CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #40 *ARREST*

[Herat]

I think so to. She may have been in love with him for a long time, and was probably very vulnerable and lonely.
I believe he was well aware of that and used it to his advantage. I doubt he ever cared for her at all. Imo

Narcissists never care about anyone but themselves. KK was only a means to an end.

If she'd thought about it, she would have realized she was the likely next woman in PF's arena to disappear.

You know, the next time she showed up in WP after the murder & PF would want nothing to do with her

 

[TxMother67]

In either scenario, how the heck could she not have seen the bat? She would notice if he was holding something long behind his back. Can you hold both candles and a bat while administering an "smell test"?

How did he even get the darn thing in the house without KB noticing? I think the candle scenario is bogus.

I think he came in swinging... maybe striking her initially in the kitchen area and pushing her to the back office room to end her life.

I wonder how he got the bat into the condo. Did he just walk in with it or was it already there?
I’m still catching up on reading. Sorry if this has been addressed.
Moo

I'm thinking the same thing.

 

[MKZoo]

One thing that is most upsetting for me today is that, based on KKs story, the Berreths will likely be denied the recovery of their daughter. I hope they find her but it seems quite impossible.

That just infuriates me. I truly hope they will be able to deny PF any further contact with his own daughter. He deserves that and so much more. Ugh.

Imo.

 

[MassGuy]

Another question. How will the DA bring the evidence all together when they have no pictures of PF leaving the home with the body? Isn’t there a camera pointing at her front door from the neighbors home?

And Slater said he was seen in a white shirt with no blood on him.

There was so much confusion today, it makes your head spin.

The DA should be whipped for letting his own investigator keep repeating that PF and KK said that baby was abused.

I bet PF fights this to the very end.

Today wasn’t a trial. It was simply proving to a judge that there was justification to move forward.

They did that.

I am absolutely, completely, 100% sure that PF is done.

We got a small taste of the evidence against him, it is extensive.

KK can’t kill Kelsey if she is hundreds of miles away, and doesn’t arrive until a day and a half after the murder.

She came out of today looking worse than ever, but it won’t matter in regards to her nailing PF.

They’ve got him.

 

[vaporlass]

From the SamKraemer tweets, I believe I remember reading LE discovered that PF called KK at 4:30pm on Thxgiving in Idaho

But all of this “evidence” comes from KK who is by her own words IF they are true ... evil incarnate. It’s her word against his ... so far ... I’m waiting for more evidence because I’m not convinced she wasn’t MORE involved.

 

[MsBetsy]

By her own admission she traveled three times to make attempts on her life then places herself cleaning the victim's blood. All PF needs to do is be quite because everything she said he did, she was there as well.

I thought she did not arrive until the 24th? She could not have been there when the murder took place if this is true.
I do believe she intended to kill KB during those attempts and then could not bring herself to follow through. At least that's how it sounds to me.
Maybe the reason she agreed to clean up such a big mess afterwards was because she felt she had let him down. Imo

 

[mrstfs]

Apologies if this was already discussed... KK cleaned up all of this blood after it was dried for how many days later?

 

[Dontknow?]

Shocked a little like everyone else may be. Gruesome murder, little K there at the time! Revolting! Is there any evidence these two were drug buddies? It's the oddest relationship and story of how it happened I think I've ever read.

 

[jaspermac]

It’s interesting. Your point rings true on its face. It wreaks of something one would say if they were encouraged to do something.

Contrast that however, with her purported apology to him for failing on the first attempt to kill Kelsey, and his response that “there would be another chance.”

So it’s a wash for me.

Or is she putting words into his mouth and she said "don't worry there will be another chance".

Seems to me you have to be pretty invested in doing something as horrific as killing someone with a bat or a rod to drive 800 miles not just once but three times..

An I have to wonder why the heck would she drive 800 miles to clean up his mess, if she wasn't invested. Scared- call the police he is caught redhanded. Drive 800 miles?

I think their plan was for KK to do it, because she would be a completely unknown player in KB's life. Far less likely to be caught. But she couldn't do it. PF couldn't wait any more so they planned it for TG. The plan was for her to clean up while he had his alibi at home, at TG etc.

Who keeps hair net, booties, a full body coverup at home? For painting- yeah no. Not even painters wear them. I get covered in paint personally, including my hair and I do not wear a hair net. It would not protect against paint in your hair. And I'm a little vain, it looks awful. Put your hair up. Unless I didn't want my hair left as evidence, then i would use a hair net. I call BS on her story around that.

She was a full and equal partner in this crime, only he actually ended up doing the deed, but she tried 3x before. She just got lucky and got a deal to turn the tables on him.

 

[GordianKnot]

Having her guess candle scents sounds like girl thing. I can't see a guy thinking this up.

Not that KK did it, but I bet this part was her idea. Like the poison coffee.

I'll be honest, I can totally see the "blindfold smell test" ruse as being a PF-inspired idea.

Lots of women are into candles and wax melts and smell-good stuffs. If KB was one who liked burning scented candles, PF would have known that about her, IMO.

I absolutely can see PF conceiving of the idea of blindfolding KB and then swinging at her head like it was a piñata.

That speaks to a certain type of primitive, cold, brutal aggression which screams PF.

It's also sort of immature sounding, which is also PFish.

PF needed to devise a reason to get KB to don the blindfold so that she didn't see the bat coming.

He may have just seen the candles at KB's and inspiration struck.

All of the Above: JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Apologies if this was already discussed... KK cleaned up all of this blood after it was dried for how many days later?

A day and a half (ish).

That’s what bleach is for.

PF used wet wipes, like a dumbass.

 

[ab01]

Today wasn’t a trial. It was simply proving to a judge that there was justification to move forward.

They did that.

I am absolutely, completely, 100% sure that PF is done.

We got a small taste of the evidence against him, it is extensive.

KK can’t kill Kelsey if she is hundreds of miles away, and doesn’t arrive until a day and a half after the murder.

She came out of today looking worse than ever, but it won’t matter in regards to her nailing PF.

They’ve got him.

I agree remember as horrible as it sounds, as far as the evidence. We are just now seeing the tip of the iceberg IMO. The state still has much evidence that will come out a trial. Which just makes you shutter MOO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

What a day.....I’m drained. I took a little break from here after the court hearing and press conference. I should be catching up on real life and work that I neglected today, but my mind is still spinning so that’s probably not going to happen.

I wasn’t expecting so much info to come out today and was not prepared at all. However, I took tons of notes and I’ll work on updating the timeline in the next couple of days.

If anyone has a full or partial timeline with today’s info please feel free to post it and tag me in it or pm me with it and I can add to the timeline we have at the beginning of each thread.

Thanks to everyone on here and for all the updates.

 

[skyedaze]

And he knew he knocked a tooth out since he told KK to look for it and she found it

OMG! OMG

 

[Oregon]

Body fluids leaking through the bag

Could be just condensation, or something from the back of the truck, oil, dirt, water, mud.

 

[mustloveco]

I am wondering where KK stayed while she was in CO all these times she came to murder Kelsey. I'm also wondering why she traded cars w a friend

And honestly I feel like I've been going thru the stages of grief today, like maybe somehow Kelsey was alive like Jaime in Wisconsin, I hung on to a tiny bit of hope.

 

[MemPat]

As an official armchair psychologist, I see her murder this way. The defendant covered her head and face. He didn't want to see the face he had loved. He knocked out teeth, but had his accomplice pick up the one he saw. Again, he couldn't deal with the personal nature of his kill. Same with her blood....too personal and he would have to take responsibility in his own mind, for what he was doing. I'd love to know how he got her in a container for removal? Did he cover her? Was the baby crying? Has he got all this justified now? Is his accomplicette the "bad guy"?
TO ME, he's silent because he's got this whole twisted tale justified in his own mind. You won't see this defendant cry like Felon Watts, even though I think his tears were shed solely out of pure embarrassment of his crappy deeds that now the whole world knows.
As I shake my head, I wonder why God creates people like this. But as wonder, I am planning on dying with a legal pad full of questions for Him upon my death. Maybe then all questions will be answered.
IMHO

I don't think God creates them this way. They become what they are and they must reap the consequences.

I also have many questions because innocent people also pay a price.

 

[jaspermac]

Not a lawyer, but it seemed that perhaps the reason so much came out today was because the prosecution really wanted to give the judge every reason to deny bail and because if enough came out, it was possible that PF would reflect and decide to plead guilty and skip the trial.

I don't know how much PF knew before today about what KK had said in interviews, but hearing it in a closed room with your lawyer is a lot different from hearing it in front of your whole community.

It had to all come out because the only evidence they have against PF, other than cell phone pings putting his and KB's cell phones together on nov 22 and 23 is evidence from KK and they had to release all of it, because releasing some would just create more questions. And then they could lose the hearing.

 

[skyedaze]

Wayyyyy worse than any of us thought I think moo Poor Kelsey and Baby K

Yes..way worse. Way way worse.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yes, there were two areas with discoloration.

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
At Frazee’s property, Slater said something caught his eye. In Afghanistan, he says he was trained to detect where IEDs were. He noticed a distinct discoloration in an area that Kenney eventually pointed out as the burn area. The dirt was darker there than nearby. @KOAA

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Slater said he didn’t see anything charred in the dirt there. He just noticed the discoloration. FBI evidence team was present. Kenney also pointed out a small red plastic gas can & totes similar to what she said Frazee used to transport Kelsey’s body. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Slater says Arson Investigator jerry Meams came to the frazee property that day, Dec. 21. They excavated the area & found charred clumps of plastic. A test revealed there was accelerant in the debris. @KOAA #PatrickFrazee #KelseyBerreth #KrystalKenney

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Slater says a cadaver dog was brought to Nash Ranch eventually. It alerted to the specific discolored hay bale when positioned both underneath and above it. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Thanks PommyMommy