CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[dixiegirl1035]

Took me a few seconds. Good question. Great thought.

Iirc, there were 32 search warrants!

 

[Inthedetails]

It's possible KB had her own bat, for whatever reason, and it was already in the house.



It is very strange. All I can think is that she was desperate to please him and do his bidding. Low self-image or something. How it came to that, being hundreds of miles apart for many years with not a whole lot going on between them, is a mystery. It's hard to imagine how he got that hold on her and why she permitted it to happen.

It is extremely hard to absorb KK's involvement, especially since she lived so far away. She was safe to contact LE at any point. She was educated, had a job - she didn't "need" PF. And, I find it extremely disturbing that she was willing to be part of killing a mother when she herself is a mother of young children. Even if she hated KB, surely she realized that killing a toddler's mother is cruel to the child.

I really haven't wrapped my head around it, though reading yesterday's news made it clear that KK was definitely involved.

What a waste she made of her life.

jmo

 

[heartgoesout]

I was under the impression that the body was in the tote and the tote was put in the trough, covered with oil and 5 gallons of gasoline and wood.

I wouldn't have thought that was enough to destroy everything, but it should have reduced it enough for PF to 'scoop' up and dispose of, which KK says PF says he did.

Remnants of plastics and accelerant but no Kelsey. I just don’t buy it but I admit I would have no idea what burning a body involves and how to dispose of just certain things and leave other things behind.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I still can't wrap my head around KK getting involved in this mess.

She was jealous,and wanted KB out of the way. She just manipulated PF into doing the dirty work. So if caught she could lay all the blame on him.
MOO

 

[ab01]

I was under the impression that the body was in the tote and the tote was put in the trough, covered with oil and 5 gallons of gasoline and wood.

I wouldn't have thought that was enough to destroy everything, but it should have reduced it enough for PF to 'scoop' up and dispose of, which KK says PF says he did.

Correct there were other things besides the body in the trough, I’m not sure I was saying there wasn’t....I have no idea what else to say

I agree

 

[raja]

KB may well have had a bat in the house since PF took her gun. Regarding KB's gun. It seems that PF was the one that sent the text to CB posing as KB stating that she got her gun back and now felt safe with PF. Why? Did he think KB told her mom she did not feel safe?

 

[ajaylee]

It is extremely hard to absorb KK's involvement, especially since she lived so far away. She was safe to contact LE at any point. She was educated, had a job - she didn't "need" PF. And, I find it extremely disturbing that she was willing to be part of killing a mother when she herself is a mother of young children. Even if she hated KB, surely she realized that killing a toddler's mother is cruel to the child.

I really haven't wrapped my head around it, though reading yesterday's news made it clear that KK was definitely involved.

What a waste she made of her life.

jmo

I wasn't impressed with the R's (the attorney couple that KK's friend confided in), but I have to say, I can understand why Mrs. R said what she did. She said that PF must have some kind of inexplicable hold over KK because nothing else made sense.

I don't think she meant blackmail, but I also think she recognized that it was more than just being head-over-heels in love.

Three trips to Colorado to try to kill KB, once by poisoning, and twice by blunt force - after driving for hours and having plenty of time to think about it? Yeah, that is just so hard to understand.

He tells her she has a mess to clean up and her answer is 'yes, master?' This tough rodeo cowgirl?

BTW...I really hope the prosecution is going to ask KK to explain what she meant when she told her friend that she thought PF had killed before.

 

[Aydrianna523]

KB may well have had a bat in the house since PF took her gun. Regarding KB's gun. It seems that PF was the one that sent the text to CB posing as KB stating that she got her gun back and now felt safe with PF. Why? Did he think KB told her mom she did not feel safe?

Interesting...

 

[InvSmith]

Yes, I would think the fact that the phones were "travelling" together, or pinged in the same location on the days following Thanksgiving would be enough to convince a jury. CB tried to call Kelsey, and could not get through because PF had her phone.
There was no evidence of any communication on her phone after the 22nd, except that which was initiated by PF.
Sounds convincing enough for me. Imo

So technically, it places the phone there that could have been left by her on the 22nd as an argument.

 

[Herat]

Correct there were other things besides the body in the trough, I’m not sure I was saying there wasn’t....I have no idea what else to say.

All we have right now is a small amount of information from LE about what their determination of the burn site held: Melted black plastic with an accelerant.....

The rest is from statements by KK. I think we should all be careful about assuming what she has said to LE was the truth, and the complete and honest truth

 

[Mercedes]

IF this goes to trial, the defense will be ALL over this and it will
be a HUGE effort to overcome for DA. IE- planted evidence.

Evidence planted by whom? Not likely the Berreth’s had a pint of Kelsey’s blood sitting around. KK may have inadvertently or purposefully left blood in KB’s house, when she cleaned, but that also implicates her being at the scene of the crime at some point. I don’t think KK planted that evidence there. Too much chance for her to take.

Notably, KK showed LE where the blood stains were left behind at Kelsey’s house. LE did not know that, as I understand, until KK showed them.

 

[ajaylee]

KB may well have had a bat in the house since PF took her gun. Regarding KB's gun. It seems that PF was the one that sent the text to CB posing as KB stating that she got her gun back and now felt safe with PF. Why? Did he think KB told her mom she did not feel safe?

Just another red herring. When KB disappeared, her mother would tell LE that she had been concerned about safety recently.

 

[Elley Mae]

Hi Everyone, This is my first post on WS. I have been following since the Watts murders.
I was wondering if anyone has seen the photo of PF when he returned to KB place at 1:24 pm. The info says the neighbor said someone who looked like PF but shouldn't he also have been carrying the baby. The info never mentioned the baby.

Maybe baby was w/sf.

 

[Julia966]

It is extremely hard to absorb KK's involvement, especially since she lived so far away. She was safe to contact LE at any point. She was educated, had a job - she didn't "need" PF. And, I find it extremely disturbing that she was willing to be part of killing a mother when she herself is a mother of young children. Even if she hated KB, surely she realized that killing a toddler's mother is cruel to the child.

I really haven't wrapped my head around it, though reading yesterday's news made it clear that KK was definitely involved.

What a waste she made of her life.

jmo

Yup, my opinion as well. What did she get out of it? Did they even contact each other or see each other again afterward?

Maybe he basically dumped her afterward (not that they were really together in any meaningful way anyhow) and that's why she cooperated. It doesn't seem like LE had anything on her that would cause her to cave, except some phone calls.

They're both so stupid and short-sighted and depraved, it's truly mind-boggling.

 

[ajaylee]

Evidence planted by whom? Not likely the Berreth’s had a pint of Kelsey’s blood sitting around. KK may have inadvertently or purposefully left blood in KB’s house, when she cleaned, but that also implicates her being at the scene of the crime at some point. I don’t think KK planted that evidence there. Too much chance for her to take.

Notably, KK showed LE where the blood stains were left behind at Kelsey’s house. LE did not know that, as I understand, until KK showed them.

This. The defense can't possibly suggest someone 'planted' KB's blood. The best they can do is suggest that (hinted before) the blood in the bathroom was from KB's period and there's no proof of how or when her blood got on the light switch or fireplace. She could have cut herself and touched a couple things before noticing - I've done that.

 

[heartgoesout]

All we have right now is a small amount of information from LE about what their determination of the burn site held: Melted black plastic with an accelerant.....

The rest is from statements by KK. I think we should all be careful about assuming what she has said to LE was the truth, and the complete and honest truth

I assume everything she has said to be false.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I think some may be overestimating an RN's murder scene cleaning skills. RN's receive OSHA training in how to contain and dispose of a small bio-hazard spill. If there's a spill larger than what can be contained in a few disposable towels and some disinfectant spray, Environmental Services are called. Hospitals take bio-hazards very seriously and have strict rules on how to deal with it.

 

[1mtroyal]

he probably also knew the ranch owner would not be home on
Thanksgiving Day to see what he was doing.

Around here if someone says they are going to the "Nash Ranch", they are going to the ranch that used to owned by someone named Nash. Ranchers own many ranches that others used to own and got gobbled up when ranches went under or there were no children left to take over the ranch.
Probably 90% of the ranches that were around in 1930 are gone now and the current ranchers keep on to calling them by the people who lived there for easy identification. If the Frazee's sell their current place of 35 acres, in 20 years the new owners will probably say they are going over to the Frazee Ranch even though no one would be living there.

 

[Julia966]

KB may well have had a bat in the house since PF took her gun. Regarding KB's gun. It seems that PF was the one that sent the text to CB posing as KB stating that she got her gun back and now felt safe with PF. Why? Did he think KB told her mom she did not feel safe?

She may also have played softball. Bats have other functions

 

[heartgoesout]

Yup, my opinion as well. What did she get out of it? Did they even contact each other or see each other again afterward?

Maybe he basically dumped her afterward (not that they were really together in any meaningful way anyhow) and that's why she cooperated. It doesn't seem like LE had anything on her that would cause her to cave, except some phone calls.

They're both so stupid and short-sighted and selfish, it's truly mind-boggling.

I strongly wonder this too. Why aren’t we hearing of PF & KK interaction after she left?