CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #32 *ARREST*

[dkryder]

i've been wondering about that red truck PF has. have not read a model year but it appears to be fairly new. i guess if i knew the make model and year it would help but it seems possible that truck might have a navigation system. thing i'm curious about is if these systems keep a history. also, some of the systems use a 3rd party to provide traffic instructions. so i guess there is a chance that some company like google or garmin or microsoft could also have history of subscriber data. spent about an hour doing searches and bookmarking but no in depth reading yet. anyone know the make/model/year details of PF red truck?

 

[Sweetsbeach]

I know, I’m asking the same questions:

Why? And why now?

What happened in September that led to his plan being set in motion?

I still haven’t seen anything that gives an indication as to what precipitated this.

It exists, obviously, but we can only guess at this point.

I wonder too. I assume he'd been thinking about it long before he ever voiced it to KK. Maybe back in May when KB bought her own place?

KB was beautiful, had a great career and was very independent. Even if he didn't value her, maybe deep down he knew it was only a matter of time before someone else would. It would be a new leading man, not only for KB but for baby K as well. I would think if PF had anger/ control issues, the idea of another man stepping in to take his place probably weighed on him heavily. JMO...he didn't want to commit to his family but also didn't want to see anyone else commit to them either.

It's just so sad. While they were celebrating baby K's 1st birthday, PF had already been trying to solicite KK to murder KB at least a month prior to that. :-(

 

[Deleted member 718]

Rodeo Queens can earn scholarships. And prizes like saddles, gear and clothing. They act as an ambassador for their association. They have to have excellent horsemanship.

Let's not let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch.

 

[Dave F.]

"By rule, pilots should file a flight plan for every flight"
No. I can't prove a negative. You're wrong about that. If you personally, want to assert that pilots should file a flight plan for every flight, that's your opinion. But when you state "by rule"-you're just flat out wrong. There is no such rule.

I wrote that, and what I meant to get across was that many flights are made without the filing of a flight plan. I don't think there needs to be a heavy argument over my use of the word "rule", especially when I'm not included in the argument. Obviously, I mis-spoke.

 

[Esma]

In the Watts case, there was absolutely no evidence that the baby was named after the mistress, nor that CW chose that name. One of Shanann’s closest friends had the name “Nichole.” CW’s middle name is “Lee.”

So “Nico Lee” makes sense.

Kelsey’s first name (obviously) begins with a “K.” The baby’s name also begins with “K.”

Despite the fact that the mistress’ name also begins with a “K,” it is a stretch to read anything into this.

It’s pointless, unlikely, and unknowable.

I heard on some news that the name Nico was chosen because of SW's Italian background and had named all the kids Italian names. So I don't think it's true that the baby was named after the mistress in either of these cases.

 

[SoVeryMe]

This makes sense.

Two months is an quick turn on convincing someone to help with or cover for a murder! Maybe PF should represent himself

MOO

Ha!! That would involve talking! Maybe he can get a mind reader to translate for him.

 

[WildWest]

Maybe at first KK was so shocked by the solicitation she didn’t even consider it. We don’t know the true context of the dialogue between KK and her BFF. Was it “oh my gosh! PF asked me to kill KB for him! Should I tell someone? He clearly is out of his mind!!! Or “PF said the only way we can move forward in our relationship and parent little K together is to get rid of KB”.

Or "Naw, he was just drunk and saying dumb stuff"

 

[Hatfield]

i've been wondering about that red truck PF has. have not read a model year but it appears to be fairly new. i guess if i knew the make model and year it would help but it seems possible that truck might have a navigation system. thing i'm curious about is if these systems keep a history. also, some of the systems use a 3rd party to provide traffic instructions. so i guess there is a chance that some company like google or garmin or microsoft could also have history of subscriber data. spent about an hour doing searches and bookmarking but no in depth reading yet. anyone know the make/model/year details of PF red truck?

I cant help much except that I do know certain trucks/vehicles are able to have a history stored. In the Heather Elvis case this exact thing came up in the trial and it appears the perpetrators pulled out the device from the truck and disabled it somehow, and then later put it back. During trial testimony there was a gap in the information and the prosecutor alleged the perp knew to pull out the device to not log tracking history for that duration.

Ill never be able to find the exact dates of that trial testimony but here is the link to the case where I heard about this sort of thing myself during testimony.

GUILTY - Tammy Moorer trial for Kidnapping/Conspiracy to Kidnap Heather Elvis, 8 Oct 2018 - #11

 

[acutename]

Role of KK:

I know that some of you think that KK had a major role in everything. Suppose she never
initially agreed to be helpful and told PF he was wrong, but at some point he called her and said he needed to see her desperately. Suppose he convinced her to come see him- passion intrigue, the holidays, whatever and when she drives 800 miles, he says OK, I did it; I need your help; get rid of these things. She is surprised, shocked, confused and she then goes along with his requests. Too late to prevent anything, too informed to be totally ignorant, too weak to go to LE and scared. (Just a thought not even an opinion, throwing it out there.)

 

[MassGuy]

Role of KK:

I know that some of you think that KK had a major role in everything. Suppose she never
initially agreed to be helpful and told PF he was wrong, but at some point he called her and said he needed to see her desperately. Suppose he convinced her to come see him- passion intrigue, the holidays, whatever and when she drives 800 miles, he says OK, I did it; I need your help; get rid of these things. She is surprised, shocked, confused and she then goes along with his requests. Too late to prevent anything, too informed to be totally ignorant, too weak to go to LE and scared. (Just a thought not even an opinion, throwing it out there.)

Plausible. This would be the absolute minimum in regards to how I see her involvement.

This is the only scenario in which I would find immunity palatable.

 

[jaspermac]

Small point, but if teenaged girl was already the most popular girl in school, and also loved rodeo, would she throw her hat in the ring of queenship for more attention or for love of rodeo? And if she did it a second year, and won again; would it be because there were still lines of rodeo types wanting to give her more attention yet?

I obviously don't know her but I would say the odds are attention. Doesn't mean she doesn't love the rodeo. There are lots of girls who do, but don't want to be Rodeo Queen. Some girls like the spotlight and others don't

 

[SoVeryMe]

It's just so sad. While they were celebrating baby K's 1st birthday, PF had already been trying to solicite KK to murder KB at least a month prior to that. :-(

Ugh....this makes me sick.....the whole time he would look her in the face and she had no idea the hatred and evil inside him. Sick SOB.

 

[dkryder]

I've been doing a lot of thinking about that question. First, the charge of soliciation is a companion charge that cannot stand on it's own. In court, the murder has to be proved first, then the solicitation. Obviously, if they can prove PF did it, and have proved that he was in Colorado on November 25th, there is no other choice available.........he HAD to have solicited someone to operate the phone in Idaho. As I understand the law, they don't have to even identify the solicitee. Second, there are two photos online with similar backgrounds. The first shows KB and CB together, and the other shows KB, her child, and CB. The background in both is clearly Colorado aspens stands, three quarters turned. Its a big fall event in Colorado. The Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph reported that the aspens surrounding Cripple Creek were three quarters turned on September 11, 2018. Both KB and CB have birthdays close to that date. Good time for a Gramma visit? Someone took the pics. Was it DB? If so, could CB and DB not be in a position to testify under oath that in early September, they witnessed some circumstance or condition that could have set the solicitation process into motion? Or that they observed something that would indicate that the solicitation was not yet in motion? Sometime in September or October is a broad time spectrum.
Third, it's not three charges of Solicitation. It's one if by Murder in the First Degree, and two if by Robbery and Murder in the First Degree. If PF asked someone to send the texts, that would be one count of Solicitation, but if someone asked them to send the texts and sent the whole d*** purse, that would be two counts. One for asking, and one for asking again to dispose of the purse. IMO

i thought solicitation is a crime in and of itself. i also thought that one can be charged with solicitation even if the person you request to do the crime refuses and the actual crime is never committed.

 

[GordianKnot]

My very first theory was he thought Kelsey might be moving on with another man. I'm not sure how I feel about that now.

I'm afraid that when we learn what PF's "motive" was, it will be so off the charts in terms of its idiocy and illogicality that it will merely serve to amplify the tragedy of KB's murder.

That's just fear talking. Fear is a feeling. Feelings aren't facts.

 

[tmar]

Distance is definitely PF's BFF. I mean, dude is a complete numbskull, so it's hard to credit him with this level of self-awareness, but he seems to have cottoned on to the fact that the best way he could attract women would be by approaching them from a distance. That way, he could present them with a blurred/out-of-focus image of himself just long enough to get them invested in the "relationship" with him. Then they get up close and personal, clearly see him for who/what he really is, and it ain't a pretty picture.

He would be physically attractive to a lot of women who saw his profile on a website, if that is indeed how he and KB initially "met." He can probably compose simple sentences containing single-syllable words, which likely gets interpreted by a lot of women as PF being the "strong, silent" type.

I suspect the bloom comes off the rose once women actually spend any substantial amount of actual face-to-face time with him (not to be confused with Face-Time).

I'd imagine his mother popping her head in the door to his room to remind him it's time to get ready for bed and to go brush his teeth also dampens the flames quickly.

ALL JMO.

We have a popular program here, where women are chosen to meet Farmers as these 'Farmers want a wife'.
Imagine the lucky women, who now must share time with PF at his 'ranchette', where his Mum also lives.
Probably all these lucky women leave immediately.
MOO.

 

[WildWest]

I'm confused about the K being


YAMB. I'm hoping that in 32 days we get a glimpse from the affidavit of what drove the timing of KB's murder, because the timing was more than likely closely linked to the motive.

What is YAMB ?

 

[GordianKnot]

My guess is that when all is said and done, we’re going to be left saying: “He killed her for that?!”

That’s not to say there is ever a motive for murder that is acceptable, but some make a lot more logical sense than others.

This one might not.

What this guy just said.^

 

[tmar]

Maybe at first KK was so shocked by the solicitation she didn’t even consider it. We don’t know the true context of the dialogue between KK and her BFF. Was it “oh my gosh! PF asked me to kill KB for him! Should I tell someone? He clearly is out of his mind!!! Or “PF said the only way we can move forward in our relationship and parent little K together is to get rid of KB”.

If KK's best friend's account is accurate, KK later stated 'don't worry about it'.
So if KK was in shock, it didn't last long.
MOO.

 

[GordianKnot]

What is YAMB ?

WW, YAMB = You And Me Both. I may have made it up, not sure.
IGLS (I get lazy sometimes).

 

[Printcess]

I wonder too. I assume he'd been thinking about it long before he ever voiced it to KK. Maybe back in May when KB bought her own place?

KB was beautiful, had a great career and was very independent. Even if he didn't value her, maybe deep down he knew it was only a matter of time before someone else would. It would be a new leading man, not only for KB but for baby K as well. I would think if PF had anger/ control issues, the idea of another man stepping in to take his place probably weighed on him heavily. JMO...he didn't want to commit to his family but also didn't want to see anyone else commit to them either.

It's just so sad. While they were celebrating baby K's 1st birthday, PF had already been trying to solicite KK to murder KB at least a month prior to that. :-(

The new place is my thought as well. One theory I have is that PF refused to leave his mother's (inheritance issue?) and KB wanted to start her new life. Maybe she got the place in hope that PF would see her side and join her at some point. Distance does things to people, and they start to grow apart... No one seems to have a concrete answer on their relationship status at the end, this is just my guess on how it could have fallen apart.