to KK. However, there is this article from today that indicates that the FBI had contacted law enforcement in Twin Falls (county and city) on December 15th. It does not indicate when search warrants were executed. If someone has a source for a date search warrants were executed in Twin Falls county that would be great.

Colorado district court: Murder case is sealed

The Twin Falls County Sheriff’s Office and the Twin Falls Police Department confirmed in a Dec. 22 statement that the agencies were contacted by the FBI on Dec. 15. The two agencies, in a joint special investigation unit, assisted the FBI in obtaining the search warrants, served multiple search warrants and “processed some items of evidence” related to Berreth’s disappearance, the statements said.​

 

[KayBe]

I know with the Social Security benefits, in my state, it is based on the child's parent's income. Experienced this when my DD died and I received custody of my grandson. They base what he gets off of his Mom's income, and I must account for it every year, and tell them how much I'm spending on his care, how much I saved, the whole nine yards.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I can't seem to multi-quote but referencing @Seattle1's link post: ITA with you. KK lives in the rural area nearer Hansen than TF town proper. When the FBI came with SW's this was a very big deal, and the texts & calls rumor mill reported it all over. Then MrsR decides she better call CBI. That's why her stories won't add up - the R's never called until it was CYA time. The more important point is that the FBI came with SW's to KK's on Monday Dec 17 which may indicate she was not at that time cooperating.

Dec 14-15-16 Fri-Sat-Sun - SW's at SF/PF ranchette
Dec 17 Mon - FBI with SW's at KK house
Dec 17 Mon - 5 LE cars storm back to SF/PF ranchette then leave
Dec 18 Tue - PF goes to the WM dump
Dec 19 Wed - LE returns for 3rd time to KB townhome
Dec 20 Thu - LE is seen removing large objects from KB townhome after dark
Dec 21 Fri - PF arrested first thing in the morning

I don't remember any of this information about simultaneous SW's in Idaho back at the time Dec 17. KK had not been revealed yet and the media focus was on PF and WP/Florissant.

If I have the dates wrong, please do advise.

MSM reports the search warrants were served in Idaho on Dec 15th. So about the same time as the search at the Ranchette.

"On Dec. 15, the FBI contacted Twin Falls police and sheriff’s office to request assistance in the ongoing investigation into Berreth’s disappearance, police said in the release. Officials did not provide any details into what evidence may have been found or where authorities had served the search warrants."
Possible evidence in Kelsey Berreth investigation found in Idaho


"Twin Falls, Idaho police announced Saturday on the city's website that the FBI had reached out to their department and the Twin Falls County Sheriff's Office to ask for their help on Dec. 15.

Investigators with both departments worked with the FBI and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to prepare and serve several search warrants and process some items of evidence in the case of missing 29-year-old Woodland Park mom Kelsey Berreth."
FBI reached out to Twin Falls police to process evidence related to Kelsey Berreth's disappearance

 

[Lhughessk]

You might be right. But with KK, he had a lot of distance between them. As far as money, they both worked and had an income. Only the beneficiary of life insurance gets the money so if she had any, I bet she put her mom as the beneficiary. So many men and women pay child support. I can’t see that as reason for murder. But then...there is no good reason. Maybe that’s it. My mind just can’t conceive it at all. And if he was the good dad he “appeared”to be, he would not mind paying child support and more. I am sure the DA will figure it out. I just don’t understand anyone using murder as an option.

The thing about ranchers is, they don’t like anyone nosing around their money. There’s a lot of under the table transactions that go on to avoid taxes so the less scrutiny, the better. PF in a custody battle would have to provide documentation of his income.

In CO I believe the general rule is that child support is 20% of the combined gross income of both parents, split in two. So simple example - if each of them grossed $75k, then support would be 20% of $150k which is $30k. PF would pay half that, or $15k. This formula can be tweaked if one parent makes a lot more money than the other.

And with some men, particularly in that cowboy/ranching lifestyle, it’s less about the amount of money and more about the loss of control. They hate to have someone else such as an ex or the government telling them what they have to contribute, and then they don’t get any say in how that money gets used. And many fail to understand why they can’t go buy clothes for their non-custodial kid and deduct it from their child support payment.