CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[PrairieWind]

The number one thing old farmers would do to disintegrate things in a burn barrel that is left over after several times of burning. Ie things that didn’t burn very well, they would very commonly pour old used motor oil on top and burn it. to burn it down to ash and make more room. Ok I’m moving on sorry for off topic. Anyways I don’t see any reason to doubt that pf burned kB in that trough and I believe LE is convinced he did as well. Moo

I think its likely that PF at least tried to burn the body in the trough. I just don't know if you could get a fire like that hot enough, and it would take a LONG time. So I am guessing there would have been quite a bit left that needed to be disposed of. I think it was reported that KK said he did that perhaps in a dumpster or in a river? Does anyone remember that?

 

[ab01]

LE has strong evidence that KK was not anywhere near KB home when she was killed. If they don't then I have lost all faith in the criminal justice system bc if they don't, any good DA will rip the case to shreds IMO. She was not the killer!

 

[Blondiexoxo]

KK DETAILS
I thought it had been said that if someone was able to give exact details, it was more likely they were telling the truth.

My first thought was that she was telling the truth, but then as more details come out such as her actually going to commit attempted murder on 3 seperate occasions, it’s really hard to believe she didn’t have a hand in the final, successful attempt. I suppose the fact he called her so soon afterwards and she was at home suggests he did this on his own, it’s only her words on how horrified she was at the scene though we don’t know if she was the one who encouraged him to do it.

 

[Esma]

LE has strong evidence that KK was not anywhere near KB home when she was killed. If they don't then I have lost all faith in the criminal justice system bc if they don't any good DA will rip the case to shreds IMO. She was not the killer!

I think they both were there.

 

[Elley Mae]

I have used burn barrels many times and they do work pretty well but the stuff at very bottom has to be stirred otherwise you dont get a clean burn of everything.

I call them 55 gallon drums. And in order to get good air circulation the only good way to put holes in the can is by firing a gun at the drum to put holes around it at the bottom. I first tried drilling the holes with a drill but that doesnt work because those 55 gallon drums are way too thick heavy guage metal.

Im not sure what he used to burn her in but I think a trough may actually be a little better to give him room to stir things. If he was only dousing things with the oil and gas then a trough may have been what he used.

There would definitetly be black burn marks on whatever he used so unless the trough has burn marks then it would not have been the burn container.

At least 5 gallons of gasoline & motor oil in a 100 gallon trough and continuing to add wood may have ended up with ash.

Eta yes they do have to be stirred.

The steel rod.?

 

[Deleted member 718]

Didn't KK purchase the bat in ID and bring it to CO on a previous trip? I could be off base (pun not intended, but I'll pretend it was, lol).

Anyone else remember that or have info handy?

jmo

PF used a wood bat that he burned in the fire. KK had an aluminum bat when she sat outside KB's house.

"Kenney told police that Frazee had wrapped a sweater around Berreth's head, telling her he wanted her to guess the scent of candles as a ruse, before beating her to death with a baseball bat and stashing her body on a ranch. After she cleaned the house, Kenney said she went with Frazee to retrieve Berreth's body and watched as Frazee burned it on his property along with the wooden bat, Slater said."

Cop testifies woman told police Colorado man beat fiancee to death with a bat

"Kenney told investigators Frazee asked her two more times to kill Berreth, once with a metal pipe and once with an aluminum bat. Both times she claims she couldn't do it."

Patrick Frazee going to trial in Kelsey Berreth murder case (UPDATE: Arrest affidavit inside article)

These bat stories are odd to say the least. Almost too much to believe.

 

[SandyQLS]

OK. Well, he didn't choose to do it. He may have doubted that he would be able to, or thought it was possible she'd get away. Or maybe never considered it. The bat method was foolproof.

I really don't know what to think about this whole thing yet. PF is used to handling animals and a very large person compared to KB. It would be so easy for PF to slip a belt around KB's neck, dead in 6 minutes, no mess. Or he could have used any of his many heavy tools like a monkey wrench or heavy hammer for better efficiency of blows and minimal mess.

Whoever wielded the bat chose that weapon for some reason. I do not believe that the goat-roping, barrel racing, basketball and volleyball playing RN KK needed PF to instruct her on how to swing a bat, as she claimed for her failed attempts to kill KB. The 3 solicitations are only KK's word and to me, KK had murderous intent. RN killers are often poisoners, as are women, and a woman would be more likely to wield a baseball bat in this situation than a man. JMO and not a fully developed thought yet either... serious information overload here in this case.

 

[ajaylee]

I think its likely that PF at least tried to burn the body in the trough. I just don't know if you could get a fire like that hot enough, and it would take a LONG time. So I am guessing there would have been quite a bit left that needed to be disposed of. I think it was reported that KK said he did that perhaps in a dumpster or in a river? Does anyone remember that?

I think KK said she and PF stood by the fire for three or four hours. It struck me that it was kind of a longish time to stand outside in the cold and not have to go in the house to use the bathroom or maybe get something to drink.

IIRC, they found traces of the plastic tote and accelerant where KK says the burn took place. She says PF was going to scoop up what was left and take it to the landfill or dump it in the river.

 

[Hatch]

Marking

 

[Julia966]

Beating someone to death with a baseball bat, it such a disgusting way to kill.

Fortunately, it was a huge mistake on his part. Without that blood evidence, the case against him would be a hell of a lot weaker.

Yeah, sure it is. He's a disgusting, depraved person. And it was a mistake, as you say, as well as involving another person who couldn't keep her trap shut for more than a few weeks. Thank goodness.

 

[Hatfield]

At least 5 gallons of gasoline & motor oil in a 100 gallon trough and continuing to add wood may have ended up with ash.

Eta yes they do have to be stirred.

The steel rod.?

I have never tried adding motor oil and that could definitely change the equation to make things hotter.

KK did mention though that he took some of the remnants after the fire and dumped it somewhere else. Either the dump or a river is what I think she said.

We will have to find those remarks she made. I found it very interesting that she was "vague' about where he took the final burnt remains after she knew specifics on everything else.

I think she knows exactly where he dumped the final burnt remains. Probably just bone fragments and small stuff.

 

[heartgoesout]

KK says a bat was the murder weapon. Doesn’t make it the least bit true. Hanging on a liars lies.

 

[gitana1]

I have been racking my brain, and you just made me remember what I've been trying to remember! The Drew Peterson case I believe it was. The one who had multiple wives and killed perhaps more than one of them.

In the Drew Peterson case, they could not bring up the lawyer to prove and or discuss that she had gone to a divorce lawyer. Because that lawyer had been highered. There for attorney-client privilege that lasted even after her death if I recall correctly.

But they finally were able to bring in another lawyer, because she had met him and talked about divorce in a restaurant, but she never had retained him. So prosecution was able to get that guy on stand and testify about the divorce proceedings and questions.

I think that the district attorney here, has just done a telegraph salvo across the bow as to knowing that there are legal papers, and that they have been seen, knowing that he will not be able to get them from the lawyer if PF had talked to him? But he can put on the stand the mother to talk about such?

Hope that makes sense what I'm saying.

Friday, he got it on the record that there were papers, but he will have no legal way to get them from the lawyer, and only from his mother or somebody else.?

Could that be what is going on here?

ETA typo

It does make sense. Smart thinking!

 

[MassGuy]

I have never tried adding motor oil and that could definitely change the equation to make things hotter.

KK did mention though that he took some of the remnants after the fire and dumped it somewhere else. Either the dump or a river is what I think she said.

We will have to find those remarks she made. I found it very interesting that she was "vague' about where he took the final burnt remains after she knew specifics on everything else.

I think she knows exactly where he dumped the final burnt remains. Probably just bone fragments and small stuff.

I don’t think she stayed long enough to see what he did with the remains.

She had a drive to make.

 

[Hatfield]

I don’t think she stayed long enough to see what he did with the remains.

She had a drive to make.

Good point. She had a phone she needed to get rid of by then.

 

[Inthedetails]

KK says a bat was the murder weapon. Doesn’t make it the least bit true. Hanging on a liars lies.

With no body, there is no way to prove what the weapon was. We do know it was a violent, bloody murder, but will likely never, ever know for sure what happened. I'm guessing PF is going to come up with a very different scenario.

jmo

 

[makayla]

I think he wanted to do it like this - I believe there was blind rage inside him - and I don't think he could do it the night before/early morning hours because she had the baby with her IIRC - there was a lot of phone activity between the two of them (Affidavit). I believe he thought he was so smart and had laid the groundwork for her running away and by burning her body, felt he was never going to get caught. How he kept KK under his spell - I dont' know. they had a long standing acquaintance - there's something there I'm just not sure what it is. IMO
ETA spelling

All of this shows PF’s arrogance and stupidity. If he’d kept it all to himself, without trying to solicit KK’s help, and if he’d planned it intelligently, he could have possibly gotten away with murder. Of course, he’d have to learn how to not leave a digital trail to start with .... what a fool he is!

 

[Julia966]

I really don't know what to think about this whole thing yet. PF is used to handling animals and a very large person compared to KB. It would be so easy for PF to slip a belt around KB's neck, dead in 6 minutes, no mess. Or he could have used any of his many heavy tools like a monkey wrench or heavy hammer for better efficiency of blows and minimal mess.

Whoever wielded the bat chose that weapon for some reason. I do not believe that the goat-roping, barrel racing, basketball and volleyball playing RN KK needed PF to instruct her on how to swing a bat, as she claimed for her failed attempts to kill KB. The 3 solicitations are only KK's word and to me, KK had murderous intent. RN killers are often poisoners, as are women, and a woman would be more likely to wield a baseball bat in this situation than a man. JMO and not a fully developed thought yet either... serious information overload here in this case.

He may simply not know how to strangle someone, or not feel comfortable what he would succeed. I don't know how, and I'd wager a lot of people don't. He's used to handling large animals, but he doesn't strangle them (I hope). He's a brute, and may very well not be acquainted with the fine points of strangulation. I'm personally not surprised by his choice.

I have no knowledge that women are more likely to kill with a baseball bat. Is that a fact?

 

[Notagain]

Still thinking KK was there Thanksgiving and actually went thru with it the third time. I know her family said she was there but bloods thicker than water, well sometimes. It is the Wild West and , well I don't carry a gun. I get uneasy right away.

This is what I'm thinking as well. If she left Idaho at 6:30pm on the 23rd and didn't arrive until 7:30am the next morning, the 24th, and then went straight to cleaning, then to Sonic, then to the gas station, and then watched the fire burn, oh and made it back to Idaho by 5:30pm the next day, the 25th, she literally had no sleep. How can you be up for over 36 hours, driving for over 24 of them, oh and deep cleaning up for 4-5 as well.

 

[Mercedes]

I have used burn barrels many times and they do work pretty well but the stuff at very bottom has to be stirred otherwise you dont get a clean burn of everything.

I call them 55 gallon drums. And in order to get good air circulation the only good way to put holes in the can is by firing a gun at the drum to put holes around it at the bottom. I first tried drilling the holes with a drill but that doesnt work because those 55 gallon drums are way too thick heavy guage metal.

Im not sure what he used to burn her in but I think a trough may actually be a little better to give him room to stir things. If he was only dousing things with the oil and gas then a trough may have been what he used.

There would definitetly be black burn marks on whatever he used so unless the trough has burn marks then it would not have been the burn container.

Wonder where the trough is now?