CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[InvSmith]

Something that bothers me that some have touched on is how does a kind soul like KB meet these two? Is it a possibility that it didn't just happen? Knowing what we know now, could one or both look for a person to meet then the pregnancy really complicated morbid plans? I don't know but it seems like they have always had a relationship even through part of a marriage. With social media and dating apps, there is no way, they did not know each other's business. It is just too strange and too many dynamics. It goes back to why was he comfortable asking her to murder KB? Why? Because he knew she would?

 

[borndem]

I get that she provided all the details eventually, but she should be behind bars and not walking around "free" to come and go as she pleases.. I know she is not stupid, as she is a nurse. So that makes her EVIL and complicit. I don't know how she can live with herself.

Agreed.
What kind of power or appeal or whatever did this ~man~ have that she would do all this with him and for him -- therefore putting herself in jeopardy as well? Certainly she would have him all to herself, but for how long?? It's like the mistress who hangs onto the separated husband, and then marries him... What makes her think that he won't do it again to her?
But her troubles at this time are far worse than that, and will be for who knoze how long? SMH. A fine bed she has made for herself.

 

[The Saint]

She still isn't safe from danger. So many people out there hate her, and there are a lot of crazy people in the world. Imo

I don't think anyone outside of her area would even recognize her.

KK, her friend, and the female prosecutor look very similar,--Swedish, maybe.

 

[Herat]

If you really want my personal opinion.... PF was going for a 2 for 1 or a BOGO (buy one get one).... Have KK kill KB and most likely get caught (highly doubtful KK would kill off KB with a steel rod in a parking lot.... or with a baseball bat)..... the coffee thing is another issue. Either way, IF IF IF... KK was able to kill KB its a darn good chance (in my mind) she would have been caught. How perfect for PF...... KB is gone for ever, KK is in prison for ever.. He'd get rid of them both. He is one sick, sick ****. KK is lucky she is still alive.

Well, he certainly tried to get KK to do it. After the first attempt with the coffee, he knew she could be manipulated into another attempt.

 

[The Saint]

Something that bothers me that some have touched on is how does a kind soul like KB meet these two? Is it a possibility that it didn't just happen? Knowing what we know now, could one or both look for a person to meet then the pregnancy really complicated morbid plans? I don't know but it seems like they have always had a relationship even through part of a marriage. With social media and dating apps, there is no way, they did not know each other's business. It is just too strange and too many dynamics. It goes back to why was he comfortable asking her to murder KB? Why? Because he knew she would?

A Perfect Storm...

 

[MemPat]

And then eating a tasty Thanksgiving dinner.
He's a psychopath, plain and simple.
So is KK imho. She also had a hearty appetite afterwards, stopping at Sonic.

Edited to add: I don't think KK came forward out of a "guilty conscience". She came forward to cop a plea because she knew she could face a lot of jail-time if she didn't, and that she'd be implicated as an accomplice. She only wants to save her own hide, imho.


moo

And she only "came forward" when LE went looking for her because of cell phone data. MOO

 

[esayer]

I'm still not convinced PF was present during Kelsey's murder. I think KB was drugged, kept alive until KK came to town and KK killed her. All PF did was dispose of the body. iow, he cleaned up KK's mess, not the other way around.

JMO

LE isn't that dumb to incarcerate and charge someone for first degree murder if they didn't do it. Same with CW. I'm sick of all these male murderer apologist posts. No. PF killed her and KK was an accessory but PF is the evil mastermind and perp.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Did anyone read #28 of the Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant about DNA? Just an observation.

"A DNA profile was developed and investigators learned that the blood matched the profile for Berreth. Additionally one unknown male profile and one unknown female profile were also developed from various areas of the bathroom. It is unlikely the male profile is Frazee's based on lab results"

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...lication and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf


MtBab, I thought this was interesting also, especially being in a bathroom as opposed to a more public room. We can rule out any family members as their DNA would match KB's DNA to some part. So who's is it? After KK bleached the heck out of the bathroom, it's hard to believe any usable DNA could be left. It also doesn't seem LE would leave DNA in a large enough amount to be recovered. Curious.

 

[Herat]

Agreed.
What kind of power or appeal or whatever did this ~man~ have that she would do all this with him and for him -- therefore putting herself in jeopardy as well? Certainly she would have him all to herself, but for how long?? It's like the mistress who hangs onto the separated husband, and then marries him... What makes her think that he won't do it again to her?
But her troubles at this time are far worse than that, and will be for who knoze how long? SMH. A fine bed she has made for herself.

I think she liked him to dominate her, and give her attention. If he could charm KB into moving to where he was, he was very capable of doing the same with attention-seeking middle-aged divorcee KK.

 

[SuziQ]

I wouldn't get too hung up on the word "alley

Or the cutting down the Christmas tree option out in the wilderness?
Not only is PF a psycho killer, he's a lazy one at that. He burned KB's body in a neigboring farm?!

I thought PF did the burn right outside his mom's front door.

 

[esayer]

Can someone tell me what they think has happened to PF's scalp? There's a big hunk of hair missing. Did he get in a jailhouse dustup?

He got kicked in the head by a horse a few years ago IIRC.

 

[Nudgee]

Well, he certainly tried to get KK to do it. After the first attempt with the coffee, he knew she could be manipulated into another attempt.

She was his pawn.....

 

[MyBelle]

Would someone please post or repost the scenario where they think PF drugged KB? And waited for KK to come and do the killing?

I have my own scenario and what I think actually happened. I think KK is only partially telling the truth. Although I was shocked by what I read yesterday. But in my thoughts analysis I don't believe it was Patrick that did the killing.

I would like to really see that other post that other scenario about the drugging.

That was me. I think PF used drugs obtained by KK to immobilize KB on Thanksgiving afternoon. Those two were in this together.

The entire baseball bat scenario is pure KK fantasy and demonstrates how diabolical she really is.

JMO

 

[srg]

I’m more horrified to think he was in KB ‘s condo for 3 1/2 hours, during which she was brutally killed.

His determination and fervor to dispatch her with such brutality makes me very worried that she was tortured. A man of his strength who deals with 2,000# horses could have killed her quickly with only 1-3 blows. He didn’t need 3 hours to kill her.

Right...It looks like PFs phone pinged from cell tower by KBs duplex between 13-16:30. So, yes, 3.5 hrs.

I assume part of this time was spent putting KBs body in the black tote bag, and then load it onto his truck. But yeah, what else did he do since he didn’t clean up HIS OWN mess?

Did he brutally kill KB then took a nap with baby K in the other room? Took a shower with the lit scented candles?

 

[Mercedes]

CL is KK's ex husband.
(They were divorced Aug 2018 per affidavit).

Interestingly, they were divorced in August, and the solicitations began in September.

 

[MsBetsy]

The timeline does not appear to place PF at SF’s home on the afternoon of T-Day until sometime AFTER


So, PF can’t have shown up at T-Day dinner at 2:30 and then left around 3:30.

Didn’t his brother stay PF arrived “after 2:30”. 4:30 is 2 hours later, not just after

I think his brother needs to be hauled in, as well as SF. I think they are all at least complicit in assisting after the fact.

I think he probably showed up sometime after 4:30. Maybe the call to his mom was to say he was running late and would be there soon.
Maybe dinner wasn't at 2:30, but that's when everyone was invited to come. Many people relax, drink, eat appetizers and watch TV on Thanksgiving before they actually sit down to eat.
Or maybe PF was just notoriously late. Maybe he told his family he was taking KB to dinner and then would be coming over. Or he had to check on the cattle. Again.
There are a lot of possibilities. Imo

 

[Trudie]

If you really want my personal opinion.... PF was going for a 2 for 1 or a BOGO (buy one get one).... Have KK kill KB and most likely get caught (highly doubtful KK would kill off KB with a steel rod in a parking lot.... or with a baseball bat)..... the coffee thing is another issue. Either way, IF IF IF... KK was able to kill KB its a darn good chance (in my mind) she would have been caught. How perfect for PF...... KB is gone for ever, KK is in prison for ever.. He'd get rid of them both. He is one sick, sick ****. KK is lucky she is still alive.

I’ve always said this. Kill two birds with one stone.
Omg, I can only imagine the hatred KKL had towards P when she discovered he had a baby. Surprised she didn’t kill him. She may have fantasized about it. Maybe her dreams are entangled with reality. Moo

 

[v0x]

Did anyone read #28 of the Application and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant about DNA? Just an observation.

Yes. Here it is. Did you have a specific observation/theory to share?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Is it possible more people than just PF were present during Kelsey's murder ?
Not sure why I'm wondering.
But it feels like it's complicated.... just more persons crawling out from the woodwork.

Gee I wonder who that could be.

 

[Trudie]

@Mercedes, I only caught a snippet, but Joey Jackson & a female attorney discussed KKL today on HLN. The female attorney said KKL’s charges can be enhanced. She went on to say they probably would not be. That’s a shame.
Have you ever heard of charges being enhanced, after a plea? Tysm