CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #39 *ARREST*

[enelram]

Weeks ago someone posted that there are only three reasons that people murder. Yep, just three. I googled it because I had forgotten what they were. They are as follows.
Financial greed/steal
Sexual lust/rape
The pursuit of power/control
I'm no expert but it certainly seems possible.

That would be me, and I postulated PF was the third. Control.
Short and simple, he wanted to re-exert his control that he'd lost.

 

[MsBetsy]

My money is on Financial greed/steal on this case. I can't say why here but we'll see.

I think it was about control. There may have been some financial advantages, but the underlying reason was because he no longer could manipulate Kelsey and was not about to allow her to have custody of "his" baby. Imo

 

[Eevie]

Weeks ago someone posted that there are only three reasons that people murder. Yep, just three. I googled it because I had forgotten what they were. They are as follows.
Financial greed/steal
Sexual lust/rape
The pursuit of power/control
I'm no expert but it certainly seems possible.

These "reasons that people murder" made me ponder from the psychology perspective (I am currently studying Psychology in my Master's) that perhaps with people that are willing to go to the extremes (as incomprehensible as that is), the universal needs also go way beyond normal?

One theory that is widely used to categorize these universal needs is the Self-Determination Theory (SDT). A key proposition of this theory is that human beings have deeply evolved psychological needs to be competent, autonomous, and related to others.

According to the SDT theory:
Autonomy refers to the need for doing things because we choose to do them, and enjoying that freedom of decision.
Competence refers to the need to feel that we have the ability to do what we wish to do, or the things that we choose, and be confident that we can carry them out.
Relatedness refers to the need for human connections that are secure, caring for others, and being respected.

This is just pure speculation on my part, and hugely MOO as I am not a clinical psychologist, but perhaps these people who see these extremely incomprehensible actions as a solution feel these kinds of needs in a very, very, very distorted way (something that is not understandable for the most of us).

This is in any way not meant to discount the actions, and it might not even be possible to ever rationally understand these very irrational, distorted minds. Just trying to somehow connect where these horrible reasons might stem from.

 

[lindaromas]

Good morning Colorado! How much snow did you get and is it still coming down?

 

[NoeticSoul]

Good morning Colorado! How much snow did you get and is it still coming down?

Good morning! Not much at all. Just really light flurries still. It's just icy and really cold but nothing that will stop this hearing, that's for sure!

I'm ready for the prosecution train to roll right over PF, full steam ahead today!

 

[Yellow Rose]

Good morning Colorado! How much snow did you get and is it still coming down?

Weather Street: Colorado Weather

 

[NoeticSoul]

Weather Street: Colorado Weather

LOL exactly, it's looks like it's snowing fairy dust ! that kind of snow... it's very pretty coming down.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Hope Sam is drinking coffee with a shot of EXPRESSO

 

[The Farm]

Morning,

What time is court today?

 

[NoeticSoul]

Morning,

What time is court today?

Good morning! 9 am Mountain Time.

CST 10 am
EST 11 am
PST 8am

 

[1mtroyal]

Weeks ago someone posted that there are only three reasons that people murder. Yep, just three. I googled it because I had forgotten what they were. They are as follows.
Financial greed/steal
Sexual lust/rape
The pursuit of power/control
I'm no expert but it certainly seems possible.

What category does killing in self defense fall into?

 

[The Farm]

Thanks Noetic, I know I read it could be a long day but did not get a start time.
Aside it being very cold up there today at least the roads should be ok.
Finally the 19th!

 

[Insomnia Momma]

I just want to say thank you in advance for posting tweets, etc during the hearing today! I have to work but I will be able to read here! I can’t wait to read what LE and KK say!

 

[MsBetsy]

What category does killing in self defense fall into?

None, probably, as the "motive" would be to prevent yourself from being killed or injured. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I just want to say thank you in advance for posting tweets, etc during the hearing today! I have to work but I will be able to read here! I can’t wait to read what LE and KK say![/QUOT delete

 

[MsBetsy]

I just want to say thank you in advance for posting tweets, etc during the hearing today! I have to work but I will be able to read here! I can’t wait to read what LE and KK say!

I thought KK was not going to appear?

 

[Insomnia Momma]

I thought KK was not going to appear?

I apologize if I’m wrong but I thought for sure she was testifying at the Prelim?

 

[enelram]

What category does killing in self defense fall into?

Self Defense Killing
Although someone may kill someone in self defense, this type of killing is not considered a crime like manslaughter or murder is. The American justice system recognizes the right of someone to protect himself or herself from harm. In order for a self defense to apply, the defendant must have believed that he or she was in imminent danger of harm and that the use and degree of force that he or she used was reasonably necessary to protect his or her safety or that of a third person.

Different states have different guidelines regarding the application of self defense. For example, some states impose a duty to retreat on the defendant in which he or she must first attempt to get away from the source of danger before exerting force in order to assert this defense. Other states only permit someone not to retreat if he or she was in his or her own home at the time of the attack. Other factors may be relevant in the application of this defense, such as who was the initial aggressor, who escalated a dispute and whether the defendant was engaged in criminal activity at the time that he or she asserts the defense.

 

[Rockymtnmermaid]

Good morning Colorado! How much snow did you get and is it still coming down?

Good Morning! I’m in Colorado Springs, most of the schools are in 2 hour delay, NOT CLOSED, and it looks like Cripple Creek got about 3” overnight and it is still falling but we’re used to snow and it won’t hold up the show! Hope everyone has a great day and maybe we’ll get a Plea today.

 

[InvSmith]

These "reasons that people murder" made me ponder from the psychology perspective (I am currently studying Psychology in my Master's) that perhaps with people that are willing to go to the extremes (as incomprehensible as that is), the universal needs also go way beyond normal?

One theory that is widely used to categorize these universal needs is the Self-Determination Theory (SDT). A key proposition of this theory is that human beings have deeply evolved psychological needs to be competent, autonomous, and related to others.

According to the SDT theory:
Autonomy refers to the need for doing things because we choose to do them, and enjoying that freedom of decision.
Competence refers to the need to feel that we have the ability to do what we wish to do, or the things that we choose, and be confident that we can carry them out.
Relatedness refers to the need for human connections that are secure, caring for others, and being respected.

This is just pure speculation on my part, and hugely MOO as I am not a clinical psychologist, but perhaps these people who see these extremely incomprehensible actions as a solution feel these kinds of needs in a very, very, very distorted way (something that is not understandable for the most of us).

This is in any way not meant to discount the actions, and it might not even be possible to ever rationally understand these very irrational, distorted minds. Just trying to somehow connect where these horrible reasons might stem from.

Good analysis. It may stem from a human development issue. In infancy, we think the world rotates around us. Most healthy adults figure out that it is the reverse. You mature. Develop and live out relationships, good, decent, and not so decent. Some people never stop seeing the world from rotating around them. Some people never leave infancy.