CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #32 *ARREST*

[girlhasnoname]

Something enticing for PF about long distance love.

Easier to hide one's real self from a distance IMO. Hi mustloveco, good to 'see' you!

 

[Mom24]

Yes, it was quite warm on Thanksgiving, during the day. And drops pretty chilly at night, like classic Colorado weather. It was a warm weekend.

When was the first freeze in the area? I did think it was odd that they had done so much digging at the Frazee land during the search, apparently the ground wasn't frozen yet?

 

[mustloveco]

When was the first freeze in the area? I did think it was odd that they had done so much digging at the Frazee land during the search, apparently the ground wasn't frozen yet?

Not 100% but I remember we got snow pretty early.

 

[GordianKnot]

IMO what a pathetic relationship. To be running 12+ hours to see PF, leaving her kids at home or with whoever. IMO she was quite obsessed with PF. Probably made that loser PF feel like a god, so manly, having women pining after him, going far lengths to be with him. What a winner. And he is a classic narcissist manipulator, probably elevating her and making her feel amazing too. KB probably realized the craziness she got herself into. Was probably done with his BS. She was mature. He was not. Perhaps he used KK to make KB feel jealous. all imo jmo moo

BBM: mustloveco, I couldn't agree more with this. IMO, KB was wise to PF's act, i.e., his impersonation of an actual human being, long, looooong ago. I think her eyes were opened wide shortly after he "moved her out there" to CO and then proceeded to continue living at home with mommy so that she could keep his bed made, his tighty whities washed, his boots polished, etc.

I feel so incredibly sad for KB, because I think she had such hopes and dreams about this "relationship" at the beginning, and I think she was completely sucker-punched when it hit her, and by "it," I am of course referring to that cold shell of a being commonly referred to as PF.

All JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

BBM: mustloveco, I couldn't agree more with this. IMO, KB was wise to PF's act, i.e., his impersonation of an actual human being, long, looooong ago. I think her eyes were opened wide shortly after he "moved her out there" to CO and then proceeded to continue living at home with mommy so that she could keep his bed made, his tighty whities washed, his boots polished, etc.

I feel so incredibly sad for KB, because I think she had such hopes and dreams about this "relationship" at the beginning, and I think she was completely sucker-punched when it hit her, and by "it," I am of course referring to PF's moronic self.

All JMO.

True. You don’t move many hundreds of miles, pursue a relationship, have a child, and expect it to end like this.

It started out as hope, but ended as a nightmare.

 

[k-mac]

Okay, so I am new here and have been lurking for a bit. I have to say that the way people talk about KK is frustrating, imo. From what I can gather she is a garbage person, who at the very least helped hide evidence, but who cares if she is fat, ugly, etc? I feel like this always gets piled on women... She was jealous of her lover's wife. Okay, I get you... but why bring her appearance into it? She was jealous because her lover was with someone else... I bet she would be just as jealous if she weighed 110.

Sorry, my first post was a tangent. It just feels sexist and gross.

All MOO

I haven't seen any posts implying kk is ugly or fat.
only occasionally ive seen reference to how tiny and beautiful KB is. well that's just fact. so be it.
personally I think kk is quite attractive.
shes heading into middle age and has had kids so shes fuller ...that's life!
her basics are still very very attractive and if she has an awesome cowgirl go get em nature likely is hot with the cowboys.
I think she is pretty comfortable in her own skin.
she scrubs up exquisitely in her beauty queen youth pic but doesn't appear to need to be glammed up out and about nowadays at horse shows etc.

good for her I say!

I am not suggesting she is a nice person.
just commenting on this post affended by comments on her appearance.

 

[skyedaze]

A friend just reminded me CWs son was going to be named Nico, after his gf.

How about baby K being named after KL? Say it out loud.

Just a thought.

whuuutt??
Is that her name?

 

[Dave F.]

When was the first freeze in the area? I did think it was odd that they had done so much digging at the Frazee land during the search, apparently the ground wasn't frozen yet?

The ground rarely freezes in southern Colorado. In my lifetime, I have operated the business end of a shovel for a living, in Colorado Springs, in the winter. IMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

In the Watts case, there was absolutely no evidence that the baby was named after the mistress, nor that CW chose that name. One of Shanann’s closest friends had the name “Nichole.” CW’s middle name is “Lee.”

So “Nico Lee” makes sense.

Kelsey’s first name (obviously) begins with a “K.” The baby’s name also begins with “K.”

Despite the fact that the mistress’ name also begins with a “K,” it is a stretch to read anything into this.

It’s pointless, unlikely, and unknowable.

Well MassGuy, the truth is you don’t know and neither do I. One explanation is as good as the other. And both explantations are possible.

 

[MassGuy]

Well MassGuy, the truth is you don’t know and neither do I. One explanation is as good as the other. And both explantations are possible.

Which is precisely why the speculation is pointless.

 

[jaspermac]

OK, I'm feeling that was a stupid question, but I had to ask I just have this gut feeling she's desperately trying to save herself while throwing him under the bus, not that he doesn't belong there.

Whenever you go there, step back and remember that to get an arrest warrant signed by a judge you have to have some good evidence to back it up.

They searched PF's farm more than once. They searched KB's house multiple times. They took evidence- from all of these locations including the transfer station. They have lots of digital evidence.

The LE were confident in his arrest, and were way ahead of the media and anyone on websites. They knew how complicated the case was and that they were also going to have to sift through personal statements and do follow up to determine the extent of involvement of others and decide if there were going to be additional arrests.

Unless it is in a DV situation, with history of DV. It is rare there is a spousal murder where everyone is saying Yeah, we could see he was a monster.

In most cases everyone thinks the guy was a nice guy, a good father, maybe a little quiet and not very social. And guess what, then they find out he was a murderer.

And generally when they look into his past a bit there is a history of either jealousy or affairs. It's usually just as simple as that.

Why they think they need to kill when they have affairs, I don't understand. The jealousy, is a if I can't have you, no one will.

I think PF will fall into the affairs. KL enabled it to happen. By being willing to have him broach her 3x to kill KB, that makes it more ok in his eyes. She obviously didn't completely shut him down. On top of that she may have played a more integral role- did it evolve to complete partnership in the murder? Or was she complicit and then helped in various ways.

 

[SFDukie]

It would be easy enough to check flight plan filings on the dates/areas involved. I'm not so sure about a complicit pilot though. Anything is possible...but the more folks involved, the more likely someone is going to talk. I think most people feel driving is a more private means of travel. We all know that with receipt trails, surveillance cameras,ets..that just isnt the truth..but it feels like the truth.

RE General aviation flights-they are or aren't "easy enough" to "check" Many GA pilots don't file flight plans-it's a highly personal practice, but bottom line-many careful pilots do not always file a formal flight plan with the FAA. If flight is conducted under visual flight rules-many would use flight following (which would leave a record w/ATC). But depending on circumstances, there's not a requirement for either. Take off or land at an ATC tower controlled airport (during hours tower is open) and there will be a record of that interaction with the tower.
If one is trying to hide tracks? Take off and land from non-tower controlled airports.
ID to CO and back in late fall would require a higher level of experience and planning of the pilot than most flights of that sort of distance for numerous reasons. There are big mountains in between, and on T'giving day, sky in TF was overcast. Fly through that cloud-you need deicing capability, and flight is under instrument flight rules. The slightest bit of winter weather adds much more complexity. Most cautious pilots would fly that route in late fall under instrument flight rules even in clear weather-which would leave a record of the flight.
Bottom line-I think it's highly unlikely that KK flew rt TF to CS.

 

[Love Never Fails]

whuuutt??
Is that her name?

<modsnipped name of minor> As MassGuy reminded me, she was likely named that because of her mom being named Kelsey. KB likely chose the name. My friend just thought it was quite the coincidence.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Which is precisely why the speculation is pointless.

Yes. But fun to speculate. IMO. Ha!

 

[skyedaze]

<modsnipped> As MassGuy reminded me, she was likely named that because of her mom being named Kelsey. KB likely chose the name. My friend just thought it was quite the coincidence.

Yeah weird.
Just keeps getting weirder.

 

[GordianKnot]

It was a perfect setup for him. A “fiancé” who didn’t live with him, and a girlfriend who lived hundreds of miles away.

Distance is a friend of secrecy.

Distance is definitely PF's BFF. I mean, dude is a complete numbskull, so it's hard to credit him with this level of self-awareness, but he seems to have cottoned on to the fact that the best way he could attract women would be by approaching them from a distance. That way, he could present them with a blurred/out-of-focus image of himself just long enough to get them invested in the "relationship" with him. Then they get up close and personal, clearly see him for who/what he really is, and it ain't a pretty picture.

He would be physically attractive to a lot of women who saw his profile on a website, if that is indeed how he and KB initially "met." He can probably compose simple sentences containing single-syllable words, which likely gets interpreted by a lot of women as PF being the "strong, silent" type.

I suspect the bloom comes off the rose once women actually spend any substantial amount of actual face-to-face time with him (not to be confused with Face-Time).

I'd imagine his mother popping her head in the door to his room to remind him it's time to get ready for bed and to go brush his teeth also dampens the flames quickly.

ALL JMO.

 

[InvSmith]

whuuutt??
Is that her name?

That is strange.

 

[srg]

It was a perfect setup for him. A “fiancé” who didn’t live with him, and a girlfriend who lived hundreds of miles away.

Distance is a friend of secrecy.

Agree that it was a perfect setup for PF. Could get the admiration and ego boost from KB and KK, and not to be underestimated, from his mother.

At some point, the perfect setup became extremely imperfect for PF. When? Certainly no later than September given the first solicitation for murder reportedly occurred then.

What changed in September? The solicitee(s) was more available or more intimately invested? Or KB has new romantic interest ( none that we’ve heard of)?

Puzzled by the timing of stuff.

 

[susiQ]

Whenever you go there, step back and remember that to get an arrest warrant signed by a judge you have to have some good evidence to back it up.

They searched PF's farm more than once. They searched KB's house multiple times. They took evidence- from all of these locations including the transfer station. They have lots of digital evidence.

The LE were confident in his arrest, and were way ahead of the media and anyone on websites. They knew how complicated the case was and that they were also going to have to sift through personal statements and do follow up to determine the extent of involvement of others and decide if there were going to be additional arrests.

Unless it is in a DV situation, with history of DV. It is rare there is a spousal murder where everyone is saying Yeah, we could see he was a monster.

In most cases everyone thinks the guy was a nice guy, a good father, maybe a little quiet and not very social. And guess what, then they find out he was a murderer.

And generally when they look into his past a bit there is a history of either jealousy or affairs. It's usually just as simple as that.

Why they think they need to kill when they have affairs, I don't understand. The jealousy, is a if I can't have you, no one will.

I think PF will fall into the affairs. KL enabled it to happen. By being willing to have him broach her 3x to kill KB, that makes it more ok in his eyes. She obviously didn't completely shut him down. On top of that she may have played a more integral role- did it evolve to complete partnership in the murder? Or was she complicit and then helped in various ways.

I agree, I believe they have a truck load of evidence against him, with or without her talking. I'm just finding myself suspicious of KKL and how she may try to mitigate the charges coming her way by telling some fibs or outright lies since I feel she is in so much deeper than the just the phone. As MG said, it's only natural for her to try and deflect as much of the blame away from herself. I'm confident LE and the DA know what they're doing.

 

[WildWest]

A friend just reminded me CWs son was going to be named Nico, after his gf.

How about baby K being named after KL? Say it out loud.

Just a thought.

Oh my gosh!