CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[AgeofAquaruis]

Sure. I’m referring to PF’s mother though, and what she knew about the whole situation.

We can make guesses, but we don’t know what PF was telling her about KB.

PF lived separately from KB, and his mother would not be privy to the true nature of their relationship.

He could have been feeding her lies, and she might have believed them.

It’s also possible that his mother just didn’t like KB.

We don’t know.

Well she had to know at least after the search started heating up. Yet she did nothing to reach out to Kelsey's family, or help in the search. LE had to do all the hard work. The whole time she sheltered PF while he kept Baby K away from Kelsey's family. Again LE had to go arrest PF, and get custody of Baby K. She had to know where PF was on the 22nd, and how long he was gone. She knew he was last one to see Kelsey alive, for 'the exchange'.
She knew LE needed help, being the family has LE backround she would know how important it is to help find Baby K's mommy,and have Baby K, see her mommy's family.
MOO

 

[Mom24]

We have no idea what PF was telling his mother and family about KB. He could have been telling them that she was on drugs, unstable and has done this type of thing in the past. That's what I assume he was doing. I think that PF is used to lying and manipulating everyone (especially the women) in his life.

JMO.

PF's family would have known, since PF lived with his mother, if KB had run off before. Additionally, if they believed that's what happened because that was the story he was telling them, they would have reported KB. PF had two family members in LE, had they been told and believed such stories they would have been required to report that unsafe behavior.

 

[katydid23]

Never reported her missing? Don’t you think she only found out KB was missing when everyone else did, after the welfare check on Dec 3?

As for searches and vigils, I’m pretty sure there were no organized searches. Don’t know about vigils. And I’ve already stated why I think it wasn’t a good idea for the F or the B families to interact during that very brief period of time.

I wouldn't think she found out when everyone else did. She had the baby in her care. Wouldn't she expect the mother to call and check in at some point? When I babysit my grandbaby, my DIL texts and calls and facetimes us, every couple of hours. She would never go days and days with no word.

There were organized searches. I posted about them a few posts ago.

If my DIL was missing, the first call I'd make, after one to my son, would be to her parents.

 

[MassGuy]

Well she had to know at least after the search started heating up. Yet she did nothing to reach out to Kelsey's family, or help in the search. LE had to do all the hard work. The whole time she sheltered PF while he kept Baby K away from Kelsey's family. Again LE had to go arrest PF, and get custody of Baby K. She had to know where PF was on the 22nd, and how long he was gone. She knew he was last one to see Kelsey alive, for 'the exchange'.
She knew LE needed help, being the family has LE backround she would know how important it is to help find Baby K's mommy,and have Baby K, see her mommy's family.
MOO

Yeah, I agree with you on this, and have an overall negative opinion of her.

My point is that we just don’t know enough to make a solid judgement about all of this, as there could potentially be things that we do not know.

In the Watts case for instance, I also had an overall negative opinion of his parents. But after they gave their media interviews, I had a solid basis in order to make a judgement about them.

Vile people.

 

[?mysterian?]

I'd guess they had a plan. Holiday weekends are hard to get time off for, those with seniority get first choice, there has to be a certain amount of coverage so only a set number can ask for those days off. Some places require that if you ask for holiday time off you have to make arrangements yourself to have someone cover your shift. Equally hard to call in sick, unless you have proof.

I remember discussion about this after we learned KKL was a pre-op nurse at the hospital and some posters felt like she would have been scheduled off during T-giving as there probably weren't surgical procedures scheduled during the holiday, IIRC. That was threads and threads ago, though, so who knows?

 

[katydid23]

I am very curious as to how PF played this with his family; particularly his mother, with whom he shared a residence, and who provided child care for little K. He had to have told her something. In all fairness, if he told her that KB told him she was going to visit her sick grandmother, she would have had no reason to disbelieve him until KB was reported missing. Perhaps we may eventually find out exactly what he told her. I'm thinking "hostile witness". MOO

Right, but even if she thought that KB was visiting a sick grandmother, wouldn't she expect that KB was still going to call or text and check on her baby? I'd expect a face time session to show the ailing grandma her great grandbaby.

 

[Artis]

She definitely did more than she is pleading too, I have no doubt about that.

I’m also confident that this particular attorney, got her a better deal than she would have otherwise gotten with another lawyer.

That being said, the evidence is the evidence, and the prosecution clearly does not believe that she is involved to the extent that some people on here do.

They definitely don’t think she drove the plot, or (likely) was even an accessory before the fact.

It doesn’t make her a good person (I think she’s a horrible human being).

That or they really don't have much on Frazee and desperately need her testimony.

What do you wanna bet she knows the disposition of Kelsey's remains?

 

[NoeticSoul]

I missed out on the 5 am arrest ...

I think it was five o'clock somewhere............but it was 8:30 am MST where they cuffed him. IMO

It was the timing of the arrest compared to their attempt at departure that was the point.. not the time of arrrest.

 

[Mom24]

I remember discussion about this after we learned KKL was a pre-op nurse at the hospital and some posters felt like she would have been scheduled off during T-giving as there probably weren't surgical procedures scheduled during the holiday, IIRC. That was threads and threads ago, though, so who knows?

Even a pre-op nurse would be required to work 3 holiday shifts per year. If not on her floor, they'd float her somewhere to cover someone else.

 

[SandyQLS]

But weren't they in 2 cars?

I believe that there were. But I don't think that means anything.

They have relatives elsewhere in CO, for example. They might take 2 cars because PF needed to return earlier to care for the animals, and SF & baby were going to stay longer, or PF might go visit his father as part of the trip, but SF would not want to go see her ex. There are many reasons to take vehicles, the least of which might be fleeing justice. They were not just going to walk away from land, house, animals forever like that. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I think we were speaking of PF's mom not reporting KB missing.

OOPs, ....you are right.

 

[Dave F.]

I know it's not a popular topic, but I'd love to hear the Rs full 45 minute interview.

I bet it was KKL's attorney that put the kibosh on KMVT airing it in entirety.

My bet is that the FBI asked both the RR's and the TV station to button it. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

That or they really don't have much on Frazee and desperately need her testimony.

What do you wanna bet she knows the disposition of Kelsey's remains?

I think they’ve got him dead to rights, and she led them to the physical evidence that led to his arrest.

Her testimony will be the cherry on top.

If she knew about the location of Kelsey’s body, we would have seen a search for it by now, if not her recovery.

I think only PF knows, as KK probably arrived after the murder and disposal had already occurred.

 

[MyBelle]

Sure. I’m referring to PF’s mother though, and what she knew about the whole situation.

We can make guesses, but we don’t know what PF was telling her about KB.

PF lived separately from KB, and his mother would not be privy to the true nature of their relationship.

He could have been feeding her lies, and she might have believed them.

It’s also possible that his mother just didn’t like KB.

We don’t know.

I think it is obvious PF's mother did not like KB just by the way she's wants to "fight" for custody. There is a reason the state stepped in and removed the child from her household and the judge seems to agree it is in the child's best interest to be 1000 miles away from it. That's okay with me.

JMO

 

[susiQ]

iirc Yes. Well, we know one thing is for sure.. they obviously were not loading up for an early morning search for KB nor to return the baby to her.

That said, regardless of what time the arrest was, I watched it on local TV as it was happening and it appeared suspect to me and that's my opinion. I understand about that "life style". I live here in the middle of it and have for years. It was a very strange coincidence then *big eye roll*. I believe that they were tipped off by someone about his impending arrest (no idea where they were headed nor do I care) . Or, they needed two loaded cars and a baby to do their chores that morning?

@NoeticSoul YOU have come up with the sarcasm "font" so to speak!! *big eye roll* Love it!

 

[MassGuy]

I think it is obvious PF's mother did not like KB just by the way she's wants to "fight" for custody. There is a reason the state stepped in and removed the child from her household and the judge seems to agree it is in the child's best interest to be 1000 miles away from it. That's okay with me.

JMO

I strongly believe that child is better served by being in the custody of the Berreth family.

I think that the prospect of her being raised by the mother of a murderer, is definitely not in her best interests.

We’ve seen this before, and there is a tendency to turn the killer into some sort of a martyr, and the victim into a villain.

No thanks.

That being said, I don’t think that her fighting for custody, is solid evidence as to her dislike for KB.

Although I certainly am not arguing that idea, as I believe it is far more probable than not, that she disliked Kelsey.

I just don’t think a custody fight, is solid evidence of this hatred.

 

[Elley Mae]

I wouldn't think she found out when everyone else did. She had the baby in her care. Wouldn't she expect the mother to call and check in at some point? When I babysit my grandbaby, my DIL texts and calls and facetimes us, every couple of hours. She would never go days and days with no word.

There were organized searches. I posted about them a few posts ago.

If my DIL was missing, the first call I'd make, after one to my son, would be to her parents.

Common sense enters the board, Thanks! @katydid23

 

[katydid23]

1 - We have no clue what SF knew or was told for the lack of contact.
2 - SF may have been watching the baby then and unable to appear without broadcasting the baby all over. Maybe the lack of notice was accurate.
3 - By December 11th, have to wonder if the F family was advised to not be involved.
4 - Um. Have you seen the bashing of SF and other F family all over?
5 - We have zero idea what meetings were requested, if any.

1. true, but if he told her she was unstable and using drugs, then someone should have reported her missing.
2.one of them could have watched the baby, freeing up the other one to attend the presser.
3. right, but i was responding to the statement that there were 'no searches' for her.
4. well yes, but only after they reacted the way they did at the start.
5. they could have reached out and offered to allow visitation

 

[Artis]

Been mulling over KK’s statement that she “learned” KB was murdered. Was she near enough to have used her nursing skills to render aid? In my imagination, I see her outside with the baby, sitting in his red truck, while Patrick goes inside. Did he come out to the truck and say he did it? Why wasn’t she shocked into action to help KB. I wish we knew enough details to put Kelsey to rest and ensure that all those responsible pay. I hope, he pleads guilty so the family does not have to endure a trial.

I don't see him pleading guilty. The prosecution - whatever they have - doesn't have a body so they have a very high burden of proof. I also want a trial to expose KK and, maybe, with some serious luck, she'll slip up and lie and get herself into some actual trouble. I find it disgusting that she's an accomplice to Kelsey's murder and is getting off so lightly.

 

[Artis]

It never sat right with me that court had to intervene just for CB to see her granddaughter. It was very clear that PF/SF did not allow it when CB first arrived Colorado.

Yeah, what's the deal on that? Did CB state that they would not allow her to see baby K or was that an assumption?