CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[NCTeacher]

This might be ridiculous, but who's to say with all of her friends and an aunti's help, someone didn't bring her phone down on the morning of the 25th while she took her burner phone with her and drove after Thanksgiving dinner? I don't trust her and her friends, to be honest. Some crumbs have truth to them, but some are just distractions, in my opinion.

Interesting point. One of the first questions that popped into my head yesterday was: Why did she wait until nearly 24 hours after PF called her to BEGIN her drive down there? It seems to me that she would make the trek that night and be there the next morning! Who leaves a house full of blood for 36+ hours?? What if her parents popped in to surprise her? Her brother? A friend? A co-worker? It is a HOLIDAY after all.

But, KK also supposedly stayed in a hotel the night of the 23rd while en route. Maybe she had to work on Friday the 23rd and couldn't leave until after work? Then again, they had that odd conversation on Thanksgiving where he ordered her to "just talk" (not even sure what that means exactly) and she thought there was "no way" of getting out of this "this time," which implies he knew she had some time off at Thanksgiving, which leads me to believe she didn't work at all from the 22nd-25th.

 

[Eleanor Rigby]

Something that bothers me that some have touched on is how does a kind soul like KB meet these two? Is it a possibility that it didn't just happen? Knowing what we know now, could one or both look for a person to meet then the pregnancy really complicated morbid plans? I don't know but it seems like they have always had a relationship even through part of a marriage. With social media and dating apps, there is no way, they did not know each other's business. It is just too strange and too many dynamics. It goes back to why was he comfortable asking her to murder KB? Why? Because he knew she would?

As odd as that scenario would seem, at least to me, a similar scenario happened in the Sydney Loofe murder. Again, internet dating was involved in how they met. In that case, Tinder was used to lure an unsuspecting young woman to a horrible murder by a psychopathic, murderous couple. They also got caught by cell phone evidence and surveillance video, in addition to Sydney's remains being found scattered over a large area. A big difference is that it all happened over two to three days, not over more than two years. But as WS's know, just about anything is possible. MOO.

 

[NCTeacher]

That would have been too risky. Besides, she already chickened out of beating her up twice before.

Everything they did was "too risky." Occam's Razor doesn't apply AT ALL in this case. Nothing is simple. Behavior isn't typical or normal, even typical or normal criminal behavior.

 

[Herat]

Again, the night before the murder, PF's behavior is very strange

He has an ulcer. What is KB going to do for him that his own Mother, an RN can't do? Why does he make KB come out there on a cold winter night to give him some meds? Some over the counter stuff, likely. Why does he send her out after cows on a different property for at least 3 hours in the middle of the night? Is SF aware both KB and Baby K are there that night?

Baby K was clearly around him or his mother. Why did KB then have to wearily take Baby K back about 4 am and drive from his place to her own, then text him only 5 hours later.

He had to be in the last few hours of planning the murder the next day. He'd already thought of a bat or an iron rod, as we have heard from KK, so he was well prepared mentally to batter this woman to death. LE hasn't noted that he was texting KK or she was texting him that night. Why not let KB have an accident out in the dark in a remote part of the pasture?

And the next day is weird too.

And then the massive overkill, if KK is to be believed. And the almost ritualistic destruction of her remains in the burn pit on his very own property. Didn't he think LE would come out there and notice that immediately? And he appears to have let KK participate in the burn

And the burn didn't need to be hidden from his mother

And his own brother, a sworn law enforcement officer, seems to give him an alibi that doesn't pan out on reviewing the cell phone records.

And his mother pleads the 5th.

 

[v0x]

I can't believe you just said this! This is what my hubby just said.
Yep we can't put it past her having buddies in kahoot.

I think Occam‘s razor applies here. Stupid is as stupid does; to quote Forrest Gump. I believe you all are giving these people too much credit when it comes to their level of intelligence.

 

[NCTeacher]

Could he have possibly drugged KB when he picked up the baby (perhaps brought her a tainted coffee)? She would have gone to sleep, as he expected, then he returns to kill her. I’d like to know if the security video shows KB opening the door for PF when he returned after the Walmart trip, or if he let himself in. All speculation and theorizing by me. And all dependent on how much of KK’s account is accurate, in that the murder happened in that timeframe.

I swear I have read that he let himself in.

 

[Aydrianna523]

To me she has very distinct features. I don't think she looks anything like her friend or the prosecutor, except maybe the color of her hair.
There was an interesting video that was posted of an interview with a Bob something on HLN, I think, where he talked about her maybe needing to change her name and go into hiding. I cant remember his last name.
Even though people have never met Kelsey or any of those involved in this horrible murder, there are some that are very passionate about this crime. Just look at some of the comments on these threads.
Some people get even more emotional since KK is getting off so easy, which adds more to the hatred. Imo

And maybe a media person would recognize her even if she moved. Brunette here she comes

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

I just finished reading the affidavit and tweets from that news reporter that was covering court yesterday. Am I correct that it sounds like PF was still dating KB while dating KK at the same time? Am I correct to assume that his motive was to get sole custody to run off with KK?

I am trying to understand if he was trying to date two women at the same time... I'm also trying to figure out if he was maybe planning to dump KK and stay with KB but something threw him off the edge???

 

[Gardener1850]

I wonder if KK has asked CL at any point to “take care of” PF? MOO

I think it could be the other way around-- Perhaps KK wanted PF to "take care of" CL (or someone else)? Perhaps PF agreed to help her with "her problem" but first KK would have to prove herself by murdering KB? Could this be a "you do my murder and I'll do yours" type of deal?

Why would KK act as if she is at PF's beck and call when it comes to committing murder? Unless she had her own reasons for wanting KB dead too, or had been promised something big in return for herself (quid pro quo), or has something to hide that PF was threatening to reveal? What else is there? I'm not buying that she was motivated simply by fear of PF. MOO.

It's just mind boggling anyone would do what she did.

MOO.

 

[MtBab]

Not to mention, the Berreth's gave their DNA for testing. Probably to rule them out as far as it being their DNA, seeing that they were staying at her condo shortly after she went missing.

I thought they had given DNA but I don’t see it noted in the affidavit. MOO

 

[Ccging]

Oh, you are so right! Great job- I think many of us forgot about that, I know I did!

Thanks, I’m a Starbucks frequenter so I notice coffee related things lol

I’m almost thinking the machiatto is KK’s fave drink, would make sense where she came up with it if so.

 

[Ultra Violet]

To me she has very distinct features. I don't think she looks anything like her friend or the prosecutor, except maybe the color of her hair.
There was an interesting video that was posted of an interview with a Bob something on HLN, I think, where he talked about her maybe needing to change her name and go into hiding. I cant remember his last name.
Even though people have never met Kelsey or any of those involved in this horrible murder, there are some that are very passionate about this crime. Just look at some of the comments on these threads.
Some people get even more emotional since KK is getting off so easy, which adds more to the hatred. Imo

I agree, they do not look alike at all. The female prosecutor is so gorgeous she could be a model. KK reminds me of Tonya Harding.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

We of everything she told law enforcement. Everything is predicated on what..." she said".
I think it's hard to leave someone doped up for a day and a half and tied up ....or is it worse and more risky to leave a bloody apartment empty for a day and a half risking someone coming in.
I'm just not convinced yet it wasn't her that did the beating.

Who would have come in? Didn't PF text KB's mom from her phone (on 24th) that KB would call her the next day? He had to make sure her mom wasn't too worried to have someone check on her, but that's it.

 

[jewelsmac]

PF was SO very determined for KK to be involved directly in the killing...why? Her refusals to poison/beat KB herself made her a huge disappointment. He could have killed and cleaned up all on his own, no witness. Why was he so determined that KK play an active role. Someone who could implicate him. Why not do it alone?
"You have a mess to clean up"
Almost like a punishment for not doing what he asked when he asked.

 

[Warwick7]

Again, the night before the murder, PF's behavior is very strange

He has an ulcer. What is KB going to do for him that his own Mother, an RN can't do? Why does he make KB come out there on a cold winter night to give him some meds? Some over the counter stuff, likely. Why does he send her out after cows on a different property for at least 3 hours in the middle of the night? Is SF aware both KB and Baby K are there that night?

Baby K was clearly around him or his mother. Why did KB then have to wearily take Baby K back about 4 am and drive from his place to her own, then text him only 5 hours later.

He had to be in the last few hours of planning the murder the next day. He'd already thought of a bat or an iron rod, as we have heard from KK, so he was well prepared mentally to batter this woman to death. LE hasn't noted that he was texting KK or she was texting him that night. Why not let KB have an accident out in the dark in a remote part of the pasture?

And the next day is weird too.

And then the massive overkill, if KK is to be believed. And the almost ritualistic destruction of her remains in the burn pit on his very own property. Didn't he think LE would come out there and notice that immediately? And he appears to have let KK participate in the burn

And the burn didn't need to be hidden from his mother

And his own brother, a sworn law enforcement officer, seems to give him an alibi that doesn't pan out on reviewing the cell phone records.

And his mother pleads the 5th.

Tooshay to this post!

 

[1mtroyal]

Isn’t it a definite that KK will have to testify if PF goes to trial? Or am I assuming too much?

How can one person, KK, come in and give all this damaging testimony against PF without ever stepping foot into the witness box?

It’s been a long time since college, however as memory serves me, KK will have to testify before the jury for PF to be convicted. She wasn’t given a plea deal and not sentenced until this is over to just be free as a kite with her worries over.

KK must remember the details as she told them to LE or the girl may find herself in a heap of trouble. The plea can be withdrawn if it is discovered she has lied at any time to LE.

Truthfully, I feel she will hang herself on the stand. She will be so nervous, then facing PF, his attorney grilling her, she will forget a detail she has changed that places more guilt on her than alluded to. Sorry for that long sentence.
If this should happen, then folks, we are looking at a new scenario!

If PF pleads guilty, KK will not have to testify, but if there is indeed a trial, yes, she will have to testify. So at this time, it is not certain she will have to testify.

 

[sunshineandlove]

How is going to keep up her figure otherwise?

That really bothers me. I mean we all have to eat but I don't think I would feel much like eating after cleaning up a brutal murder scene. I think I would need a Valium or a bottle of Jack or both, but I will never be in that situation because I would NOT be cleaning up for anyone after a murder.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Would she be eligible for witness protection? I'm not sure how easy it would be to get.

I think no. MassGuy reassured me last night that it’s only available for Federal witnesses.

 

[jewelsmac]

So, just jumping in and off your post, I guess I'd like to take a minute to speak to that point.
I've seen similar sentiments expressed on the thread re: Dan May, and people's understandable feelings of dismay re: the deal he proffered to KK.
I say understandable because I share those exact same feelings you and countless others here have expressed.

Frankly, the fact that KK received such a sweetie beauty of a deal sticks in my craw,
and I don't even know what a craw is.

KK doesn't deserve a pass.
But for all intents and purposes, she's been given a pass.
Life doesn't always hand us what we deserve.

They say justice is blind.
In this case, Lady Justice had to strap on her blindfold w/ regard to KK's actions.
It had to be done.

Because PF must, must, MUST be made to pay for his savage, vicious snuffing out of KB's precious life's breath. PF took everything from KB. Everything. And he did it in a cruel, barbaric and bestial way.

PF is evil incarnate. I really believe that.

I think Dan May recognizes the extreme danger that PF poses to society, and he made the determination that PF had to be locked away forever at any cost, both for the safety of society as a whole and as a just punishment for his ferocious extinguishing of KB's light.

I'll bet you anything that Dan May absolutely hated having to make that deal with KK.
As much as this deal sticks in my craw and yours, too, probably, I'll bet it sticks in Dan's even more.
But he knows what the overarching imperative he's been tasked with is, and that's to make sure PF pays for his actions.

PF plotted KB's murder.
PF solicited KB's murder.
PF executed KB's murder.
With a baseball bat. A baseball bat!

Dan May is going to eviscerate PF in the courtroom.
Dan is going to bury PF, but he needs KK's cooperation and testimony to do it.
KK is the only one holding the magic shovel.

Frazeeing PF is the real imperative here. So, I swallow the bile that rises in my throat every time I think of KK walking out of the courthouse a free woman, because right on the heels of that thought is the absolute conviction that Dan May is going to ensure that PF never draws a free breath for the rest of his unnatural, unholy life, which hopefully won't be a long one.

For me, that's enough.

Here endeth the manifesto.

That pretty much sums it up perfectly.

 

[Warwick7]

Who would have come in? Didn't PF text KB's mom from her phone (on 24th) that KB would call her the next day? He had to make sure her mom wasn't too worried to have someone check on her, but that's it.

I forgot about that text. CB said she butt dialed by accident.
Now that I think about it didn't PF have KK take KB's cell back to her home area and make that tect?