CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #38 *ARREST*

[travelbug]

Reportedly, KK never talked to the R's.

KK confided in MS, employed by the R's -- probably hoping MS could get her some free, off record advice via MS. Mr. R responded to MS that KK needed to contact him, and he told us in his interview that she never did.

Had KK ever talked to Mr. R, he would have been bound not to speak publicly.

It's apparent KK made a good choice with her representation licensed to practice in Colorado!

Thank you, I didn't realize that KK never spoke directly with the R's. I've been judging them too harshly for precisely the reason you state.

 

[lindaromas]

Case Number: 2018CR330 Division: 11 Courtroom:

The motion/proposed order attached hereto: ACTION TAKEN.
Expanded media coverage (EMC) will not be permitted at the February 19th, 2019 preliminary hearing poof evident presumption great hearing. EMC is only permitted at advisement or arraignment.

BBM - What does this mean? Is this legalese??

It means No extended coverage in the courtroom on Feb 19. I've posted a question aimed at the attorneys in here if all parties would have been served (see #4 at the bottom) if it possibly would have been approved for extended coverage.

 

[Seattle1]

I'd like an attorney answer on this one, IF all parties had been served in the motion for extended coverage, do you feel any of the other 3 reasons on the objection would have caused extended coverage to still be "not allowed?"
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/D-009 Order Objection to Telemundo Denvers Request for Expanded Media Coverage.pdf

No - this is statutory.

In criminal cases, EMC only for advisements and arraignments.

Hearing on 2/19 is a preliminary hearing.

ETA: Per Colorado Statute, there will not be any camera/audio in the PF trial probably until sentencing. We will have trial updates by twitter, and news coverage after the hearings only.

EMC permitted only for advisements and arraignments.

 

[PommyMommy]

Decision on Frazee arrest papers being made public could be made on Tuesday
THE LATEST ON FRAZEE'S ARREST PAPERS
Documents released to the public by the Colorado Judicial Branch on Thursday state a request to make the arrest affidavit for Frazee public will be discussed on Tuesday. The motion to unseal it will be heard at the conclusion of the Feb. 19 hearing.

The courts also denied expanded media coverage. "Expanded media coverage will not be permitted at the February 19th, 2019 preliminary hearing proof evident presumption greet hearing. Expanded Media Coverage is only permitted at advisement or arraignment," the documents posted read.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

remember the guy who said that PF cheated on his then girlfriend "when she was in the hospital?" (it is on p. 1 under info about PF). I keep imagining PF commencing (or rekindling) a relationship with KK while KB was giving birth. That would fit the epitome of narcissism... so at some point during this rekindled romance, PF says "Oh, yeah, I have another girlfriend, well, ex, and guess what? She had a baby...." leaving out the part about meeting her, helping her move, spending time with her, etc. I think that would leave KK with her mouth hanging open. ( beyond speculation... writing fiction here)

Gee I wonder who he cheated on the girlfriend in the hospital with.

 

[susiQ]

Well you definitely shouldn’t try to make sense of it until we have more information. In my opinion. That is the problem. It isn’t going to make sense when we have so little To go on. Right now we don’t know what we don’t know.

Agreed. We don't know what we don't know. But, we are here to consider all the possibilities, within reason. JMO
As more facts become known to us, we will adjust our speculation

 

[lindaromas]

No - this is statutory.

In criminal cases, EMC only for advisements and arraignments. Hearing on 2/19 is a preliminary hearing.

Ok, so in the objection the attorney writes "Preliminary Hearing and a Proof Evident, Presumption Great hearing on that date." What type of hearing did KK have? I've been reading so much legal mumbo jumbo it's all vegetable soup to me now!

 

[Artis]

Yes. In Part I the R's made the claim about seeing CB at the Dec 10 presser.

Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

"...When asked what made [PR] come forward and call the FBI, she said it was when she connected the dots of who was involved and watching Kelsey’s mother [CB] plea for help on national television. ..."

The story the R's told changed from Part I to Part II of their interviews, and they never called the FBI until Dec 17 when search warrants had been or were being executed at KK's property.

WTF is with these people? Think about that story for a minute. What they're saying is they never would have informed anyone about a murder being planned until they saw CB on TV. IOW, they planned on waiting to see if anyone turned up dead before they'd report a conspiracy to commit murder.

 

[lindaromas]

WTF is with these people? Think about that story for a minute. What they're saying is they never would have informed anyone about a murder being planned until they saw CB on TV. IOW, they planned on waiting to see if anyone turned up dead before they'd report a conspiracy to commit murder.

You nailed it!

 

[Seattle1]

Case Number: 2018CR330 Division: 11 Courtroom:

The motion/proposed order attached hereto: ACTION TAKEN.
Expanded media coverage (EMC) will not be permitted at the February 19th, 2019 preliminary hearing poof evident presumption great hearing. EMC is only permitted at advisement or arraignment.
What does this mean? Is this legalese??

It's Colorado Statute that in criminal cases, EMC only permitted at advisement or arraignment.

Hearing on 19th is a preliminary hearing.

bbm

 

[GHgal]

I believe it was in the MS interview video. MS was trying to explain KK response to the murder. I will try to find it. The word horrific struck me.

Colorado statue says that if you are seeking permanent relocation in another state, you must first notify the other parent in writing with specific details such as to where you plan to move, why you are moving. If the other parties agrees to the move, it should be submitted to the court for final approval. If they disagree a relocation trial is necessary.

That said, I am wondering if she had drafted the notice of her intent to move and delivered it to Patrick which is what triggered him.

 

[MemPat]

I believe in the constitutional rights of all US citizens. PF deserves a fair trial.

That said, I want to see the documents and I want cameras in the courtroom!!

Not that I feel this way but Iyanla said this on-stage recently and it made me think of all of us, "Sometimes you don't want to be spiritual; you just want someone to burn in Hell!"

 

[Seattle1]

Ok, so in the objection the attorney writes "Preliminary Hearing and a Proof Evident, Presumption Great hearing on that date." What type of hearing did KK have? I've been reading so much legal mumbo jumbo it's all vegetable soup to me now!

KK had an "advisement" hearing, therefore expanded media coverage (EMC) was permitted per the Colorado statute.

 

[Seattle1]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
So, in regard to that document dump: The motion to unseal the probable cause affidavit from both @KOAA & @KRDONC13 was denied. Frazee objected. And @telemundodenver’s motion for cameras in the court on Tuesday was also denied. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

3:49 PM - 14 Feb 2019

 

[Artis]

I just don't know. Babbling idiot serum in the Twin Peaks (sic) water supply instead of fluoride? It seems MS has yet in life to experience a thought that wasn't planted by KK.

I'm getting the impression that KK is quite the manipulator - you know, like a narc. I don't know what M's deal is other than flying monkey and that's it's own pathology (and, sometimes, also a narc). Looks like M has enjoyed basking in the popularity of the rodeo queen. Now comes the infamy (which narcs also get off on). Plenty of fuel to go around.

 

[susiQ]

I tend to think it might have been KB and baby K were heading to the Berreths in Idaho. She could have been fed up with the situation in CO with PF and wanted to get away PF caught wind of it and that’s when he snapped

Without her car?

 

[Artis]

I don't even want to say this. And I certainly don't want to post it. But while I was sewing today my mind roams around all kinds of thoughts.
So I'm just going to throw it out there. What if KK not only had the phone but had KB as well?
Just a thought that I don't know that I particularly like.

Somebody disposed of Kelsey's remains (and possibly other evidence). Of course, you are absolutely right that KK (one of only two people we know was involved) could have done so. This is why I keep asking if cadaver dogs were used to sniff out the vehicles. I guess we don't know on that. I would sure as hell would brought some in. Knowing WHO dumped the remains, I would think, helps to narrow down where.

 

[ajaylee]

For those who may have followed the CW case or others more closely than I did: is PF unusually obsessed with privacy?

He immediately got an attorney before he was arrested or even named a person of interest and he communicated only through his attorney, even when the local authorities made it clear they wanted to talk to him. IIRC, both of his attorneys (the first one and the current one) took action to try to keep everything under wraps to the maximum extent under Colorado law.

Is this level of secrecy common in Colorado trials? If not, then why would PF or his attorneys be so concerned about privacy?

Sadly, the first thing that comes to mind is that things will come out that he doesn't want SF to know. That's just gut feeling, I have no facts to support it.

 

[ajaylee]

Somebody disposed of Kelsey's remains (and possibly other evidence). Of course, you are absolutely right that KK (one of only two people we know was involved) could have done so. This is why I keep asking if cadaver dogs were used to sniff out the vehicles. I guess we don't know on that. I would sure as hell would brought some in. Knowing WHO dumped the remains, I would think, helps to narrow down where.

I hope they checked KB's vehicles, too. He had her purse and keys. The only report of him was when the neighbor spotted his truck on Thanksgiving. He could have put KB's body in her car or truck and disposed of it later. That would greatly reduce the chances of evidence in his own truck.

 

[lindaromas]

KK had an "advisement" hearing, therefore expanded media coverage (EMC) was permitted per the Colorado statute.

Thank you! I could not find her hearing and well, I'm just having a bad day. Thank you for letting me know.