CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

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KK's reason for involvement is that she was scared of PF. She said he's evil to the core and she lived in fear of her life. What a better way to bolster her story than to describe a OMG murder scene from hell.

Unfortunately for her, unless she took pics, it's just her word against his. All of what she says was blood splattered was burned. The only evidence left are traces of blood that CBI crime scene investigators failed to notice after two days of searching.
 
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I may worry too much, but KKL is licensed to practice nursing in more than one state. I believe her Idaho license will be revoked, but what about the other states? And, after a few years have passed, could she get her license(s) reinstated? Scary thoughts.

The link to search for her info is below. Click on the "Need to Verify a Nurses' Licensure Status?" You'll need to use "l**" as the last name, "RN" as the license type and "Idaho" as the state. Also, you'll have to do the "I'm not a robot" CAPTCHA thing.

Nursys®
 
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It would have been PF. The testimony from Slater, and the affadavit, shows that they believe KK didn’t arrive in Colorado, until the morning of the 24th.

Sam Kraemer made a rare mistake, when he speculated that the testimony would have involved KK being at that Thanksgiving dinner at Sheila’s house.
i don’t think they know for sure. They know she’s a major liar and they don’t trust her story.
 
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She was jealous,and wanted KB out of the way. She just manipulated PF into doing the dirty work. So if caught she could lay all the blame on him.
MOO

This reminds me of a recent case, when a female convinced her young male friend, to commit suicide.
He committed suicide.:(
She was arrested, and went to trial.:)
Hope similarly here, there will be evidence available, that KK was the instigator here.
MOO.
 
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KK's reason for involvement is that she was scared of PF. She said he's evil to the core and she lived in fear of her life. What a better way to bolster her story than to describe a OMG murder scene from hell.

Unfortunately for her, unless she took pics, it's just her word against his. All of what she says was blood splattered was burned. The only evidence left are traces of blood that CBI crime scene investigators failed to notice after two days of searching.
Once they used luminal (or whatever brand it's called), I think they found a lot of blood, not just trace. That's how they proceeded with a murder charge, imo.

I do wonder if she took pictures....

jmo
 
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i don’t think they know for sure. They know she’s a major liar and they don’t trust her story.
They didn’t strike a deal with someone who could have been a murderer.

Their first step, would be verifying her whereabouts around the time of the crime.

They would want to be absolutely sure that this proven liar, was telling the truth.

They appear to be satisfied with her location.
 
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He may simply not know how to strangle someone, or not feel comfortable what he would succeed. I don't know how, and I'd wager a lot of people don't. He's used to handling large animals, but he doesn't strangle them (I hope). He's a brute, and may very well not be acquainted with the fine points of strangulation. I'm personally not surprised by his choice.

I have no knowledge that women are more likely to kill with a baseball bat. Is that a fact?
No, no, not a fact about using a bat by women. It's so hard to clearly type a thought but I thought I added JMO.

I meant a large man has easy overpowering choices, even no weapon at all, eg manual strangulation, head slam on hard surface, stomp on head and throat - and males know about physical one-on-one fighting in a way most women do not. With similarly sized women, a baseball bat gives an advantage that a man doesn't need. I am not certain who actually killed KB, and KK is a liar. JMO IMO MOO

Morton Salt restaurant-sized cannister on every word from KK.
 
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KK's reason for involvement is that she was scared of PF. She said he's evil to the core and she lived in fear of her life. What a better way to bolster her story than to describe a OMG murder scene from hell.

Unfortunately for her, unless she took pics, it's just her word against his. All of what she says was blood splattered was burned. The only evidence left are traces of blood that CBI crime scene investigators failed to notice after two days of searching.

KK 's behaviors are not consistent with fear of PF. She is in love. She visits him. She listens to him on and on and on about murder. She helpfully cleans up murder. She doesn't tell the police "OMG there's been a murder!" After cleaning up. Not fear. Much more like she cooperated in the planning, and just preferred not to do the actual murder, but was cool with keeping it a secret till the police came calling. Who does all that? No one , unless you are okay with murder. IMO.
 
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They didn’t strike a deal with someone who could have been a murderer.

Their first step, would be verifying her whereabouts around the time of the crime.

They would want to be absolutely sure that this proven liar, was telling the truth.

They appear to be satisfied with her location.
We’ll see. They got her to talk and admit that Kelsey was murdered- now if along the course of trial if it’s discovered she lied, can they revoke her plea deal? Will she then also be charged with conspiracy of 1st degree murder?
 
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It would have been PF. The testimony from Slater, and the affadavit, shows that they believe KK didn’t arrive in Colorado, until the morning of the 24th.

Sam Kraemer made a rare mistake, when he speculated that the testimony would have involved KK being at that Thanksgiving dinner at Sheila’s house.
Yes, that mistake confused everyone. The preliminary hearing was for PF, so when they said defendant, he is who they were talking about. I think part of the reason they wanted SF to testify is to say that PF came alone to dinner...And then the DA would point out huh, that's strange because at that time, PF and KB's phones traveled together to SF's residence, pinging the same section of a tower facing her property in Florissant.
 
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We’ll see. They got her to talk and admit that Kelsey was murdered- now if along the course of trial if it’s discovered she lied, can they revoke her plea deal? Will she then also be charged with conspiracy of 1st degree murder?
Yes, if she lied then the plea deal will be revoked.

She’d face charges that would put her away for many years.

The evidence simply doesn’t support her being the killer.

I hate this woman as much as anyone, but if the facts say that she was not the killer, then she wasn’t the killer.

She’s a disgusting liar, but her being in Idaho during Thanksgiving, is certainly supported by overwhelming evidence.
 
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2/20/19 -- Timeline for the disappearance of KB also at link

Kelsey Berreth murder case: Patrick Frazee, nurse's affair fueled conspiracy

[...]
After Lee refused to kill Berreth, Frazee allegeedly took matters into his own hands.

On Thanksgiving Day while at Berreth’s house, Frazee tied a sweater around her eyes as a blindfold and asked her to guess the scents of candles, the affidavit said.

“While she was blindfolded and distracted, he hit her with the bat, causing her death,” the affidavit said.
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Lee told investigators that Frazee called her later that day and told her she “had a mess to clean up,” referring to Berreth’s townhome after he had killed her. She drove in Garrison’s car all night on Nov. 23 and arrived at Frazee’s ranch the next day [ Nov. 24]. He had left a key for her next to the property’s front gate, Slater testified.

Lee used the key to enter Berreth’s townhome where she found blood on books, baby toys, oven mitts, stuffed animals and Berreth’s purse, the affidavit says. Blood coated the living room walls, the ceiling, wood floor, and furniture, Slater testified. Lee wore gloves, a hair net, booties and a white hazardous materials suit over her whole body when she cleaned the apartment over the span of four hours.

He asked Lee to search for a tooth because when he hit Berreth in the face with the bat several of her teeth flew out, the affidavit says. Lee told authorities she later found a tooth, root and all and threw it away.

Lee accompanied Frazee to the “Nash Ranch” about a half hour drive time from his ranch to retrieve a black tote bag containing Berreth’s body and the bat he allegedly used to kill his fiance, Slater testified.

Frazee asked Lee to take the body with her to Idaho but she refused, the affidavit said.

They returned to Frazee’s ranch. He put the tote into a 100-gallon metal trough, put wood in the trough, poured gasoline from a five-gallon container on the wood and tote and lit it on fire, the affidavit said.

“Lee never saw the body prior to it being burned, but Frazee said the body was in the black tote. At one point, the tote had melted, and there was a heap that Lee believed to be a human body still in the fire,” the affidavit said.

Frazee gave Lee a bag containing Berreth’s gun, the affidavit says.

“Frazee wanted Berreth’s firearm to appear to be missing in an attempt to lead investigators to believe that Berreth might have committed suicide. Frazee said that because she wouldn’t take the body, she had to take Berreth’s firearm with her and dispose of it,” the affidavit said.

Slater said that after Lee returned to Idaho, she gave the gun to a friend. Investigators retrieved the gun from the man and confirmed it had been purchased and owned by Berreth.

bbm
 
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Thinking...maybe kk wasn't planning on leaving evidence for LE to find (since she did such a good bang-up job cleaning in the first place). Maybe on the trip home she remembered she had forgotten to clean up two spots that she had planned on cleaning up before she left. Got tired. Forgot them. Hence the new concocted story.
She was as done as she was going to be. She had worked up an appetite and headed out to sonic and then she had a date later for popcorn and a bonfire.
 
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I'm still not convinced PF was present during Kelsey's murder. I think KB was drugged, kept alive until KK came to town and KK killed her. All PF did was dispose of the body. iow, he cleaned up KK's mess, not the other way around.

JMO
Good point.
 
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This is what I'm thinking as well. If she left Idaho at 6:30pm on the 23rd and didn't arrive until 7:30am the next morning, the 24th, and then went straight to cleaning, then to Sonic, then to the gas station, and then watched the fire burn, oh and made it back to Idaho by 5:30pm the next day, the 25th, she literally had no sleep. How can you be up for over 36 hours, driving for over 24 of rhem, oh and deep cleaning up for 4-5 as well.
Great thinking. Is it about 48 hours from 6:30pm Idaho departure 11/23 to 5:30pm Idaho arrival 11/25?

Did she make this trip alone?

Is M's borrowed car the evidence item Idaho LE needed help shipping? I remember speculation about it being KB's phone and also some vehicle.
 
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Evidence planted by whom? Not likely the Berreth’s had a pint of Kelsey’s blood sitting around. KK may have inadvertently or purposefully left blood in KB’s house, when she cleaned, but that also implicates her being at the scene of the crime at some point. I don’t think KK planted that evidence there. Too much chance for her to take.

Notably, KK showed LE where the blood stains were left behind at Kelsey’s house. LE did not know that, as I understand, until KK showed them.

I will agree with many here, she did stuff to cover her a$$, and explain it in the best light.

For anybody who has Grease on a brick and grouted area, they know the grout around the brick is the hardest to clean out.

She probably said that because she knew she had not done it well. It supports, and my opinion, that she was putting herself in the best light for all of it.

I think many of us are understanding that the greater good is for the baby to be saved from future harm from these horrible people associated with this case. I have never seen so many evil people associated with a case that were supposedly Suburban moms and dads that turn their heads on such.

R's, MS, SF, CF MG etc.

And to do such, they had to make a deal with the Devil and turn their head to not help KB.

Make no mistake, even For agnostics and atheists, they are the devil and , as another poster stated before up thread, they both should burn in h311. M o o
 
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Yes, if she lied then the plea deal will be revoked.

She’d face charges that would put her away for many years.

The evidence simply doesn’t support her being the killer.

I hate this woman as much as anyone, but if the facts say that she was not the killer, then she wasn’t the killer.
I haven’t seen any solid facts that clear her. Alibis are flimsy and hearsay. Is it possible she brought drugs the prior trip and he drugged KB on the 22nd but she didn’t die and they murdered her after the 22nd?
 
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I just think her story has so many lies, I don’t trust her at all and am not sure we really know the truth.
 
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