CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[girlhasnoname]

Add in, what is PF telling his family. Maybe it's the she ran away song and dance, now CB is here to take Baby K away forever... Baby K knew the F family best due to care and location. Isolating her was likely a form of protection so she's not a media puppet.

With information we have publicly released now, I'm not willing to blame SF. Maybe that changes, but right now, she's as much a victim of PF as not.

BBM
Oh I think PF full well used baby K as a 'media puppet' when it suited his purposes. IMO

He carried her around a few times for all the world to see.

 

[mickey2942]

Even a pre-op nurse would be required to work 3 holiday shifts per year. If not on her floor, they'd float her somewhere to cover someone else.

I used to work at a hospital, in January you usually have to schedule your time off, especially for holidays, to make sure that there is coverage. For the entire year.

 

[Elley Mae]

I don't see him pleading guilty. The prosecution - whatever they have - doesn't have a body so they have a very high burden of proof. I also want a trial to expose KK and, maybe, with some serious luck, she'll slip up and lie and get herself into some actual trouble. I find it disgusting that she's an accomplice to Kelsey's murder and is getting off so lightly.

The Rockstahl's said one of their employees came to them in October, and said that a man had asked her best friend to kill the mother of his child. That best friend was later identified as Lee.

Idaho woman linked to accused murderer Patrick Frazee pleads guilty

The Rockstahls told CBS News that their employee told them Frazee threatened Lee, saying "little girls go missing off the playground all the time."
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She knew 2 months before, and did nothing, with her own children’s lives threatened, (supposedly) and she did nothing.

Oh no I’m wrong she disposed of Kelsey’s phone to hinder the investigation.

 

[Dave F.]

I believe that there were. But I don't think that means anything.

They have relatives elsewhere in CO, for example. They might take 2 cars because PF needed to return earlier to care for the animals, and SF & baby were going to stay longer, or PF might go visit his father as part of the trip, but SF would not want to go see her ex. There are many reasons to take vehicles, the least of which might be fleeing justice. They were not just going to walk away from land, house, animals forever like that. JMO

Maybe, just maybe, PF was "East bound and down, loaded up and truckin'," and SF was " east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.…". Yeah, that's it! She was gonna run interference in the '92 Subaru hatchback, for him truckin' east in the ancient Toyota; but old Smokey won this time. My goodness, how times do change. IMO

 

[yawningreyhound]

The R's claimed to have called the FBI on Monday Dec 17. They said the FBI was already at KKL's house when they called.

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Twin Falls Police and Twin Falls Sheriff released a statement on Saturday Dec 22 stating that they were contacted by the FBI/CBI authorities on Saturday Dec 15 to help prepare and execute search warrants in Idaho.

Police in Idaho investigating Kelsey Berreth’s death

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JMO the R's never called the FBI until they got wind of the SW's being executed on KKL on Dec 17. If KKL had been cooperating or had already gone to authorities, LE wouldn't have needed secret SW's not even announced until a week later.

Ah, good work!!!! Now I remember reading that article, too; they were pretty coy about why...so LE were onto something by the 15th. thanks!!!

 

[MyBelle]

I strongly believe that child is better served by being in the custody of the Berreth family.

I think that the prospect of her being raised by the mother of a murderer, is definitely not in her best interests.

We’ve seen this before, and there is a tendency to turn the killer into some sort of a martyr, and the victim into a villain.

No thanks.

That being said, I don’t think that her fighting for custody, is solid evidence as to her dislike for KB.

Although I certainly am not arguing that idea, as I believe it is far more probable than not, that she disliked Kelsey.

Oh, I bet there is very solid evidence as to her dislike of KB and that it came across load and clear to detectives when they first interviewed her. The State sure didn't hesitate after the arrest to get the baby out of that household.


JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Oh, I bet there is very solid evidence as to her dislike of KB and that it came across load and clear to detectives when they first interviewed her. The State sure didn't hesitate after the arrest to get the baby out of that household.


JMO

Sure, but we aren’t privy to that yet.

Evidence of there being evidence, isn’t evidence in and of itself.

Atleast as far as we are concerned.

 

[Lhughessk]

BBM. That's PF's former lawyer's laughable claim. CB managed to make it just fine.....and so did the Denver news media.

JMO

I don’t think it’s laughable. I don’t see why his lawyer would claim something that could be so easily refuted. I believe LE didn’t really want him there. I think it was punishment for him not cooperating.

 

[MyBelle]

Sure, but we aren’t privy to that yet.

Evidence of there being evidence, isn’t evidence in and of itself.

Atleast as far as we are concerned.

A judge has seen the evidence and based his decision on the best interest of the child. It does exist.

 

[yawningreyhound]

But weren't they in 2 cars?

Video shows Kelsey Berreth’s fiance being arrested

As I recall, the twitter account of the guy who got this video said it was 7am. But I'd have to go check and I can't recall the twitterer reporter who was staking out the property....if I find it, i'll repost it!

 

[ab01]

I don’t think it’s laughable. I don’t see why his lawyer would claim something that could be so easily refuted. I believe LE didn’t really want him there. I think it was punishment for him not cooperating.

Are you saying LE was punishing him by not making him stand up and beg for KB safe return when he knew she was already dead and not have to face and talk to the whole world while lying straight into the camera? That seems like quite the punishment for not cooperating.....

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t think it’s laughable. I don’t see why his lawyer would claim something that could be so easily refuted. I believe LE didn’t really want him there. I think it was punishment for him not cooperating.

Because the lawyer had to say something and he had a liar for a client.

I think the media thought it was laughable and I agree. It wasn't as though the p.c. was a secret considering LE announced it in advance on their website.
JMO

 

[Artis]

But if the court ordered you to, you would have to.

I don’t like the concept of guilt by association, personally. A good home is a good home, and good people are good people. We all should be judged and given or denied opportunities based on who we are as individuals. Not who we happen to be related to, which is something we couldn’t choose.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

An ancient principal. One is only responsible for their own actions. At the same time, we use discretion about who we hang around with or allow a child to be around. If a man murders your daughter and the mother of his child, his relatives certainly aren't guilty of the crime but chances are good that something is way off with the family.

 

[Stunned]

I am a reasonable person. But if my daughter's ex boyfriend killed her, I would not be dropping off her baby at his parent's home, any time soon, if ever. I just wouldn't feel like it was in the baby's best interests to be cared for in that home any more.

I am not sure it would be in the child's best interest to be around the family of her mother's killer, especially if they continue to support him and declare his innocence. JMO IMO

I agree, hard pass!

 

[MassGuy]

I don’t think it’s laughable. I don’t see why his lawyer would claim something that could be so easily refuted. I believe LE didn’t really want him there. I think it was punishment for him not cooperating.

This man didn’t report Kelsey missing.

This guy never made any effort whatsoever, to get the word out.

There is no way in hell that he was going to appear at that press conference, even if they gave him a week’s notice.

His actions were nothing if not consistent.

As to law enforcement wanting him there, I absolutely believe they did.

There have been countless cases where LE has invited people they suspect of committing crimes, to appear in front of the media.

It is more often a good thing, than a bad one.

Once again, the Watts case provides a great example of this.

 

[Artis]

IF SF had reached out to CB and allowed her to see baby K from the start, I could see CB allowing her to visit and see the child, supervised to ensure she wouldn't fill her head with false information about PF. BUT, since she refused to look out for Baby K's best interest from the start, she certainly doesn't earn the right to see her now.
JMO, MOO, etc

And she and her daughter didn't make it to the vigil or presser for Kelsey. No show of caring or support for Kelsey or her family.

I'll go a step further and speculate that they didn't show because they knew PF was not due to get baby K over the Thanksgiving long weekend.

 

[Artis]

I doubt they were going on an impromptu 'vacation' at 5 am in the morning (or however early it was). moo

What's the story on that? I wasn't closely following the case then but recall Ma was detained when he was arrested. Was there an indication they were packed up to go somewhere?

 

[NoeticSoul]

What's the story on that? I wasn't closely following the case then but recall Ma was detained when he was arrested. Was there an indication they were packed up to go somewhere?

Nobody knows for sure, yet, as far as I've read. I just have my own opinions on that. As for ma being handcuffed, that was just routine/procedural while he was being arrested, imo.

 

[nwmouse]

bbm ita agree that is a big possibility and I only hope that PF becomes/is so angry that he spills the beans if that is true and KK did have much more to do with it all. He has got to be really stewing in his own juices right now after Friday's hearing. Who knows what could happen on the 19th? Anything at this point, even from PF, wouldn't surprise me. If he believes he's going down for life regardless, he may just decide take people with him. moo

I certainly hope PF opens up and tells the truth about what really happened.

But I have a feeling he is going to remain silent about what occurred the day KB went missing because that is his form of control. However he may have his PD issue a statement about KK's further involvement, if any, because she squealed which PF may see as disobedience.

IMOO, I don't think he'll disclose where KB's remains are or how he disposed of her because he won't give her family the closure they seek.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think PF operates on an emotional level like the FA Chris Watts did. CW told the truth once he knew his lies held no water.
Up until now we've seen zero emotion from PF. He's scarily ice cold.

MOO

 

[mickey2942]

And she and her daughter didn't make it to the vigil or presser for Kelsey. No show of caring or support for Kelsey or her family.

I'll go a step further and speculate that they didn't show because they knew PF was not due to get baby K over the Thanksgiving long weekend.

My two Grandmothers loathed each other, and each one of my parents. To one, my Mother was a vixen who seduced and trapped her son. To the other, My Father was a child molester, who molested her daughter. (16 and 18).

So, given the level of animosity, I could see that perhaps PF's Mother wouldn't attend a vigil or try to find a "trollop", she would think, "Good riddance". Perhaps, believing a story from PF that KB was going out on internet dates. Who knows...