CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

I recently watched the Ted Bundy Tapes and was struck by how far we have come in forensics, dna, and electronic trails people leave. In the 70's, there were not even fax machines let alone dna testing and communication between LE in different states. It is a comfort to me that we now have these resources that can't be denied.

Yup. No automated fingerprint system either.

It was shocking to me that it took them as long as it did to identify him in Florida.

They had him, but didn’t know who he was.

That sure as hell couldn't happen today.

 

[Aydrianna523]

And why would she have given him their daughter that day? She worked 40 hours a week while he had the baby all that time, every week. This was a holiday and her day off. WHY would she not want her baby home with her that day? It makes no sense to me.

And if she was giving him the baby at 1 pm, why would she go to the store at 11:30 and take her baby along? Why not wait until she could go alone? Thats is a lot easier.

She did tell her mom she might be going out to eat, so it did sound as if there were possible plans.
And... she might not be as traditional about Thanksgiving as others are, especially being out of state from her family. The baby doesn't know what Thanksgiving is, anyways.
New thought for me, it appears she wasn't planning to go to the ranch for a meal so nothing planned there either?

 

[kjpaw]

If KK sent the text to KB’s employer (not saying we know that at this point) that seems a lot more like accessory after the fact than simple tampering with evidence. (MOO) If she sent the text does this indicate how much they need her testimony?

(Edit: corrected is to if)

 

[MemPat]

I'm sure you've all discussed this so, forgive me, but I picture KK helping with clean-up at KB's condo. Maybe he panicked, called her and she came running. Maybe PF and KK came up with the cell phone plan while they cleaned. (I still think LE's ladder was needed to gather blood spatter evidence from the ceiling.) I wonder if a Walmart receipt exists between KK's home and KB's for bleach, rubber gloves, etc. MOO

 

[nwmouse]

I recently watched the Ted Bundy Tapes and was struck by how far we have come in forensics, dna, and electronic trails people leave. In the 70's, there were not even fax machines let alone dna testing and communication between LE in different states. It is a comfort to me that we now have these resources that can't be denied.

Definitely.

I wonder how many previously arrogant perps who thought they got away with murder are trembling daily, knowing they will be caught by leaving their DNA.

And they will be caught and punished, if they haven't died. Those cold case files ain't going away.

It gives me comfort too.

edited for a MOO

 

[susiQ]

I'm Canadian and I wish we had the death penalty here . Our justice system sucks don't get me started on our juvenile system that's a joke

Strange, I agree with you on the DP and yet, find myself wincing when I imagine even one innocent person being put to death. I'm so conflicted in this regard. I would have no problem seeing Bernardo, Holmolka, Millard, Smich, McArthur, and others, getting fried, but then I think of David Milgaard and Guy Paul Morin and I flinch.

 

[MassGuy]

If KK sent the text to KB’s employer (not saying we know that at this point) that seems a lot more like accessory after the fact than simple tampering with evidence. (MOO) If she sent the text does this indicate how much they need her testimony?

(Edit: corrected is to if)

And/Or how much she has already contributed.

She might very well have pointed them to the evidence that will bury him.

 

[k-mac]

"Sources," however Clayton's sources have been very good so far.

Clayton Sandell on Twitter
Here's the heart of the complaint against Krystal Lee Kenney in the #KelseyBerreth case. She's set to appear in court Friday. Sources tell @abc she will plead guilty in a deal with prosecutors in exchange for her cooperation in the murder case against #PatrickFrazee. @ABC @GMA

I haven't seen the word mutilated outside of the context of human or animal death and dismembering etc before.
is this normal legal term??


ie... the phone was mutilated and destroyed. (obliterated smashed desecrated all more give the idea that its something physical that has been broken but
imo unusual wording when it is a side note to a murder that has had limited information released.)

or is it a clue to much more than we know...…

ideas and insights appreciated
moo

 

[dkryder]

And PF's truck was parked sideways behind both of her vehicles.
MOO

earlier CarolinePolly said,
Yes, I agree. The exit video is the key to this.
1. KB was in Safeway 11/22 at 12:37pm
2. Neighbor saw PFs red truck parked at KBs on 11/22 between 12:30-1:00pm
3.CB stated in her interview regarding how KB looked in the Safeway video and CB said her Kbs) hair wasn’t fixed.



interesting. first time i've seen all that previously known info together and they can't all be true unless KB got a ride to the store with someone or the neighbor got the times mixed up. thanks!

 

[MassGuy]

I haven't seen the word mutilated outside of the context of human or animal death and dismembering etc before.
is this normal legal term??


ie... the phone was mutilated and destroyed. (obliterated smashed desecrated all more give the idea that its something physical that has been broken but
imo unusual wording when it is a side note to a murder that has had limited information released.)

or is it a clue to much more than we know...…

ideas and insights appreciated
moo

That’s simply how the applicable law is written.

It is not specific to this particular case.

 

[Jupiter05]

Yup. No automated fingerprint system either.

It was shocking to me that it took them as long as it did to identify him in Florida.

They had him, but didn’t know who he was.

And him escaping from Pitkin County TWICE! Unbelievable. Think of all of the unsolved murders back in the day.

 

[k-mac]

That’s simply how the applicable law is written.

It is not specific to this particular case.

thanks MG
that's what I was wondering.
im way behind! :-/

 

[acutename]

It is a marathon, not 400 metre sprint, we should all be keeping our focus on the end results. No, KK is not a victim, but who are we to suggest that this would have turned out different IF she had gone to LE, would they have even taken her seriously. Someone mentioned earlier, he had no priors, multiple close family in LE, for all we know LE could have laughed it off, and not bothered to take it seriously. Some of us can speak about this personally, having experienced it first hand, and mentioned in previous posts. If she NOW helps put PF in prison isn't that the outcome decent law abiding people want. The man who killed KB in prison for the rest of his days. She gets to live with her decisions the rest of her life, as will anyone who went along without saying anything. I hope they are ready for it. just moo

there was discussion before about how often people with restraining orders are killed. in this case, as far as we know, KB was interacting with PF and he was babysitting. just because some one is mouthing threats, to a third party, that does not necessarilly make any kind of case or charge.

Is there a possibility to go from tampering to murder?

is PF going to testify against her in his own defense?

 

[nwmouse]

It is a marathon, not 400 metre sprint, we should all be keeping our focus on the end results. No, KK is not a victim, but who are we to suggest that this would have turned out different IF she had gone to LE, would they have even taken her seriously. Someone mentioned earlier, he had no priors, multiple close family in LE, for all we know LE could have laughed it off, and not bothered to take it seriously. Some of us can speak about this personally, having experienced it first hand, and mentioned in previous posts. If she NOW helps put PF in prison isn't that the outcome decent law abiding people want. The man who killed KB in prison for the rest of his days. She gets to live with her decisions the rest of her life, as will anyone who went along without saying anything. I hope they are ready for it. just moo

I disagree.

In my opinion, if she HAD gone to LE and told them PF was soliciting someone to cause harm/murder KB, I believe they would have followed up.

I believed it would have deterred PF from following through and KB would be alive today.

Even *if* LE had not followed through with her complaint it would have been the moral, decent thing for her to do. If I knew someone was trying to solicit me to aid in a killing or even suggested killing a person I would go to LE because it would weigh on my conscience. Its very serious. Its not just a prank - its not like PF said, hey, lets put sugar in her gas tank because I don't like her. This is MURDER. Its serious. Deadly serious. You don't leave that up to chance!

MOO.

 

[Jupiter05]

Strange, I agree with you on the DP and yet, find myself wincing when I imagine even one innocent person being put to death. I'm so conflicted in this regard. I would have no problem seeing Bernardo, Holmolka, Millard, Smich, McArthur, and others, getting fried, but then I think of David Milgaard and Guy Paul Morin and I flinch.

There have been so many innocents on death row. With the strides in dna testing, there are some cases that it should be invoked. But there is the mental health issue that I am conflicted about. It came out later that Ted Bundy was suffering from mental illness, yet that was not a "thing" back then. Yet the numerous young women who were tortured and killed is hard to reconcile.

 

[LovesPeace2]

Strange, I agree with you on the DP and yet, find myself wincing when I imagine even one innocent person being put to death. I'm so conflicted in this regard. I would have no problem seeing Bernardo, Holmolka, Millard, Smich, McArthur, and others, getting fried, but then I think of David Milgaard and Guy Paul Morin and I flinch.

Yep I agree but if ya think of Clifford Olson and the pig farmer it's awful but I dunno if it would ever pass here maybe with all the crime now it may. Edited by me double quoted

 

[Deleted member 718]

Interesting. In the previous thread there was a question about whether KK would "stand by her man" or squeal.

I believe that someone with such a poor moral compass will always squeal to save themselves. Especially when questioned by LE.

Looks like she did. Probably after the first day of questioning...

MOO

You're a lot more optimistic about KKL cooperation than I am. I don't think she was standing by her man when the cops came calling. I think she was saving her own hide. The only reason she confessed to the phone is because she was caught red-handed. If she knows more details, ie where the body is, she'll never tell because it only deepens her involvement. Her whole alibi is that she felt threatened and I don't believe that. MOO

It make more sense now why the Twin Falls attorney felt compelled to go on TV. They knew KKL was feeding locals a bunch of bs.

 

[nwmouse]

You're a lot more optimistic about KKL cooperation than I am. I don't think she was standing by her man when the cops came calling. I think she was saving her own hide. The only reason she confessed to the phone is because she was caught red-handed. If she knows more details, ie where the body is, she'll never tell because it only deepens her involvement. Her whole alibi is that she felt threatened and I don't believe that. MOO

It make more sense now why the Twin Falls attorney felt compelled to go on TV. They knew KKL was feeding locals a bunch of bs.

But that's what I said. It was a question in a previous thread. Some said she might stand by her man. Others of us thought she'd squeal after being interrogated by LE. We had no optimism whatsoever about her moral compass or questionable "loyalty" to PF.

MOO

 

[acutename]

All the news said she went missing that day. His truck was seen there that day to pick up the baby, but no one saw or heard from her after that. Her rolls were left sitting on the counter. I think that means she disappeared at that time, because she didn't wrap them up. It would probably also mean that was the last day she cooked there as well. She was supposed to go to lunch with pf, but that didn't happen. PF became very suspicious acting, etc, so I think it's thought he killed her the day he was last there.

he said that he got baby K from her that day and as per LE he was "the last person to see her"

 

[Deleted member 718]

But that's what I said. It was a question in a previous thread. Some said she might stand by her man. Others of us thought she'd squeal after being interrogated by LE. We had no optimism whatsoever about her moral compass or questionable "loyalty" to PF.

MOO

My mistake nwmouse!! I thought I was replying to MassGuy. Sorry to both of you.