CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

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Good Morning all,

This I do not get because the Sonic video shows what kind of vehicle she is in.
It could have been borrowed or rented. Or, she could have driven her car down and left it there and rode back with someone else, depending on the extent of her involvement w/PF.

It gets really confusing when some things are shown somewhere else. So now if Sonic is a fact, then I'll just have to wait for something else about KKL's trip back to ID to be known and accepted as a fact.

Even though KKL is seen on CCTV at Sonic in her own vehicle, it doesn't mean that she, by herself, drove 800 miles to see PF.
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Something else I’ve been wondering. Could KK be talking to SF and SF relay messages to PF?
 
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I think PF has always gotten his way and when something or somebody stops him from getting his way, then he retaliates, throws a fit, thinks of ways to change things and/or what he can do to MAKE things go his way. I just have a feeling that his and Kelsey's relationship was not going so well because things were not going the way PF wanted them to and so in his twisted, sick little mind, he took action to prove a point that things were going to be HIS way or not at all. Kind of like when you're a kid and you don't get something you want or something doesn't go your way, it makes you mad, upset, and sometimes you might even have a little temper tantrum, etc. But in this case, PF had no boundaries or limits on what he would or could do to have things go his way and only his way.

Either he is so self-centered that he only cares about himself or he has such tunnel vision, that either way, he probably didn't even think to look at how this would effect baby K who now has to go on in life without her mother..... It is all just so sad. I just don't understand.

This is all JMO, MOO
Like KB's friend said, "He was always mad about something."
which is a common tactic people use to get their way. Others want to avoid the powderkeg's explosion of rage.
imo
 
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Didn’t DA May say hearsay would be present on the 19th?

CO hearsay rules as of 2016- correct me if any have changed recently.

Rule 803. Hearsay Exceptions: Availability of Declarant Immaterial

The following are not excluded by the hearsay rule, even though the declarant is available as a witness:

(1)Spontaneous present sense impression. A spontaneous statement describing or explaining an event or condition made while the declarant was perceiving the event or condition.

(2) Excited utterance. A statement relating to a startling event or condition made while the declarant was under the stress of excitement caused by the event or condition.

(3)Then existing mental, emotional, or physical condition. A statement of the declarant’s then existing state of mind, emotion, sensation, or physical condition (such as intent, plan, motive, design, mental feeling, pain, and bodily health), but not including a statement of memory or belief to prove the fact remembered or believed unless it relates to the execution, revocation, identification, or terms of declarant’s will.

(4) Statements for purposes of medical diagnosis or treatment. Statements made for purposes of medical diagnosis or treatment and describing medical history, or past or present symptoms, pain, or sensations, or the inception or general character of the cause or external source thereof insofar as reasonably pertinent to diagnosis or treatment.

(5) Recorded recollection. A past recollection recorded when it appears that the witness once had knowledge concerning the matter and; (A) can identify the memorandum or record, (B) adequately recalls the making of it at or near the time of the event, either as recorded by the witness or by another, and (C) can testify to its accuracy. The memorandum or record may be read into evidence but may not itself be received unless offered by an adverse party.

(6) Records of regularly conducted activity. A memorandum, report, record, or data compilation, in any form, of acts, events, conditions, opinions, or diagnosis, made at or near the time by, or from information transmitted by, a person with knowledge, if kept in the course of a regularly conducted business activity, and if it was the regular practice of that business activity to make the memorandum, report, record, or data compilation, all as shown by the testimony of the custodian or other qualified witness, or by certification that complies with Rule 902(11), Rule 902(12), or a statute permitting certification, unless the source of information or the method or circumstances of preparation indicate lack of trustworthiness. The term “business” as used in this paragraph includes business, institution, association, profession, occupation, and calling of every kind, whether or not conducted for profit.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(7) Absence of entry in records kept in accordance with the provisions of paragraph (6). Evidence that a matter is not included in the memoranda reports, records, or data compilations in any form, kept in accordance with the provisions of paragraph (6), to prove the nonoccurrence or nonexistence of the matter, if the matter was of a kind of which a memorandum, report, record, or data compilation was regularly made and preserved, unless the sources of information or other circumstances indicate lack of trustworthiness.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(8) Public records and reports. Unless the sources of information or other circumstances indicate lack of trustworthiness, records, reports, statements, or data compilations, in any form, of public offices or agencies, setting forth (A) the activities of the office or agency, or (B) matters observed pursuant to duty imposed by law as to which matters there was a duty to report, excluding, however, in criminal cases matters observed by police officers and other law enforcement personnel, or (C) in civil actions and proceedings and against the Government in criminal cases, factual findings resulting from an investigation made pursuant to authority granted by law.

(9) Records of vital statistics. Records or data compilations, in any form, of births, fetal deaths, deaths, or marriages, if the report thereof was made to a public office pursuant to requirements of law.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(10) Absence of a Public Record. Testimony – or a certification under Rule 902 – that a diligent search failed to disclose a public record or statement if:

(A) the testimony or certification is admitted to prove that

(i) the record or statement does not exist; or

(ii) a matter did not occur or exist, if a public office regularly kept a record or statement for a matter of that kind; and

(B) in a criminal case, a prosecutor who intends to offer a certification provides written notice of that intent at least 14 days before trial and the defendant does not object in writing within 7 days of receiving the notice — unless the court sets a different time for the notice or the objection.

(11) Records of religious organizations. Statements of births, marriages, divorces, deaths, legitimacy, ancestry, relationship by blood or marriage, or other similar facts of personal or family history, contained in a regularly kept record of a religious organization.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(12) Marriage, baptismal, and similar certificates. Statements of fact contained in a certificate that the maker performed a marriage or other ceremony or administered a sacrament, made by a clergyman, public official, or other person authorized by the rules or practices of a religious organization or by law to perform the act certified, and purporting to have been issued at the time of the act or within a reasonable time thereafter.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(13) Family records. Statements of fact concerning personal or family history contained in family Bibles, genealogies, charts, engravings on rings, inscriptions on family portraits, engravings on urns, crypts, or tombstones, or the like.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(14) Records of documents affecting an interest in property. The record of a document purporting to establish or affect an interest in property, as proof of the content of the original recorded or filed document and its execution and delivery by each person by whom it purports to have been executed, if the record is a record of a public office and an applicable statute authorizes the recording of documents of that kind in that office.

(15) Statements in documents affecting an interest in property. A statement contained in a document purporting to establish or affect an interest in property if the matter stated was relevant to the purpose of the document, unless dealings with the property since the document was made have been inconsistent with the truth of the statement or the purport of the document.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(16) Statements in ancient documents. Statements in a document in existence twenty years or more the authenticity of which is established.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(17) Market reports, commercial publications. Market quotations, tabulations, lists, directories, or other published compilations, generally used and relied upon by the public or by persons in particular occupations.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(18) Learned treatises. To the extent called to the attention of an expert witness upon cross-examination or relied upon by him in direct examination, statements contained in published treatises, periodicals, or pamphlets on a subject of history, medicine or other science or art, established as a reliable authority by the testimony or admission of the witness or by other expert testimony or by judicial notice. If admitted, the statements may be read into evidence and may be received as exhibits, as the court permits.

(19) Reputation concerning personal or family history. Reputation among members of his family by blood, adoption, or marriage, or among his associates, or in the community, concerning a person’s birth, adoption, marriage, divorce, death, legitimacy, relationship by blood, adoption, or marriage, ancestry, or other similar fact of his personal or family history.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(20) Reputation concerning boundaries or general history. Reputation in a community, arising before the controversy, as to boundaries of or customs affecting lands in the community, and reputation as to events of general history important to the community or state or nation in which located.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(21) Reputation as to character. Reputation of a person’s character among his associates or in the community.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(22) Judgment of previous conviction. Evidence of a final judgment, entered after a trial or upon a plea of guilty or nolo contendere, adjudging a person guilty of a crime punishable by death or imprisonment in excess of one year, to prove any fact essential to sustain the judgment, but not including, when offered by the Government in a criminal prosecution for purposes other than impeachment, judgments against persons other than the accused. The pendency of an appeal may be shown but does not affect admissibility.(Federal Rule Identical, Except that a Plea of Nolo Contendere was Excluded in the Federal rule.)

(23) Judgment as to personal, family, or general history or boundaries. Judgments as proof of matters of personal, family, or general history, or boundaries, essential to the judgment, if the same would be provable by evidence of reputation.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(24) [Transferred to Rule 807 ]

Rule 804. Hearsay Exceptions: Declarant Unavailable

(a) Definition of unavailability. “Unavailability as a witness” includes situations in which the declarant–

(1) is exempted by ruling of the court on the ground of privilege from testifying concerning the subject matter of his statement; or

(2) persists in refusing to testify concerning the subject matter of his statement despite an order of the court to do so; or

(3) testifies to a lack of memory of the subject matter of his statement; or

(4) is unable to be present or to testify at the hearing because of death or then existing physical or mental illness or infirmity; or

(5) is absent from the hearing and the proponent of his statement has been unable to procure his attendance (or in the case of a hearsay exception under subdivision (b)(3) or (4) his attendance or testimony) by process or other reasonable means.A declarant is not unavailable as a witness if his exemption, refusal, claim of lack of memory, inability, or absence is due to the procurement or wrongdoing of the proponent of his statement for the purpose of preventing the witness from attending or testifying.

(b) Hearsay exceptions. The following are not excluded by the hearsay rule if the declarant is unavailable as a witness:

(1) Former testimony. Testimony given as a witness at another hearing of the same or a different proceeding, or in a deposition taken in compliance with law in the course of the same or another proceeding, if the party against whom the testimony is now offered, or, in a civil action or proceeding, a predecessor in interest, had an opportunity and similar motive to develop the testimony by direct, cross, or redirect examination.

(2) (No Colorado Rule Codified)

(3) Statement against interest.A statement that:

(A) a reasonable person in the declarant’s position would have made only if the person believed it to be true because, when made, it was so contrary to the declarant’s proprietary or pecuniary interest or had so great a tendency to invalidate the declarant’s claim against someone else or to expose the declarant to civil or criminal liability; and

(B) is supported by corroborating circumstances that clearly indicate its trustworthiness, if it is offered in a criminal case as one that tends to expose the declarant to criminal liability.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(4) Statement of personal or family history.

(A) A statement concerning the declarant’s own birth, adoption, marriage, divorce, legitimacy, relationship by blood, adoption, or marriage, ancestry, or other similar fact of personal or family history, even though declarant had no means of acquiring personal knowledge of the matter stated; or

(B) a statement concerning the foregoing matters, and death also, of another person, if the declarant was related to the other by blood, adoption, or marriage or was so intimately associated with the other’s family as to be likely to have accurate information concerning the matter declared.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(5) [Transferred to Rule 807 ]
Rule 807. Residual Exception

A statement not specifically covered by Rule 803 or 804 but having equivalent circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness, is not excluded by the hearsay rule, if the court determines that (A) the statement is offered as evidence of a material fact; (B) the statement is more probative on the point for which it is offered than any other evidence which the proponent can procure through reasonable efforts; and (C) the general purposes of these rules and the interests of justice will best be served by admission of the statement into evidence. However, a statement may not be admitted under this exception unless the proponent of it makes known to the adverse party sufficiently in advance of the trial or hearing to provide the adverse party with a fair opportunity to prepare to meet it, the proponent’s intention to offer the statement and the particulars of it, including the name and address of the declarant.
 
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Something else I’ve been wondering. Could KK be talking to SF and SF relay messages to PF?
I doubt it very much. That would be a very foolish thing for her to do. IMO, she is going to be put through the wringer with the defense attorney. I would hope that she is smart enough not to give the defense any extra ammunition.
 
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She was involved because she wanted to be. If it turns she was at the scene when Kelsey was killed, I'm gonna blow a gasket.

I don't like plea deals. They allow the guilty to walk and the innocent to be terrorized into pleading guilty.
Artis, I'm going to help you with some antifreeze :) I really, really doubt DA May would let her off with tampering if she was involved with the actual murder. We know she did more than tamper, like accessory after the fact but I have confidence in this team. I know how far I think she's involved and I look forward to finding out if my hunch is correct.
 
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I think that KK was generally viewed favorably in her home area and her family is well thought of and well connected. I do not think that people hate her. I think this whole situation is shocking to them. She was the girl next door with some honors and awards as well. (IMO)
I see what you are saying, but I tend to feel that someone (KK) who would do something like this has likely made sketchy decisions in the past. Maybe others don’t know about those thoughts or actions of hers, but I’d bet they are there somewhere. This one she did just happens to be a doozey.
 
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Does anybody else think that maybe PF is setting up KK for murder?

He's in jail and she's not so, if that was his plan, it wasn't very successful.
 
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When all is said and done I hope that PF gets sentenced to life in the Administrative Maximum Facility (ADX) in Florence, Colorado (the 'Alcatraz of the Rockies') which is where El Chapo will now be going for life.
 
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I don’t even know how to say this.

KK’s fear of PF was not as strong as her love for him. IMO.

She is the one who drove herself 800 miles from Idaho to Colorado knowing what his plans were and the reason she was going down there.

She may not have known exactly how she was to help, however, she knew KB would be dead and PF needed her help.

As I see it, KK did not or should not have made the trip to Colorado. She could have used many excuses for not going, her car broke, her babysitter cancelled, etc. She could have told him she would be there the next day to buy herself time.

In the meantime, KK should have gone to the police and told them what she knew. She could have told them to look for a missing KB to begin with, which she knew they wouldn’t find.

This way it wouldn’t be a “she said, he said” situation. KB would be gone. The BFF could be interviewed for what she knew as well as the R lawyers by Idaho police. KK could have hidden out someplace for protection.

I seriously question if the jurors are going to be able to look past KK’s involvement. While it is PF on trial, I believe the jury will question why KK was given such a light plea deal and will not give PK the maximum charge.

There will have to be strong evidence that paints PF guilty without a doubt - info that the public is unaware of..

BBM. Let's hope that evidence is strong! One strong point the defense will raise is about the Sonic evidence: Why did KK go to Woodland Park if all she did was move the phone? KK placed herself near the crime scene and there is evidence to prove it. I think the jury is going to be furious with KK and her sweet deal.


JMO
 
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BBM. Let's hope that evidence is strong! One strong point the defense will raise is about the Sonic evidence: Why did KK go to Woodland Park if all she did was move the phone? KK placed herself near the crime scene and there is evidence to prove it. I think the jury is going to be furious with KK and her sweet deal.

JMO

JMO
I think the evidence is strong . Hopefully alot stronger then the hate facing Idaho . The le have to have alot of digital proof from all the phones and videos. Pf looks as guilty as sin hopefully is found guilty
 
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I've been away from this one for a little while -- I just saw this article -- please forgive if it's a repeat:

Nurse Who Hid Evidence for Accused Killer in Colo. Mom's Murder Was 'Very, Very Scared' He'd Kill Her, Too
The Idaho nurse who admitted to helping a friend hide evidence in the alleged murder of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth was “very, very scared” and feared for her own life if she didn’t assist the accused killer, according to a friend of the nurse.
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In court, Kenney said she knew Frazee allegedly had committed murder.

A frightened Kenney had confided to her friend Michelle Stein that she had a role in the coverup, Stein told CBS News. “I will just tell you Krystal was very, very scared,” said Stein. “Krystal’s a very level-headed, kind, fun-loving, happy-go-lucky person. She’s a tough cowgirl. But she was absolutely scared and extremely upset.”
[. . .]
At another point, Stein recalled her friend saying about Frazee, “She did tell me that she has never seen that kind of evil in anybody.”

Kelsey Berreth Case: Nurse Who Hid Evidence 'Very Scared' Suspect Might Kill Her, Too
 
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Any word on the FOIA request on the unsealing of documents yet?
 
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Does anybody else think that maybe PF is setting up KK for murder?

To my previous reply to your question, I would add that it looks she's the one with a lot to hide, hence her flying monkeys out there doing damage control. He's busted but she got this deal which, we've been told, is contingent upon her telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and I don't believe she's done that. While "setting up" wouldn't be the right term for what I'm thinking, I'd venture to guess that it is she who's spinning a narrative, painting herself as Miss Innocent and Skeered while fingering him, alone, for what she was probably all up in.

MOO
 
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Like KB's friend said, "He was always mad about something."
which is a common tactic people use to get their way. Others want to avoid the powderkeg's explosion of rage.

imo

Great post! This is exactly my take on PF, too.

He's very emotionally manipulative.

People like PF use their emotional reactions to control other people around them, i.e., let's all tiptoe around PF and make sure he's happy, because when he's not, everybody's going to be sorry. I'm thinking that when he doesn't get exactly what he wants in any given situation, he sulks, pouts and tantrums like a 5-yr-old.

He's like Herman Munser's evil twin. Right down to the matching haircut.

JMO
 
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