CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[acutename]

Hmmmm! Interesting thought. Not sure I could give him that much intellectual credit but hey, you never know

had to involve PF because one thought was that she was supposedly going to ID to visit the sick grandmother, and ID (as opposed to any other state or place) was to connect to that. assuming only PF knew about the illness and location.

 

[susiQ]

Sept was almost a year after baby K's birth; KB was working, driving, going about business, so, not impossible, I guess, but timing for PPD seems off. if PF was working off any bad thing KB ever said to him in a moment of anger or frustration, that would be crazy.

Even if it wasn't PD, have you ever lived in a relationship with someone who quite likely has a personality disorder? It's an emotional roller coaster. You never know what you're going to get. Walking on eggshells, MOST of the time. Then imagine you find out he's stepping out on you with an old flame.

And, do I think PF is crazy? Oh yes, VERY, and he would use ANY excuse to take out someone he felt was impeding his plans/lifestyle. NO doubt, in my mind. He did it!

 

[indicolite22]

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Perhaps not "evidence" but we have the R's word for MS, that she "begged her not to go." And, by the 26th both MS and the R's new "that girl" was missing. I guess we have to take that for what it's worth.

From the Rs' CBS interview (part 3):
The Rockstahl’s say, on Krystal’s last trip to Colorado, Michelle begged her best friend not to go. “Because she was worried about Krystal,” Patty said. “She was very concerned that she was going to meet someone that had asked her to murder someone.”

Part 3: Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

It does not follow from the above that KK knew of PF's particular plans. Her friend was just worried that she would go back to a guy who had murderous thoughts, meaning that he's a dangerous guy.

 

[Artis]

I’m going to have to somewhat disagree with Nancy Grace. While I agree it’s important that the prosecution has PF’s accomplice after the fact, KK’s friends and their little dog and pony shows are a huge liability to her credibility, especially when they’re contradicting each other.

Best friend says KK didn’t know about KB being the fiancée and PF being the father of Baby K. We know that’s bs because the Rs said PF told KK that KB was crazy and a danger to the baby. They say that info came from KK’s best friend.

And of course the aforementioned idea of how ridiculous it would be that PF never gave a reason for why he wanted KB dead.

The Rs admit that Kk was solicited to commit murder months before it actually happened and did nothing to prevent it. How is that playing with potential jurors who see this in the news?

Best friend begged KK not to go to Colorado but she did anyways. Yet we’re supposed to believe KK went to help PF because she was scared? She was 800 miles away. If anything, she put herself directly in danger by going to PF.

I mean, we can all sit here and realize these things. Plus many of us feel that KK was much more involved than she claims. I personally think she saw KB as an obstacle that she jealously wanted out of the way. I think she was more than happy with the idea of KB being out of PF’s life forever.

Point being, KK does not present well to the general public, and her ‘PR squad’ are only making that worse.

Would I still convict PF of murder? Well yeah, based on what we know and assuming there’s no compelling evidence to the contrary.

However, the fact that the star witness is a big fat liar has the real potential to make at least one juror discard her testimony. A lying liar who lies doesn’t make for the best witness.

So I would say that, all This considered, KK is far from the ideal witness and doesn’t make this case a slam dunk.

ITA but would correct one point. M said KK only "recently" found about Kelsey and the baby. Recently could be a year ago, for all we know. It's clear that she knew about them as it's reported she was solicited to kill the mother of PF's child.

 

[EyesofTheSouth]

I’m not honestly that confident that Kk got such a sweet deal because she provided such important evidence. I think she’s the only witness they have who can and will say that PF murdered KB.

Not that they don’t have sufficient proof that he did it, but having a witness who will say he talked about it for months and confessed to doing it is something every prosecutor would like to have. Especially if they don’t have a body or any hopes of finding KB.

I do remind myself that the solicitations, as far as we know right now, are just based on KK’s word. That’s what she told the police.

But we don’t actually know if those conversations were him asking her to kill KB and her being resistant, or if it was both of them plotting back and forth. If we see some tangible evidence like texts, then fair play. Until then, it’s just KK’s word, which I don’t find particularly reliable.

But of course when she talked to police, she certainly wasn’t going to admit she was in on the plotting, especially if there are no texts or evidence. She’s not going to willingly admit to something they can’t prove.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Someone out there just said, "hold my beer". Just watch.

I love you. You made my day

 

[ajaylee]

I'd like to know more about what PF said that made KK suspect he might have killed before.

Once again, I try to put myself in her shoes and I ask myself what could a friend (or anyone on here!) say or post to me that would make me shiver and think "OMG....I think s/he might have killed before!"

Seems to me that the only way to make that convincing would be to name someone that Krystal knew or had heard of or could look up who had been killed and the killer never identified.

 

[susiQ]

From the Rs' CBS interview (part 3):
The Rockstahl’s say, on Krystal’s last trip to Colorado, Michelle begged her best friend not to go. “Because she was worried about Krystal,” Patty said. “She was very concerned that she was going to meet someone that had asked her to murder someone.”

Part 3: Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

It does not follow from the above that KK knew of PF's particular plans. Her friend was just worried that she would go back to a guy who had murderous thoughts, meaning that he's a dangerous guy.

Well then, why did she go?? She was 800 miles away. If she was SO scared she should not have gone and headed straight for help instead and give KB half a chance. That's not what she did.

 

[NoeticSoul]

I'd like to know more about what PF said that made KK suspect he might have killed before.

Once again, I try to put myself in her shoes and I ask myself what could a friend (or anyone on here!) say or post to me that would make me shiver and think "OMG....I think s/he might have killed before!"

Seems to me that the only way to make that convincing would be to name someone that Krystal knew or had heard of or could look up who had been killed and the killer never identified.

There are a few murders in this area that go unsolved, Mindy Lee being one, among others.

 

[Artis]

She's understandably protective of her friend, but in court, unlike on TV, she'll be questioned by people who will insist on hearing everything, even if she thinks it makes her friend look bad.

The lawyers will have to weigh in on this because I'm not sure there's a scenario in which M could be called as a witness in a trial of PF. Any testimony she has to offer, regarding PF, would be hearsay. Unfortunately, KK is not on trial. I'm wondering if the defense can also call KK as their own witness and if, perhaps, that could open the door to M being called to testify regarding her. I don't know since KK's not on trial but, I can sort of imagine her being impeached and using M toward that effort.

 

[ajaylee]

There are a few murders in this area that go unsolved, Mindy Lee being one, among others.

There are also the missing, both reported (Terri Ackerman) and possibly unreported or from out of state.

 

[SandyQLS]

The lawyers will have to weigh in on this because I'm not sure there's a scenario in which M could be called as a witness in a trial of PF. Any testimony she has to offer, regarding PF, would be hearsay. Unfortunately, KK is not on trial. I'm wondering if the defense can also call KK as their own witness and if, perhaps, that could open the door to M being called to testify regarding her. I don't know since KK's not on trial but, I can sort of imagine her being impeached and using M toward that effort.

The esteemed board lawyers would be better to answer this. I believe that both defense and prosecution can call witnesses to affirm or to refute the direct testimony of any witness.

For example, the prosecution could call MS to affirm part of KK's testimony, like what date did KK speak to MS, what time did MS see KK on a specified date like Thanksgiving. It's a little dangerous though, because the other side then is allowed to examine that witness. If the Defense knows KK tells a lie on the stand, they can call MS to directly refute KK's statement.

 

[Artis]

How bout a cow chip cookie?

Much better. I also like the idea of losing a bet with yourself and the punishment being having to eat cookies.

 

[NoeticSoul]

There are also the missing, both reported (Terri Ackerman) and possibly unreported or from out of state.

Yes exactly, and who knows what else will come of this. KK has to cooperate with any and all INVESTIGATIONS (it was plural) as requested (that involve PF or herself I am assuming). They now have her finger prints as well as PF's so time will tell what comes up of any cold cases around here and what KK may know of anything else PF has done in the past..

 

[indicolite22]

But we don’t actually know if those conversations were him asking her to kill KB and her being resistant, or if it was both of them plotting back and forth. If we see some tangible evidence like texts, then fair play. Until then, it’s just KK’s word, which I don’t find particularly reliable.

Well, the police seems to believe KK on this one, since they charged PF for solicitation. It's possible that there's corroborating evidence.

 

[lindaromas]

The lawyers will have to weigh in on this because I'm not sure there's a scenario in which M could be called as a witness in a trial of PF. Any testimony she has to offer, regarding PF, would be hearsay. Unfortunately, KK is not on trial. I'm wondering if the defense can also call KK as their own witness and if, perhaps, that could open the door to M being called to testify regarding her. I don't know since KK's not on trial but, I can sort of imagine her being impeached and using M toward that effort.

Didn’t DA May say hearsay would be present on the 19th?

 

[Artis]

I don’t even know how to say this.

KK’s fear of PF was not as strong as her love for him. IMO.

She is the one who drove herself 800 miles from Idaho to Colorado knowing what his plans were and the reason she was going down there.

She may not have known exactly how she was to help, however, she knew KB would be dead and PF needed her help.

As I see it, KK did not or should not have made the trip to Colorado. She could have used many excuses for not going, her car broke, her babysitter cancelled, etc. She could have told him she would be there the next day to buy herself time.

In the meantime, KK should have gone to the police and told them what she knew. She could have told them to look for a missing KB to begin with, which she knew they wouldn’t find.

This way it wouldn’t be a “she said, he said” situation. KB would be gone. The BFF could be interviewed for what she knew as well as the R lawyers by Idaho police. KK could have hidden out someplace for protection.

I seriously question if the jurors are going to be able to look past KK’s involvement. While it is PF on trial, I believe the jury will question why KK was given such a light plea deal and will not give PK the maximum charge.

There will have to be strong evidence that paints PF guilty without a doubt - info that the public is unaware of..

She was involved because she wanted to be. If it turns she was at the scene when Kelsey was killed, I'm gonna blow a gasket.

I don't like plea deals. They allow the guilty to walk and the innocent to be terrorized into pleading guilty.

 

[MassGuy]

Well, the police seems to believe KK on this one, since they charged PF for solicitation. It's possible that there's corroborating evidence.

It’s not only possible that there’s corroborating evidence, it is a certainty.

The only question is how solid it is.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes exactly, and who knows what else will come of this. KK has to cooperate with any and all INVESTIGATIONS (it was plural) as requested (that involve PF or herself I am assuming). They now have her finger prints as well as PF's so time will tell what comes up of any cold cases around here and what KK may know of anything else PF has done in the past..

Just because he used the plural, doesn’t mean that there are other cases.

This just covers the DA’s butt, if that were to end up being the case.

I absolutely don’t believe that there will be any cold cases solved by this.

This crime was deeply personal, and almost certainly isolated.

 

[The Saint]

But we do have the R’s saying that MS begged KKL not to go. Implying that she went anyway.

I'm saying that she could have flown or rode down with someone else.
We don't know that she droven herself in her own car back and forth.