CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #38 *ARREST*

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  • #721
Possible motive for missing Colorado mom's murder surfaces for first time in lawsuit

New article I'm just now reading. Wrongful death civil suit gives clues to murder.

Missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth’s parents —- who are suing son-in-law Patrick Frazee for the wrongful death of their daughter —- allege in new court documents that Frazee murdered his fiancée because she refused to give him full custody of their one-year-old daughter Kaylee.

“Upon information and belief, Frazee had motive to kill Kelsey in that he wanted full custody of [Kaylee Berreth] and/or Kelsey to leave [Kaylee Berreth] with him and Kelsey would not agree,” the parents' attorney, Angela Jones, wrote in an amended civil complaint filed Friday in federal court on behalf of plaintiffs Cheryl and Darrell Berreth.


The lawsuit claims Frazee told Cheryl Berreth a series of lies “knowing that Kelsey was dead because he had killed her, or caused her to be killed, on November 22, 2018.”

On December 2, the plaintiffs claim, Cheryl Berreth called Frazee and asked him if everything was “okay”.


Kelsey Berreth is pictured in an undated handout photo.
Frazee allegedly told Cheryl that he and Kelsey had broken up on Thanksgiving Day and agreed to split custody of their daughter. That same day, Kelsey left Kaylee with Frazee while she “figured out what she was going to do”," according to the phone call documented in the amended complaint.


Kelsey also allegedly asked Frazee "for her things back, so he gave Kelsey her keys and her gun," according to the complaint.

According to Cheryl, Frazee told her that he and Kelsey had plans for November 25, three days after she was last seen shopping at a local supermarket in Woodland Park, Colorado.


"When he later sent a text and she didn’t respond, he figured she had put her phone on do-not-disturb so that she could study, which is something he said that she often did when she was studying or [Kaylee] was napping," the court documents detail.

Frazee allegedly also told Cheryl that despite the relationship starting off well, it eventually turned sour. He had "had enough and wasn’t going to deal with things anymore," because Kelsey was always criticizing him or "putting him down" in front of the baby.

In explaining one possible reason for her disappearance, Frazee allegedly suggested to Cheryl that Kelsey may have disappeared with a friend or co-worker because "Kelsey didn’t always return home directly after she got off of work and that she had gone out to dinner with some co-workers," according to the court documents.

Following that phone call with Frazee, the documents contend that Cheryl called the Woodland Park Police Department and asked them to check on her daughter Kelsey, who told Cheryl that while there were cars in the driveway, no one answered the door.


On December 3, "Frazee called Cheryl-Lee Berreth and told her he hadn’t been able to access Kelsey’s phone records online. He stated that she had set up the online access when she was working in Grand Junction and he didn’t know the answers to the access questions like ‘where did you meet your spouse?’"

Frazee also stated that he thought that Kelsey may have opened her own phone plan and changed her phone number. He told Cheryl-Lee Berreth: ‘I love your daughter.’ He said that Woodland Park is a safe place and the Berreths didn’t need to worry about foul play," according to the documents.

The documents also allege that Frazee encouraged false reports about Kelsey, including that the couple were not engaged, that Kelsey was not Kaylee's primary caregiver, that Kelsey had gone to rehab, that she had run off before, that she had abandoned the baby in Frazee's care and that she "had 'issues' that would warrant Frazee “getting full custody."



On February 8, Idaho nurse Krystal Lee Kenney pleaded guilty to helping Frazee dispose of Berreth’s cell phone. She is cooperating with the investigation and is required to testify against Frazee as part of her plea deal with prosecutors.

Cheryl and Darryl's newly amended complaint even go as far as to venture a guess as to how Frazee may have allegedly murdered their daughter.

"Frazee had an opportunity to kill Kelsey or have Kelsey killed in that he had her keys and, because he had her gun, she was vulnerable to an attack," the documents stated.

Calls to the attorneys representing Patrick Frazee in the civil lawsuit have not been returned.

Last month, a judge granted temporary custody of Kaylee to Berreth's parents, Cheryl and Darrell Berreth. The couple also has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Frazee.

Frazee is due back in court Feb. 19.

Just caught up here. It's somewhat gratifying to finally learn that PF was behind all those lies and attempts to smear Kelsey's character, as many of us suspected that all along. I never believed that they broke up on Thanksgiving day (or were broken up at all). That was only his story. And from the sounds of it he went on to change the story several times. He made up lots of lies about where Kelsey could be. His lies and story telling will be his undoing. I'm shocked he had the audacity to volunteer the info that he gave KB her keys and her gun back when they "broke up" (LIAR!) as if he really thought that would be believable when KB turned out be "missing" along with her purse, keys and gun (I'm assuming the gun is missing too-- please correct me if I'm wrong). And then for PF to mention that Woodland Park was safe and CB didn't have to worry about foul play. :eek: That had to have set off alarm bells for CB. :mad:

MOO.
 
  • #722
I don't know who was dumber, PF for saying he thought he could access her phone records, or CB for believing it long enough to call back and see if he did it. Phone bills don't list the calls anymore, they just give minutes, unless you're roaming in BFE. IMO
I can look at my account and look at every dialed and received call. Look at the account, not the billing.
 
  • #723
Wasn't the 25th the day he said she sent the text that she was going away? Or he sent, rather. Or KK sent. Imo

Yes. It's day we've been told that PF claimed to have received a text from Kelsey (but we were never told it what it said) and the day the text to Doss was sent. Looks like couldn't keep his lies straight.
 
  • #724
The only issue raised by PF attorney to the wrongful death suit was the Berreth's legal standing. PF's attorney argued KB's parents do not have legal standing under Colorado law as Berreth has a surviving child, and want the suit dismissed. The Berreth's have legal standing (designated beneficiary) so they have nothing left to address here.

That being said, how do you figure the amended wrongful death lawsuit is nothing more than an inflammatory [incendiary] reset of the Berreth's initial complaint? This makes no sense.

Also, be reminded the wrongful death lawsuit is a civil action by the Berreth's against PF. The criminal prosecution of PF is separate from the wrongful death suit. The prosecution is not looking for help from Berreth's suit and/or attorney!

Huh? You lost me.
http://www.cobar.org/Portals/COBAR/...ficiary act_web.pdf?ver=2012-07-27-130730-947
 
  • #725


Ma had to be in panic mode. By that time she must have realized that her son killed Kelsey and she was attached to baby K. She knew the inevitable was coming. At first I thought it would be too irrational to think they could hide the baby but now I'm not so sure. I want to say I feel compassion for her but I keep wondering if she's a Cindy Watts, in which case I wouldn't feel sorry for her.
 
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This amended complaint appears to me to be nothing more than an incendiary reset of the initial complaint, without addressing the issues raised by PF's attorney in the initial answer. I have no idea what the B's are hoping to accomplish with it, but they aren't helping the criminal prosecution at all. IMO

Explain, please. Also which part or what was the amendment?
 
  • #728
I don't know who was dumber, PF for saying he thought he could access her phone records, or CB for believing it long enough to call back and see if he did it. Phone bills don't list the calls anymore, they just give minutes, unless you're roaming in BFE. IMO
I don't believe CB was dumb at all. I think she trusted PF as did her daughter. If anything, CB was naive about the manipulative tactics PF was using and that has nothing to do with intelligence.

JMO
 
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  • #730
Explain, please. Also which part or what was the amendment?
The issues raised will be heard by a judge. Since it has not been ruled on they have the option of modifying the lawsuit to add additional information. LE may have asked them to withhold some information because of the criminal investigation when the original case was filed.
 
  • #731
I’m confused about this. If they were engaged why would he need full custody and why would he claim she refused? The affidavit says he lied about them not being engaged. I still don’t think this was about custody of little K.

If CB says he wanted full custody or for baby K to live full time at the ranchette, then she would have gotten that from Kelsey. I must be true. It would be she, Kelsey, telling her mom that she refused his absurd request to have baby K full time.

When he was with Kelsey, they were engaged. When he wasn't with her, as far as he was concerned, they were not because he had no desire to marry her and build a life together. He lets Kelsey think they're engaged while he's telling his circle of people that they broke up a year ago. He's like a guy who removes his wedding ring as soon as he walks out the door. Two faced. Living a double life. She's living 15 miles away, busy being being a mother and working. She's got no clue what he's telling people she doesn't hang out with. Though they were not married, it's like Adultery 101.
 
  • #732
Please don't judge until you try it! Cracker Barrel that is.....
There aren't any close to me, but I'm curious enough to try one on my next road trip.
 
  • #733
Well I’m not surprised at all that this was about custody. A lot of us guessed as much.

What does surprise me is how much he seems to have been in contact with CB to throw her off. I mean it makes sense given that something or someone had to be somewhat placating the Berreths that week. But I guess just because PF has been radio silent in the public realm, just having words at all attributed to him is surprising.

Not any less evil than I originally imagined.
 
  • #734
What if they found her body at a landfill? He couldn't explain how she transported herself there after killing herself.

That’s exactly why I would be surprised if he chose landfill for disposing of the body.

I think he’d plan that if her remeains were found it could, feasibly, look like an accident.

Or suicide, of course. I hadn’t thought of that till now.
 
  • #735
And simply to attempt to get attention off of him and shift focus to other person(s).

Yes. And also because one of the things that had been aggravating him recently was Kelsey’s new-found independence.

I bet she’d started to socialise with colleagues. That would have driven him nuts.
 
  • #736
If CB says he wanted full custody or for baby K to live full time at the ranchette, then she would have gotten that from Kelsey. I must be true. It would be she, Kelsey, telling her mom that she refused his absurd request to have baby K full time.
As far as we know, Kelsey didn't tell her mother about breaking-up with PF. We don't even know if there was an actual breakup. Why would PF ask Kelsey for full custody if they were still engaged? Did he threaten her with a break-up and mentioned it then? Would her mother know about it?
 
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So I'm sitting here past 2:00 AM and I am on the verge of either laughing non-stop or crying non-stop.

There are some really interesting and well thought out posts in this thread. I really appreciate the hard work most of you are putting into this discussion.

Then I suddenly see this name in random posts: PAUL MANAFORT. PAUL MANAFORT. PAUL MANAFORT.
What in the name of all that is holy in this universe and beyond does PAUL MANAFORT have to do with Kelsey's case?
DO NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IT IS RHETORICAL AND MY HEAD WILL EXPLODE IF SOMEONE ANSWERS.
Some of you are going to find out you have been temporarily thread banned. That means you will not be able to post on this discussion. You can everywhere else on the forum but just not here. If you happened to so much as responded with a smiley to the off-topic political discussion you have been thread banned for at least 3 days.
I am being really nice and asking you t0 please, stay on topic.

Thank you,

I need to go find a big marble post so I can bang my head on it non-stop before I go to bed.
Let's see laughing non-stop, crying non-stop and banging my head non-stop. That about covers it.
Goodnight.
Tricia
 
  • #738
Yes, needing to access her phone records ! He wanted total control .
That and saying that she didn't always return home directly after work, and that she would put her phone in "do not disturb" mode. Signs of a total control freak, IMHO.
 
  • #739
This amended complaint appears to me to be nothing more than an incendiary reset of the initial complaint, without addressing the issues raised by PF's attorney in the initial answer. I have no idea what the B's are hoping to accomplish with it, but they aren't helping the criminal prosecution at all. IMO
Hmmm... I think it is the judge in the criminal case who might be very displeased.

In the new long motion from the public defender, he is truthful in pointing up how it has been the prosecution requesting to keep even the arrest warrant from the PD and the defendant for so long - then DA May practically asked the media to make FOIA requests at the presser after KK's hearing. The judge has declined to release any documents until after PF's 2/19 hearing when the judge will deal with those motions and may or may not release them.

And now this release from the B's civil attorney smacks of an end run around the orderly conduct of his court. IMO, it is a statement of what CB's testimony will be in the upcoming criminal trial. IDK if the DA's office approved this release or not, they would not admit it if they did, but it looks like lawyer games. Judges do not like to be circumvented and the judge might be really angry, the judge who will determine on Tuesday whether or not to bind PF over on any of the 5 charges and determine whether he gets bail.

I realize this amended document is from the civil case, but they are perceived as on "the same side" as the prosecutor's office.

Where are our VA's? Can they enlighten us to this strategy? What was the point of this timing? Will the judge be angry?
 
  • #740
I'm not so sure. It sounds like he had her gun to take away the opportunity for her to protect herself, and her key so he could have access to her home, leaving her vulnerable. Imo
THIS^^^ Is this what underlies the felony murder/robbery charge? If KB's gun is missing, and PF took it so she could not defend herself when a "robber" broke into the townhome? Or is it missing as part of the items taken during the robbery that resulted in her death?

JMO I don't think she was shot with a gun, at least not at the townhome.
 
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