CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #32 *ARREST*

[Concernedmamaof3]

P was a good ol boy, loved by the good ol boy community here in teller county. This is the only reason I can see why so many people here defend him. It's sick. If it was anyone else, an "outsider" , a "non-native" , a pot smoker, non Christian, these people would crucify them. But Bc he's one of
Them,
The town is quiet, the FB pages are heavily moderated and you better keep your mouth shut if you think he is guilty. That's how I feel any way, IMO MOO.

Good to have you back by the way! Do you think these people will even believe the evidence once it is released or are they stubborn enough that they will believe it is just him being "railroaded"?

 

[Trudie]

I know my anger is not at all aimed at you. It's for the people talking,and gushing over <modsnip - demeaning nickname > and others that have spoken to the media, Including CK <modsnip> and this Rodeo Association Friend.
So concerned with what the public think of them, PF,and KK with absolutely Zero concern for KB,or her family.

I think they have compassion & concern for KB/family.
IMO, the “people” you reference are standing by their friend/s, friends they can’t comprehend engaging in criminal behavior, as they know them. IMO, they want & need to see the evidence. Jmo
If I learn ANY friend of mine killed his SO, I would not believe it, not until I heard the facts.
Moo

 

[?mysterian?]

Hello everyone, I have been reading on websleuths for quite some time, but this is my first post. I can’t seem to keep up with reading the threads, so I always feel like I am late to the party. The wit and intelligence displayed here can be very refreshing and enlightening. You all need to become journalists and return some dignity to that profession. Anyways...

I would like to weigh in on the discussion regarding how KKL might have traveled to CO and back.

I regularly make a 10hr drive, and have done 15hr straight. I have driven 20hrs round trip in under 72hrs. That was tiring but possible. As an experienced driver in decent physical condition I find it is not difficult, but almost relaxing at times and good for thinking. I am older than KKL but might be in better shape. No Sonic burgers for me, lol.

But when I read the post in which Gardener1850 postulated that KKL took a private plane, I had to consider this a real possibility for several reasons.

I have friends who are pilots, and I’m not all that well connected or anything. It may be more common in some places than people think. When I have been to small airports, the atmosphere (as I believe Dave F mentioned) can be quite casual. I have been to very small airports where I saw no one other than the pilot I was with. Seems crazy in this modern era but this has been recently. Also they are supposed to file flight plans but do not always do so, nor do they always stick to a flight plan in practice. So she could have flown quite “under the radar” so to speak.

Someone else mentioned that CB talked about people potentially seeing KB as she drove towards Pueblo and surmised that possibly her phone had pinged in that direction, which is towards her work, an airport, which would seem logical. Let’s assume for a moment that did happen.

Then came the cellphone ping in Gooding. I remember reading that there is a landing strip there by the Snake River, within the range where the cellphone would’ve pinged that one isolated tower. I bet that landing strip is not usually overrun with people since it is out in the middle of nowhere. I am just guessing here.

The reason I think this is so plausible is because I think PF and KKL could have thought it was really clever to make it appear that KB had flown somewhere. Maybe some shady associate of KKL had their own reason to be in CO for Thanksgiving. KKL’s verbosity aside, the rodeo crowd is very insular and they tend to keep quiet and stand by their own. So I don’t think that individual would’ve necessarily come forward.

And, as someone else pointed out, that scenario would give some context to why BFF told the Rs that KB was a pilot “also.”

Like others have said, I am not really attached to this theory, I just believe it is way more possible than some are making it out to be.

Sorry I wrote a novella for my first post, much of it a recap, but I wanted to be thorough! Prayers to KB and family and may justice be served!

MOO.

Hey, myraesque, welcome to Websleuths!

 

[Trudie]

If I used my car during a crime, I would not blatantly park in the drive in an unusual way, in broad daylight, on a holiday. I’d park a few blocks away, I think.
Especially if I planned the crime for months. My vehicle & what to do with it definitely would have been considered.
Moo

 

[mustloveco]

I have to chuckle a little here, he's been crucified in several posts on FB; but I tend to read the ones that aren't populated by local Frazee defenders, so I think I'm missing what you're experiencing. Stay strong! We had property in Divide in Rainbow Ridge(? gosh i can't remember if it was Ridge or something else) and darn near built a house up there...then life intervened and we wound up north. But I feel like this case is in my backyard, you know? (corrected spelling)

Really? On the Woodland Park Community Page, or the Florrisant Community Page?! That is what I am referencing.

 

[soap mama]

True. Especially since we are talking about a woman who said an employee told her something someone told her that another person told her.
If that makes sense. Don't know how that works. Even if KK testified at one point as to what he said couldn't it still be hearsay? Imo

It’s not hearsay if KK says, “he said to me...”

 

[mustloveco]

Weather in Woodland Park today. Hope they made it to the landfill before the weather!!!!

 

[MsBetsy]

It’s not hearsay if KK says, “he said to me...”

Ok, thanks. I thought it was since he could say he never said that, and if it wasn't in writing or recorded there would be no way to prove it. Anyone can just say someone said anything then! I guess it would be left up to a jury to decide. Imo

 

[SoVeryMe]

Yikes!! I often squeeze in horizontally behind friends or families cars....I hope they don’t think I’m trying to control their ability to leave! Lol

I live in the sticks, where I live how you park isn’t a big deal as long as you aren’t parking in someone’s yard without permission. When I have big parties, people will pull into our size yard which is acres and not a small plot in the burbs. Additionally, I have a long single car drive way....anyone who comes to visit me blocks me in whether vertical, horizontal or at a diagonal. I’m not seeing the concern with how PF parked at KB’s place. IMO

 

[scmom]

Ok, thanks. I thought it was since he could say he never said that, and if it wasn't in writing or recorded there would be no way to prove it. Anyone can just say someone said anything then! I guess it would be left up to a jury to decide. Imo

Yeah, the hearsay comes in when either KK or PF tells someone else and that person says PF/KK told me ...

 

[Trudie]

Yikes!! I often squeeze in horizontally behind friends or families cars....I hope they don’t think I’m trying to control their ability to leave! Lol

I live in the sticks, where I live how you park isn’t a big deal as long as you aren’t parking in someone’s yard without permission. When I have big parties, people will pull into our size yard which is acres and not a small plot in the burbs. Additionally, I have a long single car drive way....anyone who comes to visit me blocks me in whether vertical, horizontal or at a diagonal. I’m not seeing the concern with how PF parked at KB’s place. IMO

Guilty of the same.
For the life of me, I fail to see how parking behind someone not trying to leave, is blocking them in.
No one reported seeing KB outside trying to leave, afaik.

 

[Bill Carson]

Hello everyone, I have been reading on websleuths for quite some time, but this is my first post. I can’t seem to keep up with reading the threads, so I always feel like I am late to the party. The wit and intelligence displayed here can be very refreshing and enlightening. You all need to become journalists and return some dignity to that profession. Anyways...

I would like to weigh in on the discussion regarding how KKL might have traveled to CO and back.

I regularly make a 10hr drive, and have done 15hr straight. I have driven 20hrs round trip in under 72hrs. That was tiring but possible. As an experienced driver in decent physical condition I find it is not difficult, but almost relaxing at times and good for thinking. I am older than KKL but might be in better shape. No Sonic burgers for me, lol.

But when I read the post in which Gardener1850 postulated that KKL took a private plane, I had to consider this a real possibility for several reasons.

I have friends who are pilots, and I’m not all that well connected or anything. It may be more common in some places than people think. When I have been to small airports, the atmosphere (as I believe Paul mentioned) can be quite casual. I have been to very small airports where I saw no one other than the pilot I was with. Seems crazy in this modern era but this has been recently. Also they are supposed to file flight plans but do not always do so, nor do they always stick to a flight plan in practice. So she could have flown quite “under the radar” so to speak.

Someone else mentioned that CB talked about people potentially seeing KB as she drove towards Pueblo and surmised that possibly her phone had pinged in that direction, which is towards her work, an airport, which would seem logical. Let’s assume for a moment that did happen.

Then came the cellphone ping in Gooding. I remember reading that there is a landing strip there by the Snake River, within the range where the cellphone would’ve pinged that one isolated tower. I bet that landing strip is not usually overrun with people since it is out in the middle of nowhere. I am just guessing here.

The reason I think this is so plausible is because I think PF and KKL could have thought it was really clever to make it appear that KB had flown somewhere. Maybe some shady associate of KKL had their own reason to be in CO for Thanksgiving. KKL’s verbosity aside, the rodeo crowd is very insular and they tend to keep quiet and stand by their own. So I don’t think that individual would’ve necessarily come forward.

And, as someone else pointed out, that scenario would give some context to why BFF told the Rs that KB was a pilot “also.”

Like others have said, I am not really attached to this theory, I just believe it is way more possible than some are making it out to be.

Sorry I wrote a novella for my first post, much of it a recap, but I wanted to be thorough! Prayers to KB and family and may justice be served!

MOO.

Welcome.

This question is for everybody: do we have any credible, verifiable information that KK had a pilot's license?

I ask because I haven't kept up with all the threads and posts, either, so I may have missed something. I see a bunch of people speculating that KK flew herself to WP and back, but I don't know if there is anything upon which to base this speculation.

By the way, there aren't any general aviation airports in Teller County, and the nearest GA airports would be in Colorado Springs, Pueblo, Canõn City, or Buena Vista. It is possible that there are small landing strips on the South Park plains east of Wilkerson Pass, but it would be like landing a plane in the bush, and it would probably draw attention.

Speculation that PF being a farrier probably knows ranchers who have landing strips.....well, I haven't seen that up here. There are no "big ranches" like that, IMO. The only terrain that would allow it anywhere near Florissant is on, as I said, the flat land to the West, and that land is pretty useless for big ranching and has been broken up into relatively small parcels and was sold back in the 60's and 70's to people who wanted "land in Colorado." That's where the infamous Robert Dear had his compound.

Edited to add a link to a map of Colorado airports.
https://www.codot.gov/programs/aeronautics/colorado-airport-system/ColoradoAirportMap

 

[Trudie]

Welcome.

This question is for everybody: do we have any credible, verifiable information that KK had a pilot's license?

I ask because I haven't kept up with all the threads and posts, either, so I may have missed something. I see a bunch of people speculating that KK flew herself to WP and back, but I don't know if there is anything upon which to base this speculation.

By the way, there aren't any general aviation airports in Teller County, and the nearest GA airports would be in Colorado Springs, Pueblo, Canõn City, or Buena Vista. It is possible that there are small landing strips on the South Park plains east of Wilkerson Pass, but it would be like landing a plane in the bush, and it would probably draw attention.

Speculation that PF being a farrier probably knows ranchers who have landing strips.....well, I haven't seen that up here. There are no "big ranches" like that, IMO. The only terrain that would allow it anywhere near Florissant is on, as I said, the flat land to the West, and that land is pretty useless for big ranching and has been broken up into relatively small parcels and was sold back in the 60's and 70's to people who wanted "land in Colorado." That's where the infamous Robert Dear had his compound.

I have not found any info KK could man an airplane, legally or illegally.
I totally rule out her flying. IMO, the last thing she wanted to do is rent a car. Jmo

Bill, I think P knows ranchers with landing strips, in more remote areas.
I don’t think he only provided farrier services in his local area.
I’ve seen it implied P has a guy or two working for him. Idk. If true, I think he performs farrier services for a few large ranches. He MIGHT have an apprentice working under him. If he didn’t have a large clientele, imo, he would not require help. IMO, when a farrier has help, he’s trimming/shoeing a large number of horses during a farm/ranch visit. Moo

 

[Bill Carson]

Oh also, what ranchers there are lease their pasture land from the federal government on National Forest or BLM land. So their own properties are not that big. They don't need to own a bunch of acreage to ranch and raise cattle because the cattle are located on public land.

MOO

 

[myraesque]

I was not postulating that she flew herself, but musing upon a previous theory that she could’ve flown with someone. Not that this is the most likely mode of travel but just that it is possible.

I don’t remember anyone suggesting KK had a pilot license?

 

[Bill Carson]

I was not postulating that she flew herself, but musing upon a previous theory that she could’ve flown with someone. Not that this is the most likely mode of travel but just that it is possible.

I don’t remember anyone suggesting KK had a pilot license?

myraesque, I apologize if I came across as dismissive of your theory. You are correct, she could have flown, maybe even a commercial flight. (Although that would leave a strong trail of breadcrumbs.)

She might have flown with another person, and she might have given them an innocent reason why she needed to be flown to Woodland Park and back. If that is true, then I'm sure that pilot-person will eventually come forward. Loose lips and all that.

Again, welcome.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Oh also, what ranchers there are lease their pasture land from the federal government on National Forest or BLM land. So their own properties are not that big. They don't need to own a bunch of acreage to ranch and raise cattle because the cattle are located on public land.

MOO

Cattle don't stay out on public range year-round. They have limits of how much of the forage they are allowed to consume, and often limits to how much streamside compaction or damage can occur each season. So in order to qualify for an allotment on public land, they need to show they have plans for the animals for the off season. That could be a home ranch, or it could be trucking them off to a finishing feedlot, or it could be selling off all but what they have room for at home.

I'm familiar with federal range allotments in CA and NV but not in CO, so this is all, pun intended, MOO

 

[myraesque]

Welcome.

This question is for everybody: do we have any credible, verifiable information that KK had a pilot's license?

I ask because I haven't kept up with all the threads and posts, either, so I may have missed something. I see a bunch of people speculating that KK flew herself to WP and back, but I don't know if there is anything upon which to base this speculation.

By the way, there aren't any general aviation airports in Teller County, and the nearest GA airports would be in Colorado Springs, Pueblo, Canõn City, or Buena Vista. It is possible that there are small landing strips on the South Park plains east of Wilkerson Pass, but it would be like landing a plane in the bush, and it would probably draw attention.

Speculation that PF being a farrier probably knows ranchers who have landing strips.....well, I haven't seen that up here. There are no "big ranches" like that, IMO. The only terrain that would allow it anywhere near Florissant is on, as I said, the flat land to the West, and that land is pretty useless for big ranching and has been broken up into relatively small parcels and was sold back in the 60's and 70's to people who wanted "land in Colorado." That's where the infamous Robert Dear had his compound.

Edited to add a link to a map of Colorado airports.
https://www.codot.gov/programs/aeronautics/colorado-airport-system/ColoradoAirportMap

I have been in a small plane that was landed in what was basically a field. And I don’t know what kind of attention it garnered but it seemed to me very little. But I am nowhere near there so I am sure you would know better than I!

 

[Bill Carson]

Cattle don't stay out on public range year-round. They have limits of how much of the forage they are allowed to consume, and often limits to how much streamside compaction or damage can occur each season. So in order to qualify for an allotment on public land, they need to show they have plans for the animals for the off season. That could be a home ranch, or it could be trucking them off to a finishing feedlot, or it could be selling off all but what they have room for at home.

I'm familiar with federal range allotments in CA and NV but not in CO, so this is all, pun intended, MOO

Thank you for the information. You know a lot more about this subject than I do. I agree that those factors about forage and compaction and all that would be extremely important. I've seen horses do enormous damage to land, causing extreme erosion problems when they either eat too much grass or simply trample it down, then water that might otherwise soak in erodes the ground instead.

 

[Vandalay Industries]

All of this parking talk, reminded me of @mustloveco (welcome back, btw!) pictures of KB's house. Her vehicles were still not in the driveway... Would LE keep them impounded for evidence, possibly? Anyone know if that is common LE practice?