CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

I don’t even know how to say this.

KK’s fear of PF was not as strong as her love for him. IMO.

She is the one who drove herself 800 miles from Idaho to Colorado knowing what his plans were and the reason she was going down there.

She may not have known exactly how she was to help, however, she knew KB would be dead and PF needed her help.

As I see it, KK did not or should not have made the trip to Colorado. She could have used many excuses for not going, her car broke, her babysitter cancelled, etc. She could have told him she would be there the next day to buy herself time.

In the meantime, KK should have gone to the police and told them what she knew. She could have told them to look for a missing KB to begin with, which she knew they wouldn’t find.

This way it wouldn’t be a “she said, he said” situation. KB would be gone. The BFF could be interviewed for what she knew as well as the R lawyers by Idaho police. KK could have hidden out someplace for protection.

I seriously question if the jurors are going to be able to look past KK’s involvement. While it is PF on trial, I believe the jury will question why KK was given such a light plea deal and will not give PK the maximum charge.

There will have to be strong evidence that paints PF guilty without a doubt - info that the public is unaware of..

I can't take the leap to say KK was there when KB was murdered but I believe she was an accessory after the fact never mind had ample foreknowledge which makes her culpable in my eyes if not in a court of law. Her plea deal reflects the amount of info she provided for LE to determine KB was indeed dead and where to look for that evidence.

I doubt a jury will sympathize with her or believe she was a "victim" of PF. She will leave them with a very bad taste in their mouth but I believe the evidence she provides will outweigh their disdain for her. Many will "clue in" and contemplate HER selfish motive in all of this, to "stand by her man." Trust me the defence is not going to let her off easy. Quite the contrary. The jury will likely believe her account of what transpired. I believe the DA thinks so to and that's why they made the deal with her. I don't think PF is going to get any reduction in a sentencing. He's done. MOO

 

[indicolite22]

And I don’t care what BFF says, KK was 100 % involved in the planning of and possibly the actual murder itself and/or cleanup imo.

So far, it's entirely possible to me that KK was only an accessory after the fact. Could she have been more than that? Sure, but currently available information doesn't suport it. If there was evidence to the contrary, there would be no deal.

 

[susiQ]

Does anybody else think that maybe PF is setting up KK for murder?

Well, if that was his plan he overestimated his ability to pull it off and failed miserably. I'll believe that was his intent if a witness comes forward to corroborate that's what his intention was. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

So far, it's entirely possible to me that KK was only an accessory after the fact. Could she have been more than that? Sure, but currently available information doesn't suport it. If there was evidence to the contrary, there would be no deal.

Yup, I totally agree.

The evidence that we are aware of, indicates that she was an accessory after the fact.

There is nothing to indicate that she was involved in the planning, or the murder itself.

I really dislike this woman, and I think her actions are horrendous, but calling her a murderer is based on emotion, not facts.

We’ll have to wait in order to understand the true nature of her involvement.

 

[susiQ]

Like all of us, I've been thinking....

When was the business with the cellphones planned?

For me, this kind of falls into two parts. The first part is when PF picks up Baby K and KB is never seen alive again. He disposed of her body and he could have stopped there - go home, play dumb, and get on with life - assuming he didn't get caught and he didn't plan to.

The second part is the phone business, designed to buy time and lead investigators on a wild goose chase somewhere between Gooding, Idaho and KB's grandmother's or parents' homes. That was 100% KK's part, because PF wanted to stay close to home. That would be his alibi and everyone would assume KB had gone missing somewhere in Idaho.

Did PF come up with this phone plan after he killed KB? Because if he did, I think he was still trying to set KK up. I say 'still' because he was trying to keep his hands clean and get her to do the dirty work in the first place and I don't think it was because he was squeamish.

He could tell the authorities he thought KB was going to see a sick grandma, but if the pressure got intense, he could mention that he did happen to have a jealous recently divorced ex-gf. Of course, when the cops asked where she lived, big surprise, she lives half an hour away from where the phone pinged and KB presumably disappeared.

The cellphone business always bothered me, particularly because the story would have worked much better (KB driving to Grandma's) if one of her cars was gone. He had to know it wouldn't buy much time - a week or two at most - and then the authorities would be called in. Was he trying to buy time because somehow it lessened the chances that KB's body would be found?

That would be true of the landfill, if he put her there. The longer it took them to start a search, the harder it would be to find anything. However, for some reason, I just don't think he took her to the landfill. Too many other places he must know of around there.

Hmmmm! Interesting thought. Not sure I could give him that much intellectual credit but hey, you never know

 

[Artis]

She knew, she allowed it to happen. She wanted it to happen or she would have stopped it.

^^Succinct and spot on.

 

[indicolite22]

She is the one who drove herself 800 miles from Idaho to Colorado knowing what his plans were and the reason she was going down there.

We don't know for sure why she went to Colorado for Thanksgiving. Perhaps to visit PF and her relatives?

She may not have known exactly how she was to help, however, she knew KB would be dead and PF needed her help.

I haven't seen any evidence that would confirm her knowledge of PF's plans for that particular ocassion.

As I see it, KK did not or should not have made the trip to Colorado.

Do we know that this was the first time she visited PF since being solicited to kill? How do we know that he didn't stop talking about it afterwards?

 

[LovesPeace2]

I'm hoping Idaho's friends yapping isn't going to cause problems in the trial.theres so much anger focused on Idaho that pf seems to be a bit player.

 

[acutename]

My one and only problem with the "fear" story, is this;
Lets say I was so terrified for my life and the life of my children that I felt I had no other choice than to do what PF asked. My primary loyalty is to my kids and protecting them. I would do anything for them.

So I do what he asks, because now I am even more terrified, he has already killed one woman (KB). I take the phone and i do what he says and drive it to Idaho.

If i was so terrified, I know he has killed once. There is no question I'm not safe even if I do what he asks re the phone. So I drive and take that phone to the nearest major police station and tell them everything I know.

She had everything to gain by going to LE, after she had the phone. Protection from the person she apparently feared the most. Protection for her kids. He wasn't holding anyone hostage until she completed her task. Maybe LE wouldn't have believed the solicitation stuff, but KK had KB's phone and the police would not be able to find KB.

That she didn't go to LE after she had the phone, is the nail in the coffin for me. Can't wait to hear how she answers that when the defense team grills her.

you actually do not know when she talked to LE but if she is worried about something about her being exposed, she does not want to go to LE. she would not feel safe, but she also would not want LE to investigate: rock and a hard place.

 

[Elley Mae]

Does anybody else think that maybe PF is setting up KK for murder?

Wouldn’t surprise me if he did, and it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[indicolite22]

Was he trying to buy time because somehow it lessened the chances that KB's body would be found?

IMO he was going for "no evidence, no crime" and "no body, no conviction".

 

[acutename]

I can't speak to the situation in Idaho, but I can provide some insight regarding the mindset of people in communities similar to it in surrounding states. The critical factor is whether community members are helpful or hurtful, particularly if the "family name" is being threatened. A large portion of the land within small ranching communities is owned by only a few families. In the ID, WY, MO, CO region those families have generally been long time residents. They start out buying a plot of land and ranching or farming it in order to support their family. If they are fortunate the business succeeds and the start accumulating savings to purchase more land to increase their income. After a couple of decades these residents are the same people that decide it is time to provide some services that will benefit the community. The landowners form partnerships and provide things like a local bank, a closer place to shop for daily needs, repair places for their equipment, doctors/dentists, apartments (so their employees can stay close), etc. The vast number of families I have been associated with have viewed that in a noble way. They are making their "hometown" more comfortable for their friends and family. If you are a resident of their hometown, even if these more powerful families are wonderful people, you are always aware that it is best to "for them" and "not against them". If the local media speaks in an unfavorable way about someone, the friends and family will withdraw their support. In a small town that is frequently a shortcut to closing your doors. Residents cancel their subscriptions and if you've been borrowing from the bank to operate your business the funding will dry up, etc. It's difficult for "cityfolk" to comprehend the level of support, both fiscally and socially, provided to families in small and isolated communities. People who are at odds with the "community viewpoint" generally pick up stakes and move away. jmoo

I think that KK was generally viewed favorably in her home area and her family is well thought of and well connected. I do not think that people hate her. I think this whole situation is shocking to them. She was the girl next door with some honors and awards as well. (IMO)

 

[jaspermac]

you actually do not know when she talked to LE but if she is worried about something about her being exposed, she does not want to go to LE. she would not feel safe, but she also would not want LE to investigate: rock and a hard place.

We know she didn't talk to LE on the day she drove the phone back to Idaho, and that is what I am saying. If she was so terrified of PF, all she had to do was stop in at the police station and tell the police she knows PF killed KB, he forced her to take the phone and dispose of it. But she knew that was wrong and is turning it in and turning him in.

Threat gone.

Re anything else about her being exposed- that was not what the R's or MS indicated it was fear for her own life or children's- he had possibly killed before. If it was even a remote possibility I don't think you would see her with the deal that she has now because if PF scared her so much that he would tell, then he would have told.. otherwise she really had no need to be that scared... so the fear thing kind of just doesn't hold weight for me with KK

 

[acutename]

Hypothetically posting, if KK tricked PF by getting pregnant, I can see how she might fear his wrath. He'd be furious. Rule #1 never get the side chick pregnant.

“ Stein said she believed her friend had “very, very good reasoning for whatever it is she may or may not have done.”

in the initial coverage, where PF was "the fiancee" and KB was this sweet, quiet, industrious person, and PF was a doting father, things seemed one way. If there actually is another pregnancy, or another child somewhere, PF's life seems much more complicated, nefarious and dangerous.

 

[?mysterian?]

I'm hoping Idaho's friends yapping isn't going to cause problems in the trial.theres so much anger focused on Idaho that pf seems to be a bit player.

Have no fear, PF's day is coming, 7 days from now, barring a continuance.

 

[InvSmith]

Does anybody else think that maybe PF is setting up KK for murder?

I think this will be the defense's reasonable doubt argument

 

[acutename]

This is where I am at at this point. I think they both schemed together every step of the way with PF being the ringleader and KK being the cheerleader.

I do like SusieQs theories though. In a way it would make more sense. Very interesting discussions tonight. Thanks everyone.

KK did live 800 miles away from KB and possibly never saw or met her. possible that all she knew about KB was sourced from PF who might have said some very derogatory things. in reality, KB had zero impact on KK's daily life, but KB and the baby were in PF's life daily. So, IMO, PF had about 98% more motive. (still do not understand why his life was to be "improved" by her death, but I am not PF)

 

[NoeticSoul]

dbm

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

I think this will be the defense's reasonable doubt argument

Agreed, and KK certainly is cooperating in setting it up for him.

 

[justaparent]

I haven't seen any evidence that would confirm her knowledge of PF's plans for that particular ocassion.

And honestly, we have no idea about the evidence that caused LE to arrest PF. We’ve heard her statement and are assuming they have a solid case against him but we really know very little. Just mentioning because we are all assuming things about PF even though we are pretty much in the dark.

Much about KK and PF is still conjecture at this point.

And yes, I believe they are both guilty. I flip-flop back-and-forth as to which one instigated the murder. There’s just so much we don’t know (and likely won’t until the trial).