CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #33 *ARREST*

[justpeachy22]

Where oh where has KL gone, where oh where can she be??
(insert music) She appears to have fallen off the face of the earth. I find this odd. No sightings, anywhere? Not one reporter has tracked her down? Not one leak? Is this even possible?

I certainly agree with SandyQLS on this point, she is a most problematic witness and the defence will have a "hay day" with her, and rightly so. As I said in a prior post, I sure hope the DA has plenty of evidence against PF without relying on her. Like many here, I can't wait to see what they have on PF. I just wish KL was "rooming" next to him

Say it isn’t so, but could she be Sunning herself in Tahiti under a different name? Until criminal charges have been filed against her it is my understanding that she is free to travel as she pleases as long as she is cooperating. She’d have to travel to avoid the media, right?

 

[CatKelly]

I missed the part of the timeline where KB worked in Grand Junction-can you point me to the link or timing? Thanks!

It is my understanding she worked as a waitress first. Possibly waiting for her license.
I'm the interview really didn't tell me much. What was missing were examples of what she thought was borderline abusive. Just mo

 

[SandyQLS]

And cheating on one while she was in the hospital too. And correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t her s/o state that she had dated PF for six years? I think that’s right. Anyway, her s/o stated that PF cheated on her while she was in the hospital and then said “ take that for what it’s worth”.
Yeah, PF is a stand up guy. A real gem. Ha!

ETA: can’t you just imagine what will come out in trial if that woman is called to testify and IF they actually dated 6 years? Oh yeah!

No. The SO said it was more than 6 years ago:

Missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth left freshly baked cinnamon rolls at home | Daily Mail Online

DM 12-17-2018

"... A former girlfriend who dated Frazee more than six years ago declined to speak to DailyMail.com but her current partner said: 'He cheated on her while she was in the hospital, take that for what it's worth.'

Asked whether Frazee was ever abusive, the partner said: 'He never beat on them (girlfriends) or anything like that. On animals he was rough, he was pretty aggressive with dogs and horses.' ..."

 

[Artis]

Dave, I am curious to what LE was searching for in Memorial Park in Woodland Park.
I think it could be that the killer(s) were waiting there until they got the go ahead that KB was at Safeway. Then, they would go to KB"s condo and use the key that PF had given them. They would hide inside and later ambush KB.

Her hairstyle could be important. I think her bun and baby is something that people might remember. I think that there should have been and should be more aggressive appeals to the public. Someone must have seen her and her killer(s) on Thanksgiving. There has to be a ton of CCTV cameras that could have captured her vehicle and those of the killer(s).

IMO

When was the search of the park?

 

[k-mac]

I’ve been thinking a lot about whether KB had an engagement ring or not.

A ring could have been a major source of resentment for PF.

We know that KB was raised in the SDA faith. Some SDA do not wear jewelry as they feel it is unnecessary adornment and calls attention to oneself.

However, KB seemed to have branched out a bit from strict adherence. Her family seems to be quite modern (her brother and his husband), KB foraging a new life with her baby girl although not married,
and things she had pinned on her Pinterest like girlie drinks and recipes that are not vegetarian (but those could have been for PF).

If you look through KB’s Pinterest pins (account under her name), you can learn a lot about her. She had a strong belief in God and in herself. It is heartbreaking how she was pinning beautiful home decor for a new CO home and ideas how to decorate Baby Girl’s room. Thinking of her wearing the sundresses she pinned is just so very sad.

So back to the ring…

1. Did KB have an engagement?
2. What was its appraised value?
3. Did PF give it to her?
4. Was it an heirloom from PF’s family or KB’s family?
5. Did KB buy the ring herself?
6. Did PF want it back because it was his family heirloom or did he just want to pawn or sell it if
It was KB’s family’s heirloom?
7. If KB bought it herself, this is just one more thing besides buying the condo without him that points out his status as a loser. His child didn’t even carry his surname.

PF was telling his friends that they had split up a few months after Baby Girl was born.

What was KB telling her friends?
We know that her family referred to her as being engaged but no wedding date was set.

If KB was wearing an engagement ring, it would bug PF and might affect his
womanizing on the rodeo circuit, his town and beyond.

I believe there was a ring and PF was determined to get his hands on it.

Just like Chris Watts, PF was tired of the life he was living. PF realized that he faced 18 years of dealing with KB and arranging pick up and delivery of his daughter, driving to and fro around KB’s work schedule. Not to mention
the high cost of raising Baby Girl.

He didn’t want to be bossed by a woman anymore — not from his mother and not from KB.

He needed and wanted money. He thought by KB being dead, he could live on Baby Girl’s inheritance, Social Security, money from KB’s ring, and not have to answer to KB. He could continue being his romantic view of being a “ramblin’ cowboy” who was lucky with the ladies.

IMO

yes I agree totally with your post

it makes sense the robbery charge knowing she needed to be alive for it to be relevant. had to be something on her person imo

a PF family heirloom would make perfect sense. he would feel it belonged to him no matter what and at all cost.

im betting the ring is in his possession.

 

[Artis]

Where oh where has KL gone, where oh where can she be??
(insert music) She appears to have fallen off the face of the earth. I find this odd. No sightings, anywhere? Not one reporter has tracked her down? Not one leak? Is this even possible?

I certainly agree with SandyQLS on this point, she is a most problematic witness and the defence will have a "hay day" with her, and rightly so. As I said in a prior post, I sure hope the DA has plenty of evidence against PF without relying on her. Like many here, I can't wait to see what they have on PF. I just wish KL was "rooming" next to him

I saw a comment, on Youtube, that said something like somebody needs to go to Twin Falls and find out why things are so quiet there. I don't think I paraphrased that right because it was phrased in such a way that you got the feeling that something is going on there which has everyone keeping their lips zipped.

 

[PommyMommy]

Didn't this info about working at coffee shop come from person attending candlelight vigil that didn't want to be identified?

I saw the info about the coffee shop from a video interview of an employee that took place IN the coffee shop. It was during the day time, not at the vigil. I'll see if I can find that one too while I'm looking through videos for other info.

2:36 mark - Kelsey worked at Costello Coffee about 2 mo

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[Artis]

I will just point out that he very well may have been a kind, gentle guy in many people’s eyes, with a separate standard of behavior for KB. And perhaps for any other women he was involved with.

This is why it disturbs me to see on this site and elsewhere people say, in effect, they would never believe that someone they think well of could murder their partner in advance of seeing the concrete evidence. You don’t have to believe everything you hear, but it’s wise to come to terms with the reality that just because you think someone is nice doesn’t mean they are nice to everyone.

That’s precisely how people skate by in life hiding their capacity for evil.

We have a couple of people who reported he was "rough on" and even abusive toward animals and one person saying he cheated on a girlfriend in the hospital. I suspect this information is widely known among the circle of people who know PF and that those saying what a great guy he is are not people I'd want anything to do with.

As for immediately believing someone is guilty of murder without evidence, I would say it's a lot easier to believe from a distance (like following such news about about someone you don't know) than it is with is someone you think you know (well or quite well, as an acquaintance, co-worker, etc). I can understand people taking time to process such shocking information and wanting to see convincing evidence. It may take some people longer than others but with solid evidence I imagine most people accept the truth. I hope you realize that some people are falsely accused of murder and even sent to prison (including death row) and wanting convincing evidence, in the case of someone you know and can't believe would kill anyone, is normal.

 

[The Saint]

Well, there you go. "He was always mad about something."

I'm glad that KB's friends are speaking out.

imo

 

[The Saint]

When was the search of the park?

I think that it was within a week of her disappearnce.
I believe someone local here on WS mentioned it.

When I looked at the Google Maps of the park ,there is no way that KB's body could have been hidden there. It was very open with a children's playground set.

IMO

 

[The Saint]

We have a couple of people who reported he was "rough on" and even abusive toward animals and one person saying he cheated on a girlfriend in the hospital. I suspect this information is widely known among the circle of people who know PF and that those saying what a great guy he is are not people I'd want anything to do with.

As for immediately believing someone is guilty of murder without evidence, I would say it's a lot easier to believe from a distance (like following such news about about someone you don't know) than it is with is someone you think you know (well or quite well, as an acquaintance, co-worker, etc). I can understand people taking time to process such shocking information and wanting to see convincing evidence. It may take some people longer than others but with solid evidence I imagine most people accept the truth. I hope you realize that some people are falsely accused of murder and even sent to prison (including death row) and wanting convincing evidence, in the case of someone you know and can't believe would kill anyone, is normal.

To me, it's not a stretch to believe that anyone who abuses animals is capable of abusing humans.

IMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Oh, the pieces start to fit. Patrick was hard to please. She was unhappy at times. There were signs...

There were signs and very early on, it seems. The saddest sentence for me: "She (KB) couldn't win ..." Maybe, he didn't want the unborn, but she prevailed and it was getting worse and worse.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Why do we think KB lived in Grand junction? Per friend's statement quoted in article here-Kelsey Berreth's friend believes her fiancé was "borderline emotionally abusive"-
"They recently lived together in Colorado while Berreth, who was pregnant at the time with Frazee's child, was working nearby as a pilot."
Grand Junction is nowhere near Doss aviation. They're roughly 300 miles apart.
I may be missing something, obviously

bbm

It wasn't Doss aviation but another company. Where did I read that? Idk at the moment.
ETA: Springs Aviation

 

[Deleted member 102539]

We don't have proof that PF actually murdered her. As far as I can tell, we don't actually know where he was at all times on Thanksgiving Day after KB was seen at the market.

(Law enforcement may have evidence that we don't know about yet).

Defense could float the suggestion that he is guilty of nothing more (!) than helping clean up. He could claim that KB was already dead when he arrived and that he was only involved in keeping his mouth shut. He could hint that KK did the deed.

Question for everyone: is it your gut impression that PF's mom is calling the shots in their relationship or is he calling the shots?

bbm
Let me say: they agreed in treating her badly, IMO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Tentative Timeline

1989 Kelsey Berreth was born in Grant County, Washington

KB Raised on a hay farm in Warden, Washington

KB spent most of her childhood attending Crestview School in Moses Lake, WA

KB Moved to Sandpoint, ID area with her parents (Dates Unknown)

KB Trained as a pilot at Big Bend Community College in Moses Lake, WA (Dates Unknown)

Sept 22, 2015 -- KB earns her Commercial Pilot Certification

March 2016 -- KB meets PF online

2016 -- KB moves to Woodland Park, CO (rents a condo on E Lake Ave?)

2016 --KB has a PO Box in Florissant, CO (listed on FAA Certifications)

Date Unknown -- KB Worked at a coffee shop in Florissant for a few months

2016 -- KB Worked for Springs Aviation in Peyton, CO

Dec 2016 -- KB's FAA Medical date (Medical Class: First)

January 2017 -- KB gets pregnant, shares rent with her friend AC in Colorado sometime after that (where in CO they lived together is not confirmed in MSM but KB was working as a pilot "nearby" and pregnant at the time they lived together per friend AC's interview with CBS).

February 2017 -- KB tells a fellow pilot that she trained with (KA) that she is "getting married soon"

April 24 2017 -- KB earns her Flight Instructor Certification

June 2017 -- KB tells fellow pilot KA "she aspired to fly cargo deliveries or work as an airline pilot" -- It's the last time KA spoke to KB

Job change to Doss Aviation in Pueblo? (*MOO Only -- Dates unknown*)

Oct 2017 -- Baby K is born

May 2018 -- KB purchases her condo at 269 E Lake Ave in Woodland Park, CO

Between Sept 1, 2018 and Nov 2018 -- PF allegedly asks someone 3 times to murder KB

Oct 2018 -- KB's family visits her (Fall Photo of KB, CB and Baby K taken)

Nov 22, 2018 -- KB is murdered in her condo on Thanksgiving Day

Dec 21, 2018 -- PF is arrested, eventually charged with 2 counts 1st degree Murder, 3 counts Solicitation to Murder KB.
Dec 2018 , last week of -- Kelsey Berreth & Patrick Frazee were supposed to be in court for a custody hearing

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Sources:
Who was Kelsey Berreth? Quiet life apparently ends in tragedy | Colorado Springs News | gazette.com
FAA Registry - Airmen - AirmenInquiry - Name Search
Kelsey Berreth's friend believes her fiancé was "borderline emotionally abusive"
Search expands for Colorado mom, 29, last seen on Thanksgiving
Kelsey Berreth's cousin speaks out for the first time since fiance's arrest | Daily Mail Online
Pasco relatives pray for miracle as search continues for missing Colorado mother
Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month
Fiance of missing mom Kelsey Berreth ‘punched a horse in the gut,’ cheated on his ex while she was in the hospital, sources claim: Report
Mother of missing Colorado mom speaks out on daughter's disappearance
Mother of Kelsey Berreth asked about relationship between and her daughter and her fiancé
Kelsey Berreth: Police Search Fiancé’s Ranch In Hunt For Missing Colorado Mom
Fiance of missing Kelsey Berreth voluntarily releases cell phone, DNA sample to law enforcement
Fiancee of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth is arrested and charged with murder | Daily Mail Online
Patrick Frazee: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
Kelsey Berreth's Fiance Is a 'Gentle Soul' Who Would Never Hurt Anyone, Friend Says
Neighbor of missing mom Kelsey Berreth says she saw red pickup truck, possibly fiance Patrick Frazee’s, at her home the day she went missing
Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online
Members of Sandpoint church continue prayers for Kelsey Berreth
Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month

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I added a date.
IMO, this date (above, included red) has to be a date, fixed before KB's disappearing, because they both PK and KB are mentioned to have it at court.

 

[Dave F.]

Dave, I am curious to what LE was searching for in Memorial Park in Woodland Park.
I think it could be that the killer(s) were waiting there until they got the go ahead that KB was at Safeway. Then, they would go to KB"s condo and use the key that PF had given them. They would hide inside and later ambush KB.
There was a vigil held for KB under the Gazebo in Memorial Park on Dec 13. It is quite common for police to film such events, in the hope that a participant in the crim e might be drawn into it. They mau have seen something, in person or on film, that prompted a search. Sorry, but that's my best guess.
There was a distinct shift in the direct supervision of the investigation from Sunday Dec. 9 when Commander Chris Adams appeared on national television, and Monday morning Dec. 10 when Chied Miles De Young announced that he was heading it. Could that shift have been the cause of the radical shift from missing persons investigation to murder investigation, and was the effort to find KB diminished by the shift. I don't know, and sure wish there were more answers and less questions. IMO

Her hairstyle could be important. I think her bun and baby is something that people might remember. I think that there should have been and should be more aggressive appeals to the public. Someone must have seen her and her killer(s) on Thanksgiving. There has to be a ton of CCTV cameras that could have captured her vehicle and those of the killer(s).

IMO

 

[enelram]

We know nothing about Ma or the rest of PF's family (other than names and some occupations). MOO, Ma looks like an enabler and whatever PF's deal is (psychopath, sociopath, etc), doesn't give me the impression of all being well on the home front and growing up. These monsters aren't made in a vacuum. This kind of deep seated character deficiency always has it roots in childhood.

AGREE.
Consider that PF's parents divorced when he was 12, it's likely
that his parents didn't get along for quite a while. while we
really don't know what his homelife was like I will say many
young boys see the divorce and their dad leaving the home
as "abandonment" and live the rest of their lives as perpetually
angry.
Also we don't know what his dad was like or how he treated
the mom, But one thing was certain, his dad was a role model
even if subconsciously, for PF as he grew up.
Yes, PF's treatment of women and animals developed as he
was growing up and developing.

 

[enelram]

There were signs and very early on, it seems. The saddest sentence for me: "She (KB) couldn't win ..." Maybe, he didn't want the unborn, but she prevailed and it was getting worse and worse.

Seems to me PF was not thrilled about the pregnancy. I can't get over the careless way he seemed to hold her in pics. Like she
was just a little ragdoll with her little thin arms and legs hanging
loose. I can't picture a man with anger problems being patient
or loving to a needy little baby. Wonder if Ma F. made him take
her with him at times so she could get thing done at home or go
shopping, etc. That would irritate him I would think. I feel for the
baby that he had anything to do with her at all.

 

[Dave F.]

Say it isn’t so, but could she be Sunning herself in Tahiti under a different name? Until criminal charges have been filed against her it is my understanding that she is free to travel as she pleases as long as she is cooperating. She’d have to travel to avoid the media, right?

Yes, she is as free as any other citizen of the state of Idaho. She doesn't even have to be cooperating, as long a she responds to warrants for evidence. If criminal charges were filed against her, she would be immediately arrested under recriprocal agreements. If she then refused to go voluntarily to Colorado to face the charges, she would be extradited. None of that has happened. Tahiti would be nice this time of year, but my guess is that she is currently working, perhaps as at another St Lukes facility, or as a travelling nurse. IMO

 

[Hatfield]

Yes, she is as free as any other citizen of the state of Idaho. She doesn't even have to be cooperating, as long a she responds to warrants for evidence. If criminal charges were filed against her, she would be immediately arrested under recriprocal agreements. If she then refused to go voluntarily to Colorado to face the charges, she would be extradited. None of that has happened. Tahiti would be nice this time of year, but my guess is that she is currently working, perhaps as at another St Lukes facility, or as a travelling nurse. IMO

JMO
Respectively, I seriously doubt she is working for the same company because the official word from her company is that she is on a "Leave of Absence" and by the definition below I think she has turned state's witness and is going to testify at his trial. My guess is she is cooperating with LE and probably being holed up somewhere either with a relative or a close friend of hers. I am also betting she has an ankle monitor on by now. Just guessing.

"A leave of absence (LOA) or simply leave, is a period of time that one must be away from one's primary job, while maintaining the status of employee......used for exceptional circumstances; generally, such an arrangement has a predefined termination at a particular date or after a certain event has occurred."

Leave of absence - Wikipedia

"St. Lukes Health System.......told Twin Falls station KMVT that........is on a leave of absence"

Idaho nurse questioned in Kelsey Berreth disappearance identified