CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

[Artis]

Exactly. No way a jury believes her fear story. But...
she is not on trial. He is.
So she can cry all she wants on the stand and a jury doesn't have to believe her, but it doesn't matter... just because they don't believe her doesn't mean they don't believe PF did it.
And if they don't believe PF did it and she did, welp, they are not her jury and they both get off.

Oh, oh, oh!!! I just thought of something...

If she's as worried about her reputation as it appears she is and if she makes herself unbelievable to a jury and he walks, then she'd really have something to be afraid of.

 

[nwmouse]

I don't think she's pregnant, either, but don't say you'll eat cow pies. Just don't. You never can be too sure of anything, you know?

I'm sure of this one, though.
MOO

 

[Hatch]

The clip I watched did not include MS crying.

Per DM: "...At this point in the interview [MS] begn to cry a bit while thinking about her friend. ..."

Boo-Hoo.

ETA: replace surname with initials

I missed the tears

 

[dixiegirl1035]

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“ Stein said she believed her friend had “very, very good reasoning for whatever it is she may or may not have done.”

Every time I read this I crack up laughing. On what planet is this an answer to any question (pfft, without a follow up by the interviewer nonetheless).

It's leaving open wide speculation as to all the things that we are speculating about. Why didn't she say she had a good reason for taking the phone as she had already admitted guilt to it.

What normal person answers a question that way, unless they have been coaxed by a lawyer?

Whatever she did? That she may or may not have done? Lady what are you talkin about ...

Oh yeah, planet *********, as stayed upthread.

She was there for no other reason to again state to the public and keep on point the message they want to get out, which was she was scared. She was very very afraid. As even if that was true it would matter. Pfft

 

[k-mac]

Someone mentioned KK had family in CO..that she could have driven the 800 miles to see family and PF. Well, wouldn't she have taken her kids to visit family? Maybe I'm wrong but to me, she drove 800 miles to see PF. That is A LOT of driving. And sorry but what dumb@ss woman to drive that far to see a man. And one would need a good amount of time off for that.
I don't get it...KB moved there to be with him...KK drives all that way...sorry don't get the appeal there.

ikr
and according to KB'S friend KB couldn't do a thing right...…
so he is a pig on all fronts. imo
he's not good looking,lives at home with his momma, treats animals harshly, is a bad sport, a cheater and for good measure he can't see the good in anything.

wadda catch!

the civil suit is telling that everyone around Kelsey and Patrick new all of the above or many parts to his abuse.

 

[PommyMommy]

ikr
and according to KB'S friend KB couldn't do a thing right...…
so he is a pig on all fronts. imo
he's not good looking,lives at home with his momma, treats animals harshly, is a bad sport, a cheater and for good measure he can't see the good in anything.

wadda catch!

the civil suit is telling that everyone around Kelsey and Patrick new all of the above or many parts to his abuse.

He's had me bored to tears from the beginning. All I see is a 30-year-old horseshoer that lives with his mama, owns a couple old trucks and a horse, cheats on his girlfriends and claims he can’t afford to get married.
MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

This post lands at random ...

Stop with the accusations or speculation that KK is guilty of murder. PF is the only individual charged with murder, not KK. If there was evidence to her active involvement in the actual murder, she would be facing additional charges instead of or along with PK.

 

[MemPat]

Every time I read this I crack up laughing. On what planet is this an answer to any question (pfft, without a follow up by the interviewer nonetheless).

It's leaving open wide speculation as to all the things that we are speculating about. Why didn't she say she had a good reason for taking the phone as she had already admitted guilt to it.

What normal person answers a question that way, unless they have been coaxed by a lawyer?

Whatever she did? That she may or may not have done? Lady what are you talkin about ...

Oh yeah, planet *********, as stayed upthread.

She was there for no other reason to again state to the public and keep on point the message they want to get out, which was she was scared. She was very very afraid. As even if that was true it would matter. Pfft

Ha! Great minds run together. That was my favorite inexplicable statement of the day! Not just very good reasoning but "very, very good reasoning for whatever it is she may or may not have done"! How many times would one have to practice to say that with a straight face?!

 

[Hatch]

Marking spot

 

[acutename]

I have no doubt PF is as evil as the day is long. But, what I keep coming back to in my mind is 'what did PF have on her that COMPELLED her to assist him in this atrocity?' Had she committed a crime that would affect her nursing license and he threatened to expose her? If not that, then the only other thing I can come up with is what others have proposed, pregnancy. OR, one MORE thing, CRAZY jealous of KB?

maybe he had some real (or believably fake) evidence of something that would have embarrassed KK and threatened her job or her ability to see her children. (speculation)

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

Perhaps KK couldn’t say no to the phone because she couldn’t resist the possibility of ‘filling in the blanks’ once she had it and PF knew this. I suppose he’s very talented at figuring out what he can ask and receive from whom, being “quiet and good” et al. But he also knew that this was his safety net...once she’d taken the bait and done his deed, she’d be fully ensnared (culpable) and he knew she’d not put that together, too distracted by the info on the phone. He didn’t consider that she’d be talking to her BFF the whole time...

Just an idea of a theory, MOO MOO MOO

Yes, he may have known how to manipulate and groom women, but I don't think he understood the degree to which most women bond with and confide in their girlfriends. Not anticipating KKL's "loose lips," did, in fact, sink his ship. MOO.

 

[Aydrianna523]

Ha! Great minds run together. That was my favorite inexplicable statement of the day! Not just very good reasoning but "very, very good reasoning for whatever it is she may or may not have done"! How many times would one have to practice to say that with a straight face?!

I picked that (odd) sentence up to.

 

[acutename]

The way she carried her coat, and a gut feeling that I have at a motive. Nothing more.

eta AND the fact the BBF wouldn't comment on the sexual relationship question, but will on everything else.

some one else said if this is true, she cannot use it as an excuse, but it would put her in a horrible position and there could be no more physically uncomfortable condition. it also would put KK in a similar position as KB, so possibly she could begin to vividly see herself as the next target.

I thought it was really odd that BBF did not answer "no" or "I do not know" when asked about the KK/PF relationship. She said "I do not want to talk about that now," which implies that there is something that could be said and that she could talk about it.

 

[acutename]

My thoughts when he showed up with a protective vest was that someone might want him knocked off. I'll refrain from saying who, but I think it a real possibility that PF truly believes someone (not a 3rd accomplice) wants him gone before the ENTIRE sordid story comes to light, to protect SOMEONE (KK, perhaps?) from further implication in what's happened? JMT

Anyway, if he is afraid someone is "gunning" for him, looks good on him.

he is destroying his family's reputation and costing them a lot of time, money and anguish

 

[kkdj]

If someone threatened my kids, NO WAY am I ever going anywhere near them, ever again. And they'd be lucky if I didn't tell a few burly friends about the threats.
Hard to believe that she was so scared for her kids lives---and yet she drove 800 miles to spend Turkey Day with him.

This! ^^^^

 

[LietKynes]

Oh, oh, oh!!! I just thought of something...

If she's as worried about her reputation as it appears she is and if she makes herself unbelievable to a jury and he walks, then she'd really have something to be afraid of.

Emph. Mine

Lol. Thanks for some levity.
Karma can be a B.

Sorry, there's nothing remotely humorous about this tragedy.
But catching up here and it's obvious some people knew KB was going to die and did nothing.... just makes my blood pressure soar.
There's another person closely connected who has not been named a poi-- but I think this one could be at some point.

What did PF say ?
It's doubtful anyone was in fear for their life.
MOO

 

[tmar]

"The world is a dangerous place to live.
Not because of the people that are evil, but because of the people that don't do anything about it": Albert Einstein.

"The world is getting to be a dangerous place.
A man is lucky to get out of it alive" : W. C. Fields.

These statements certainly apply in this case.

 

[Artis]

I totally get the complete revulsion, revilement and general feelings of loathing for KK.
She's a truly hideous human being. A loser. The worst, in fact. KK is the worst.

Having said that, IMO, PF is the worst of the worst.
It is PF who is culpable for KB's murder.

His murderous mind plotted KB's death.
His murderous heart wished for KB's death.
His murderous hands extinguished KB's life.

The DA is clearly focused on nailing PF.
They know PF is the principle actor responsible for KB's murder.
If it were otherwise, they would have struck the deal w/ PF, in order to "get" KK.

The DA is making sure they nail PF.
That's what matters most.

All of the above: J.M.O.

I sure as hell hope this is right. I'm not one who thinks prosecutors are any smarter, on average, than the rest of population and, right now, we know nothing about what they've got on Frazee. I hope it's air tight. At this point, all I know is the co-conspirator is getting off way too easy.

BTW, while searching twitter for any updates, I ran across another Woodland Park case that the cops and DA totally blew. Her name was Mindy Lee. I suppose she was a topic on this board.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Ha! Great minds run together. That was my favorite inexplicable statement of the day! Not just very good reasoning but "very, very good reasoning for whatever it is she may or may not have done"! How many times would one have to practice to say that with a straight face?!

Yep, she was giving her friend carte blanche to do anything and everything, because she had a reason. Umm, but even The reason she couldn't go into lol ... except...wait for it.....


she was very very scared.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I bet when we read the documents we'll all say he was so stupid. How did he think he could get away with it. KK's story is just the tip of the haystack.