CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[gitana1]

I think that they had a plan, went through with it, Strategized how they get away with it…AND it unraveled because it’s too hard to have TWO people know about something and have someone not talk. Especially people who aren’t as smart as they think they are.

Bingo.

 

[MassGuy]

We have never seen that she left the market, and her mother said she talked to her twice that day. Lots of questions, and literally no answers.....not even to the simplest questions. IMO

We are not entitled to the answers to these questions, and we will have some of these answers soon enough.

They are running a tight investigation, and the leaks have been minimal.

That is a good thing.

 

[NoeticSoul]

It has been 6 weeks since PF was arrested, and the FBI were in Idaho in November, in KK's area. It will be interesting to find out WHY it took so long to bring KK to this point. She obviously lawyered up and was not forthcoming with information. My guess is that LE had to spend time and resources to lean on her to get her to talk, and that angers me. For that reason alone, she deserves some prison time. Much more than a slap on the wrist. IMO

Anything that KK will plead guilty to will be investigated. Anything that she has stated on the record will be investigated I'm sure. If they find that she has lied about anything her plea deal will be off the table. There is still hope imo.

 

[girlhasnoname]

And why would she have given him their daughter that day? She worked 40 hours a week while he had the baby all that time, every week. This was a holiday and her day off. WHY would she not want her baby home with her that day? It makes no sense to me.

And if she was giving him the baby at 1 pm, why would she go to the store at 11:30 and take her baby along? Why not wait until she could go alone? Thats is a lot easier.

I don't believe KB ever felt like she was going to be separated from baby K at all during that long weekend. JMO

 

[gitana1]

They might have evidence of where but I doubt they have evidence that pinpoints the exact date of death.

I look forward to seeing what evidence they have. The defense will likely present their own "theory."

JMO

It's pretty simple to connect the dots. Basic logic. I know some people feel there has to be a video and a confession for there to be a guilty verdict but no. That's not what "reasonable" doubt means at all.

 

[MassGuy]

You know unfortunately for some it comes down to they need a case to have zero doubt at all. Not "reasonable" doubt, but none.

So for most people, when you have, for example, forensic evidence and witness testimony indicating someone asked another person on three separate occasions, to murder the mother of their child, and then had text conversations back and forth with the mother setting up a thanksgiving celebration, but then the celebration never happens, mom appears to have prepared for the celebration, goes to the store to buy supplies for a dish she's planning to take to the celebration, but she is last seen at that store the same day and is never seen again, neighbors see the father's truck at her house shortly after or around the time she was at the store, he ends up with the baby she brought to the store, but mom never shows up as planned, he tells everyone DAYS after she is last seen that they broke up and she left the baby and took off, he never reports her missing even though he's had no contact with her for an unprecedented time while he has their child, her phone pings and sends texts in the same state a suspect lives, who later admits to having been solicited to kill or help kill the missing mother, and whose phone data shows evidence she assisted the father, and there is blood evidence or other evidence of trauma and great bodily injury in the house, for most of us, that would lead us to find it reasonable to conclude that the mother was killed on the last date she was seen alive.

It's logic. But sadly not everyone is logical.

Yes. It’s unfortunate that many people feel that way, as rarely is a case that solid.

As you say, “reasonable doubt,” not “no doubt.”

If that was the reality, no one would ever be convicted of a crime.

Most cases don’t have a video of the actual crime, a confession to that crime, and irrefutable forensic evidence.

That’s just not how it works.

 

[susiQ]

Canada is so lenient on violent crime it’s laughable. Not even comparable imo.

Well, that was then (Holmolka) and this is now. Things have changed here in Canada. That horrendous miscarriage of justice shocked the nation and was a wake- up call to LE and DA's about rushing into deals. Bernardo got what he deserved. Recently, concurrent sentences for violent crimes have been "discontinued" and are no longer the "norm." We were all pleased to see Dellen Millard and Mark Smich dealt consecutive sentences for their heinous crimes. Bruce McArthur, next on the list. Fool me once......

 

[girlhasnoname]

True, but he didn't hear from her for many days and never blinked and eye. They live in the same town and he wasnt going away for Thanksgiving. So there is no reason that he wouldn't expect to share time with her that thanksgiving holiday vacation time.

ITA KD23, PF used the holiday for a cover IMO. I still believe Kelsey thought they might do something as a 'family' together that day/night.

 

[katydid23]

We have never seen that she left the market, and her mother said she talked to her twice that day. Lots of questions, and literally no answers.....not even to the simplest questions. IMO

We haven't seen that she left the market. But the detectives and the DA have seen have seen that video. They know when she left and who she may have met up with.

If it turns out that she did meet up with PF at the parking lot, and hand off the baby then, as was rumored at the start of this case, his whole story falls apart.

 

[gitana1]

Yes. It’s unfortunate that many people feel that way, as rarely is a case that solid.

As you say, “reasonable doubt,” not “no doubt.”

If that was the reality, no one would ever be convicted of a crime.

Most cases don’t have a video of the actual crime, a confession to that crime, and irrefutable forensic evidence.

That’s just not how it works.

I think for prosecutors they probably have to ask a lot of questions during voir dire to ensure that potential jurors understand what the word "reasonable" means, and to determine if they understand very basic logic.

If not, boot em'.

 

[gitana1]

Kim Plonsky on Twitter
Here's the Complaint and Information against Krystal Jean Lee Kenney regarding tampering with physical evidence: https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2019CR17/Complaint.pdf … #kelseyberreth #KrystalLee #PatrickFrazee

So there it is. Looks like a deal. Man she's lucky. PF not so much.

 

[nwmouse]

With a traffic ticket, having a good background, you may get off with a warning.
I wonder in this case, using her past as a dedicated, caring nurse, KK may get away with a rap on the knuckles, if she testifies against PF, even in a murder case.
Certainly she'll do this, to save herself.
MOO.

But I do think she's going to be charged in the court of public opinion, and even if she gets off with a slap on the wrist by the courts, she's not going to have it easy from the public outrage and disgust.

For example, CA is a pariah, and her life will never be the same again, even though she got off.

KK, like NK is probably going to be haunted by this for the rest of her life. And so she should.

The world is a much smaller place these days, due to the internet, social media etc. People do not forget and she cannot hide from shame and disgrace.

MOO

 

[gitana1]

This leads me to believe that she did way more than take KB'S phone.
Like clean up, ughhhh and do God only knows what to Kelsey's body etc. She better tell exactly what happened, how,who and where Kelsey is.
I wonder what PF,and his lawyers think of this,and if PF will counter any of it. Will he just quietly go down,or will he call her out,and implicate she had more of a role in this?

To implicate her more means to implicate himself. It's lose lose for him.

 

[MassGuy]

But I do think she's going to be charged in the court of public opinion, and even if she gets off with a slap on the wrist by the courts, she's not going to have it easy from the public outrage and disgust.

For example, CA is a pariah, and her life will never be the same again, even though she got off.

KK, like NK is probably going to be haunted by this for the rest of her life. And so she should.

The world is a much smaller place these days, due to the internet, social media etc. People do not forget and she cannot hide from shame and disgrace.

MOO

Yeah. If this goes to trial, and I fully expect that it will, she will get plenty of tv time.

There is no way she comes out looking anything other than terrible.

She will be remembered, and condemned.

As she should.

 

[gitana1]

Killer fiance Patrick Frazee's mistress 'will plead guilty to tampering with physical evidence | Daily Mail Online
Krystal Jean Lee Kenney will plead guilty to one count of tampering with physical evidence in court on Friday according to the district attorney's office.

That crime was committed on November 24 according to court documents, two days after Kelsey Berreth disappeared, having last been seen by fiance Patrick Frazee.

Lee and Frazee have known one another for years, and she has long been a person of interest in the case.

She will only get a fine and probation under the current charge, and it is not known if she made a deal with prosecutors. bbm

Sorry for being stupid but when was the last ping and the texts? I can't recall if we know that.

 

[nwmouse]

So there it is. Looks like a deal. Man she's lucky. PF not so much.

Interesting. In the previous thread there was a question about whether KK would "stand by her man" or squeal.

I believe that someone with such a poor moral compass will always squeal to save themselves. Especially when questioned by LE.

Looks like she did. Probably after the first day of questioning...

MOO

 

[gitana1]

We are not entitled to the answers to these questions, and we will have some of these answers soon enough.

They are running a tight investigation, and the leaks have been minimal.

That is a good thing.

It certainly is. Sometimes I feel like people think if the public isn't given access to LE's case file then the evidence just isn't there.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Sorry for being stupid but when was the last ping and the texts? I can't recall if we know that.

Nov 25th

 

[gitana1]

Nov 25th

Hmm.

 

[Seattle1]

Sorry for being stupid but when was the last ping and the texts? I can't recall if we know that.

Reportedly, there were 2 texts (Employer and PF) by KB phone on 11/25. Pings reported in Gooding, ID on same date.