CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #41 *ARREST*

[gitana1]

Thanks but that's for PK and KB's phones, I want to know where KKL's phone was pinging from around Nov 15 through the 24th.

The FBI necessarily examined her phone records and pings on the dates surrounding the murder. They found her phone pinging in CO on 11-24. Not dates preceding the murder and not on the murder itself.

And she borrowed a car in ID on 11-23. To go to CO. There is no witness info to indicate she wasn't in ID on Thanksgiving.

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder if KK was in CO on Thanksgiving.

Just kidding.

Evidence clearly stated above.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

It would be interesting to see the surveillance video of him when he picked up the baby and when he left the final time. Same clothing? Maybe he wore a blond wig? They have said whether there is one of him leaving.

I bet he had clothes at Kelsey's that he kept there, for overnight stays.
MOO

 

[travelbug]

KK is a liar, we know that.

Most of what she told LE before her plea deal is proven to be false. Lies. Let's not forget this- it's pretty much the same thing done by any criminal hoping to avoid being caught.

After the plea deal is an entirely different scenario. KK and her lawyer believed the prosecutor had enough information to put her away for a long time, based on the evidence that was selected to be revealed to them.
However, if she told the truth and would testify against PF, the charges/sentence would be limited.

KK does not know all evidence that LE has on her at this point, so if she lies in her plea evidence, she better pick unprovable lies.

Now, after hearing the sordid details she gave LE about her own actions, why do we think would she lie? She admitted that she is monster in the eyes of the world. If there were lies in her plea information, that might move her down from Monster Level 17 to Monster Level 16. Doesn't change anything, except she risks losing her plea.

The idea of KK's lying before the plea deal and after the plea deal are separate issues altogether, in my opinion. The plea information was so grotesque and illogical, that I personally think she was being truthful.

However, what if PF wasn’t wielding the bat. KK is repeating what he told her he did. But, what if SF finished what KK and PF kept starting and didn’t have the courage to complete. What if PF was the flunky, KK was the patsy and SF was the mastermind and the only one who really cared about getting custody of the baby enough to do what that would take.
Now you have reasonable doubt with PF, KK has her plea deal and they have no verifiable proof of the part SF played. Jmho

 

[MyBelle]

KK is a vile human being, who is about to get off extremely light, considering her level of involvement.

We all hate her.

But to twist her involvement into a scenario that makes her present at Kelsey’s murder, requires one to ignore evidence, and play the game of “maybe, might have, could have, possibly did.”

Evidence shows she wasn’t in Colorado during the murder.

Evidence shows that PF lied about when he last saw Kelsey.

Footage shows PF entering Kelsey’s house after he last claimed to have seen her.

Cell phone data shows that the deception began after PF left the house.

Cell phone calls from PF to KK, back up her account that he called her after committing the murder himself.

I do think that KK is fully capable of committing murder.

She didn’t though.

There is no forensic evidence as to time or day of murder.

I'm pretty sure cell phone data can't prove what was actually said on a phone call.

I think PF and KK planned and killed together. Bonnie & Clyde.

JMO

 

[AvaGrace]

Remnants of plastics and accelerant but no Kelsey. I just don’t buy it but I admit I would have no idea what burning a body involves and how to dispose of just certain things and leave other things behind.

In order to turn human bone to ashes, a fire must burn at 1400 to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit. There is no was PF fire got that hot and for the length of time needed to turn KB body into total ash.

 

[Inthedetails]

In order to turn human bone to ashes, a fire must burn at 1400 to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit. There is no was PF fire got that hot and for the length of time needed to turn KB body into total ash.

Didn't KK say PF scooped up what remained and got rid of it (river or dump?). That implies there was something left after the burn. I don't think the body was burned completely to ash. Did I miss that detail?

jmo

 

[susiQ]

So what happened to his bloody clothes? Did he bring clothes with him to change into? Did he keep clothes at her place? KK mentions throwing away KB's bloody sweater, toys, the Bible...but no mention of his bloody clothes. What did he do with them, I wonder? Shoes, too.

jmo

I suspect he had some clothes there or picked some up at Walmart? I could fit my clothes and shoes into one grocery bag. Not too difficult. MOO

 

[ab01]

That is DEFINITELY going to BE his defense. Assuming that the defense can't find holes in the technology to make it possible that KK was there in WP herself on the 22nd.

I’m not sure it even matters weather or not kk was there or not(which she wasn’t). As far as PF denial of involvement

Via video surveillance

KB enters the home.

PF enters the home.

PF leaves the home

KB is never seen leaving the home alive again!

No contact with anybody etc.

KB blood is found on cleaning items at ma fs

Medical document dated December 12th no KB listed as contact signed by PF

Pretty definitive IMO

PF is not going to walk away from this

 

[Kapua]

KK is a vile human being, who is about to get off extremely light, considering her level of involvement.

We all hate her.

But to twist her involvement into a scenario that makes her present at Kelsey’s murder, requires one to ignore evidence, and play the game of “maybe, might have, could have, possibly did.”

Evidence shows she wasn’t in Colorado during the murder.

Evidence shows that PF lied about when he last saw Kelsey.

Footage shows PF entering Kelsey’s house after he last claimed to have seen her.

Cell phone data shows that the deception began after PF left the house.

Cell phone calls from PF to KK, back up her account that he called her after committing the murder himself.

I do think that KK is fully capable of committing murder.

She didn’t though.

No she could not have. It was clear that KB was never seen from or legitimately heard from after she renetered her home on 11-22-18. PF was seen entering that home and leaving a couple hours later. He took the baby with him.

There is zero evidence that KK was in CO until 11-24. And zero evidence that she was at KB's home until that date. The evidence shows she didn't leave ID until 11-23.

PF didn't drug KB and keep her alive until his girlfriend could come finish the job two days later. That's fantastical. No one takes the risk of having a love but incapacitated person for that many days of rhey really want them dead. Too much opportunity to get caught.

Her account matches cell phone records, blood spatter evidence and witness accounts.

I'm with MassGuy and Gitana on this. MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

I suspect he had some clothes there or picked some up at Walmart? I could fit my clothes and shoes into one grocery bag. Not too difficult. MOO

So creepy he came prepared. Had the bat somewhere handy. Had the sweater game thought out. Had a change of clothes?
Sure wish he had left baby with SF - was it his plan to murder KB with the baby in the house? Cruel.

jmo

 

[Hatfield]

Thanks, but once again that is PF and KB's phones, I'm looking for KRYSTAL's phone records.

Edit/add: They may not be released to the public yet. I'll wait and think on this some more. Pretty sad as I sit here trying to think as diabolically as this crew has been.

I know right. Thats the problem. We have to think just as diabolical as either of them in order to try to make some sense of it all.

I am beginning to wonder how many burner phones she actually did get and wasnt there something about checking into flights.
Its all so insane.

 

[Seattle1]

JMO
One other part of her story I dont quite believe is how she said he left a key down at his gate for her to pickup and use to get into KB's house so she could go clean up the mess he made.

That part may be true but I tend to think he would have had to show up at KB's place to help show KK where all the places are that need cleaned up.

Some places would be obvious of course but he would want to be sure everything was cleaned up so I think he had to have shown up at KBs place while KK was there too. She made it sound like he wasnt even there during the cleanup but I think he had to have shown up at some point to make sure cleanup was done to his satisfaction.

Afterall they went to Nash ranch together after that.

For all his arrogance, I don’t think PF would return to the scene of the crime.

kK new the location of condo as she was there several times prior to 11/24.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

KK could have saved KB's life several different times, and didn't. That's got to be a crime, doesn't it? If you told me you were going to kill someone, I believed you, and just waited till you did?
Maybe the DA knows she's lying and will charge her after PFs trial with more crimes.

 

[Artis]

Tell your hubby, two great minds think alike, lol.

I admit, when someone lies to me, I am very very skeptical of them afterwards, when it comes to something like this. I don't mean happy white lies here. But lie to me about your whereabouts or anything criminal, and you're off my trust meter, below zero, buddy! I usually have good extincts but I can be wrong. When it comes to crimes like this and the people involved, I can be cynical and I don't apologize for it. Once you show these people any sympathy, watch the lies fly out of their mouths again- it's amazing, how they feed off of understanding and compassion.

^^THIS. All lies are sins and the big whoppers this told are all about covering her . Anyone who thinks she won't go right on lying is is insane. That's what really bothers me about the female prosecutor in the last presser. She almost appeared to feel sorry for KK when explaining her dry run killing visits with "she just couldn't go through with it". Give me a f-ing break. That woman is snowed by KK. Oh sure, KK drove thousands of miles, on multiple trips to stalk Kelsey to murder her and, oh, sure, KK cleaned up a ghastly murder scene (and brought her own supplies to do it), and oh, sure, KK attended the moving and burning of Kelsey's body and, oh, sure, KK stole Kelsey's phone and sent phony texts to delay any investigation, and oh, sure, KK destroyed her own phone along with Kelsey's and, oh, sure, KK lied her of to LE but, hey, she just couldn't actually go through with doing the killing, herself and she's like totally telling the truth now and being so cooperative. *****, please.

:vomit:

 

[GordianKnot]

KK is a vile human being, who is about to get off extremely light, considering her level of involvement.

We all hate her.

But to twist her involvement into a scenario that makes her present at Kelsey’s murder, requires one to ignore evidence, and play the game of “maybe, might have, could have, possibly did.”

Evidence shows she wasn’t in Colorado during the murder.

Evidence shows that PF lied about when he last saw Kelsey.

Footage shows PF entering Kelsey’s house after he last claimed to have seen her.

Cell phone data shows that the deception began after PF left the house.

Cell phone calls from PF to KK, back up her account that he called her after committing the murder himself.

I do think that KK is fully capable of committing murder.

She didn’t though.

BBMFF:

Agree, and to your bolded point: I'm genuinely baffled by the argument some are making that there is some type of (im)moral equivalency b/t KK's actions and PF's actions, i.e, she is just as bad or just as responsible as PF for KB's murder.

KK was unable to bring herself to swing the bat at Kelsey, for whatever reason.
Maybe she has some vestige of a conscience somewhere deep down in that depraved heart of hers, maybe she was just afraid of the consequences.

PF was able and willing where KK was not. He swung the bat...with gusto. Repeatedly.
PF blindfolded KB and beat her to death while she was helpless and unsuspecting.

KK cleaned up the mess PF made, which is to say, she wiped up KB's blood.
So, KK did/does have KB's blood on her hands in that sense.

But PF is the violent, remorseless monster who sprayed KB's blood all over her walls.

No amount of Wet Wipes can wash KB's blood off his hands.

Their actions r/t KB are not comparable.

All of the above: JMO.

 

[PrairieWind]

That might prove a bit tricky when the DA's office just sent them 3,300 pages of info to sift through that implicates him as the killer.

We have no idea what the 3,000 pages is. The DA is also required to turn over exculpatory evidence as well. But there will also be tons of pages of reports on DNA testing procedures, and interviews. It is amazing the amount of paperwork that is generated in cases like this.

 

[Hatfield]

For all his arrogance, I don’t think PF would return to the scene of the crime.

kK new the location of condo as she was there several times prior to 11/24.

Yeah you are probably right. He was probably too scared to go back.

 

[susiQ]

So creepy he came prepared. Had the bat somewhere handy. Had the sweater game thought out. Had a change of clothes?
Sure wish he had left baby with SF - was it his plan to murder KB with the baby in the house? Cruel.

jmo

I don't think he had time to take baby K to the ranchette, go to Walmart to get "whatever" and then back to KB's, kill her and get back for dinner at a respectable time. SF may have known after the fact what happened to KB, but I think PF was trying not to raise any flags the day he did it.

 

[NCTeacher]

I've been following along but have not posted. Something in the back of my mind has been nagging me. Sorry if this has already been addressed , I do skip along sometimes. However, has anyone noticed PF got the custody papers (police found at his home, that weren't filed) in August? This month seems to have been the start of a everything. KB visits the counselor for anxiety/depression. PF tells everyone it's rehab, for alcohol & drugs, which we to know is not true. PF also told the officer who contacted him, CB was known to meet with coworkers after work sometimes, yet PF also claimed her work schedule wasn't as stable as it had been since her rehab stay in August, how they'd grown apart, lived separate lives, and all that. Yet, we know she had her daughter when not working.

I guess what I'm getting at, is imo PF and KB weren't completely broken up. KB probably caught PF seeing KK in August, imo. Since this seems to be when everything started going downhill so fast. The same month PF gets papers he doesn't file for custody. PF and KB start having disagreements over custody. She sees a counselor for something bothering her, murder plots start hatching. All of this, Yet she's still comfortable enough to let him come in and visit? Blindfold her? The neighbor said she thought he lived there, because she always saw his truck. Doesn't sound to me like two people whom had been fighting everyday over custody agreements.

Imo KB found out PF was cheating, again. He had probably been caught before, and with this same diabolical woman KK. KB probably had enough imo, and instead of forgiveness, decided they should completely separate and he lost his mind.

I can't help but wonder, if the unnamed male dna may be from the coworker from work. And PF couldn't handle having done to him what, what he was doing to KB?

Sorry, something just seems to be missing to me.

I totally think KB was entertaining the prospect of moving on. I would not be the least surprised if the coworker with whom she was dining that week was a man.

I'm not so sure it was KB being with somebody else that was the problem, I think it was custody of the baby. Short of proving her to be unfit, with them not being married, she would get FULL custody (not just joint) if she wanted it. I bet she wanted full custody and maybe entertained the thought of moving. Who knows, but unwed mothers do not have the same obstacles mothers seeking divorce do. Before my husband and I married, if I wanted to move out of NC and take our oldest son with me, there'd be little he could do to stop me. Unwed mothers are presumed to be the custodial parent.