CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[InvSmith]

the texts to him and to her employer rule out a stranger too because only someone who knew her well would know where to send those

At some point, she was going to be declared missing. Her texts (technically PF/KK texts) said she would be out of work for a week. By the time she was seriously being looked for, a week was over. A national search was going to happen.

 

[Dave F.]

No, there are several iterations of where Baby K was picked up as told by PF. LE noted this early on.

I think more correctly LE doesn't know where PF picked the baby up because PF only talked to CB about it. I think CB made it clear in her Dec. 10th television interview that the conversation with PF was very brief. IMO

 

[skyedaze]

This strange thought just crossed my mind, I think because I read too many of those crime magazines back in the 60's lol......but....what if, KB called the relationship off but wanted shared parenting for the child because she knew about KK. KK gets preggers by PF but PF doesn't want to deal with KK and her ways, he proceeds to try talk KK into killing KB him knowing KK would get caught then he would have custody of KB baby and would get custody of KK's once born. I need to write crime novels.... He would then have the cash flow you speak of plus SS and any insurance money. A sick twisted mind if that's the case. BTW, I don't know if KK is preggers, just a thought.

If this isn't allowed my apologies and please delete!

Well, I have pretty much though KK was a side piece booty call...and PF was only using her to get her to kill off KB and then KK takes the fall for all of it. And then PF goes on with his life as he wants with no "blood" on his hands. He could say KK was jealous of his relationship with KB, KB is super cute, KB had his kid...so KK went wack and killed KB to have him all for herself (cuz he's so awesome right?) and he had "nothing" to do with it.

Basically get his part time booty call KK to do his dirty work and then later throw her under the bus for it and be rid of her as well.

 

[Aydrianna523]

That was where I was going. I have been confused with everyone thinking he would pay child support automatically. It is not my area but I know enough women that are the primary income that get divorced that do not get support. Thank you!

You might have to put down your expenses (not just income only). Perhaps kb would have lots more expenses than pf. She has the townhouse, cars and lots of expenses, i.e., gas use for commuting, etc. If they made equal salaries, but he has less expenses because he lives at home vs her having higher overhead than he might be paying...
I'm guessing.

 

[InvSmith]

Actually it is just your opinion because the DA has refused to elaborate. A fact we do know is that LE have concluded KB is dead and that it may have involved a robbery. KK isn't charged with robbery or murder but PF is charged with two counts plus three counts of solicitation. I doubt PF solicited a murder three times to the same person and after she turned him down three times, he decided to do it himself. I think PF is too much a coward to do it himself and the reason the case is sealed is because they are protecting the identity of a cooperating witness.

The multiple solicitation charges suggest he at least attempted to engage someone or multiple people to kill Berreth on three occasions. According to charging documents, the solicitations happened between Sept. 1 and Nov. 1.

But May, in an interview with The Denver Post, said he could not comment on facts, including whether Frazee solicited multiple people to kill Barreth. He cited the case having been sealed.

Kelsey Berreth’s fiancé Patrick Frazee formally charged with murder

If it means anything, the R's indicated KK was solicited three times.

 

[amm]

Well, I have pretty much though KK was a side piece booty call...and PF was only using her to get her to kill off KB and then KK takes the fall for all of it. And then PF goes on with his life as he wants with no "blood" on his hands. He could say KK was jealous of his relationship with KB, KB is super cute, KB had his kid...so KK went wack and killed KB to have him all for herself (cuz he's so awesome right?) and he had "nothing" to do with it.

Basically get his part time booty call KK to do his dirty work and then later throw her under the bus for it.

Skyedaze, IMO, we will see that defense come out at some point. I think there could be a lot of mudslinging going on eventually.

 

[InvSmith]

One good thing the DA has going for him is the fact that both of these defendants are not only delusional but also incredibly unlikable human beings.

JMO

And KB is just soooooo emphatic. Just heartbreaking...

 

[InvSmith]

What? Ok which is it?

These literary say the exact same thing. Mrs. R saw communications on social media first and asked for action, didn't follow-up, and no reporting occurred. This caused a serious delay in reporting until after KB's death. The R's did not report until December seeing CB on T.V. The information is on KMVT.

 

[srg]

That was where I was going. I have been confused with everyone thinking he would pay child support automatically. It is not my area but I know enough women that are the primary income that get divorced that do not get support. Thank you!

Agree that it doesn’t seem child support was PFs issue. Even if it was I don’t think he’d admit to being upset about something that “petty.”

I’ve been thinking he is more about preserving his illusionary image of being a rodeo man who takes care of his momma while being a hands-on father. And then for him to utter with a sad look (with striking similarities to Steve in Blues Clues as MassGuy recently pointed out) “Unfortunately, my baby’s momma just ran off.”

But, what I don’t get is the robbery theory. Maybe I’ve missed something, and if so I’m so curious to understand. Was the “robbery” real as in did he and whoever else try to take KBs money/items?? Was the plan to “only” commit robbery (despite solicitation charges) or what?

The robbery just seems so out of place if PF had been plotting to have KB murdered. Why would you add a robbery scene?

 

[MassGuy]

Skyedaze, IMO, we will see that defense come out at some point. I think there could be a lot of mudslinging going on eventually.

That defense will only work if the facts allow for it.

If KK was not in Colorado until after the crime, then good luck to the defense.

I get the feeling that there are likely text messages or phone records, that show that PF contacted her in an effort to secure her participation in the coverup.

No matter what, it appears that law enforcement has fully vetted the possibility of KK being more directly involved, and determined that not to be the case.

PF is in big trouble.

 

[Oregon]

If it means anything, the R's indicated KK was solicited three times.

IMO at least 3 conversations re getting rid of KB. I hate writing that. It is so immoral and heartbreaking.

 

[susiQ]

This strange thought just crossed my mind, I think because I read too many of those crime magazines back in the 60's lol......but....what if, KB called the relationship off but wanted shared parenting for the child because she knew about KK. KK gets preggers by PF but PF doesn't want to deal with KK and her ways, he proceeds to try talk KK into killing KB him knowing KK would get caught then he would have custody of KB baby and would get custody of KK's once born. I need to write crime novels.... He would then have the cash flow you speak of plus SS and any insurance money. A sick twisted mind if that's the case. BTW, I don't know if KK is preggers, just a thought.

If this isn't allowed my apologies and please delete!

@lindaromas You have a fertile mind I don't think being with child is something you want to be if involved with PF. It doesn't end well Actually, being involved with him AT ALL, doesn't end well. I've felt all along, if KB had not had baby K, she may still be alive. PF could have walked away when he was finished with her and continued his "relationship" (whatever kind it was) with KK and found someone else to have an "affair" with. He's such a dirt bag. Thank goodness he's behind bars. I just wish KK was too. I know she's only going to get a slap on the wrist and that really bugs me, but I can't wait to see PF's attorney have at her!

 

[Oregon]

Agree that it doesn’t seem child support was PFs issue. Even if it was I don’t think he’d admit to being upset about something that “petty.”

I’ve been thinking he is more about preserving his illusionary image of being a rodeo man who takes care of his momma while being a hands-on father. And then for him to utter with a sad look (with striking similarities to Steve in Blues Clues as MassGuy recently pointed out) “Unfortunately, my baby’s momma just ran off.”

But, what I don’t get is the robbery theory. Maybe I’ve missed something, and if so I’m so curious to understand. Was the “robbery” real as in did he and whoever else try to take KBs money/items?? Was the plan to “only” commit robbery (despite solicitation charges) or what?

The robbery just seems so out of place if PF had been plotting to have KB murdered. Why would you add a robbery scene?

Re: Robbery. She may have had a safe, money, a gun, jewelry, computer, small things that were taken. It could have been an alternative plan or scenerio planned by PF/KKL. Possibly she was “rushed” after answering the door, thus, robbery not burglary.

 

[srg]

Re: Robbery. She may have had a safe, money, a gun, jewelry, computer, small things that were taken. It could have been an alternative plan or scenerio planned by PF/KKL. Possibly she was “rushed” after answering the door, thus, robbery not burglary.

True. Good points.

Makes me wonder if PF had some -friends commit a “robbery gone bad” with the intention to kill KB. And this plan was implemented after KK (or whoever the solicitees) declined killing KB at least 3 times.

Or of course, as stated before, the robbery might refer to something that was stolen during the killing. Like a cell phone.

 

[allboys]

That defense will only work if the facts allow for it.

If KK was not in Colorado until after the crime, then good luck to the defense.

I get the feeling that there are likely text messages or phone records, that show that PF contacted her in an effort to secure her participation in the coverup.

No matter what, it appears that law enforcement has fully vetted the possibility of KK being more directly involved, and determined that not to be the case.

PF is in big trouble.

I have a feeling burner phones were used quite extensively. This may be a factor in making KK’s testimony more crucial/needed.

 

[InvSmith]

IMO at least 3 conversations re getting rid of KB. I hate writing that. It is so immoral and heartbreaking.

Right. I guess there had to be three separate requests with intent to carry out the act. Poor KB...

 

[1&2&3]

which is a bit weird if he then followed her home (?) and parked behind her....why track her to Safeway?

Remember, we have never seen KB exiting Safeway. For some reason, LE has kept this piece of video out of the public eyes. Many of us here at WS have suspected the reason being it shows PF at Safeway or in the parking lot.

Now that we know about KK being in town and is pleading guilty to something on Friday, the video of KB exiting the Safeway may show KK being at the store or in the parking lot.

IMO, KK was more involved in the preplanning and after steps than LE has chosen to charge her with. Not the actual murder, but is aware of the entire plot.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Remember, we have never seen KB exiting Safeway. For some reason, LE has kept this piece of video out of the public eyes. Many of us here at WS have suspected the reason being it shows PF at Safeway or in the parking lot.

Now that we know about KK being in town and is pleading guilty to something on Friday, the video of KB exiting the Safeway may show KK being at the store or in the parking lot.

IMO, KK was more involved in the preplanning and after steps than LE has chosen to charge her with. Not the actual murder, but is aware of the entire plot.

You're more gracious than I am, 1&2&3, because I think she knew every dirty, disgusting detail before, during AND after.
MOO, MOO, MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Well, I have pretty much though KK was a side piece booty call...and PF was only using her to get her to kill off KB and then KK takes the fall for all of it. And then PF goes on with his life as he wants with no "blood" on his hands. He could say KK was jealous of his relationship with KB, KB is super cute, KB had his kid...so KK went wack and killed KB to have him all for herself (cuz he's so awesome right?) and he had "nothing" to do with it.

Basically get his part time booty call KK to do his dirty work and then later throw her under the bus for it and be rid of her as well.

It won't surprise me if that is exactly what PF tries to do.

JMO

 

[InvSmith]

True. Good points.

Makes me wonder if PF had some ****-friends commit a “robbery gone bad” with the intention to kill KB. And this plan was implemented after KK (or whoever the solicitees) declined killing KB at least 3 times.

Or of course, as stated before, the robbery might refer to something that was stolen during the killing. Like a cell phone.

What if, PF tried to get KK to do this act through pressure and she said no three times over the couple of months. The events are spread out with intent for each count. The entire time thinking she was going to be the person he framed for it all. This fail through when she refused. He goes to plan B which is this robbery idea or just charge 1 but still needs to alibi himself and frame KK. He calls her and convinces her to take the phone and send the messages; he has it all planned out. His intent is to frame her. She has the phone and it pings where she lives. She figures all this out and decided to tell all she knows. He doesn't know data well enough that LE can still retrieve it without the phone.