CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

Timeline. What time did his brother state that PF showed up at Ma F's? Compared to evidence of the time PF was at Kelsey's?

SF (2) did not specify when PF showed up. He indicated that he himself showed up around 2:30 p.m. and PF arrived later. Ambiguous response.

 

[Uninformant]

Yes, it is a little vague.
After all, PF did "show up" on Thanksgiving eventually.
He was the only defendant in the court room and by all accounts, KK was believed not to arrive in Colorado until the 24th so I don't know who else it would be.

I think the use of ‘show up’ is deliberate because they were working on establishing a timeline of his whereabouts. He wasn’t at his home the entire day. At some point he ‘showed up,’ likely with the baby, for the Thanksgiving festivities. Getting his mom to state what time he showed up, is getting her to admit he was not at home with her at the time they believe the murder occurred. It’s removing a potential alibi.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think it could someone else involved.
MOO

It was in reference to a defendant. There was only one defendant there.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

SF (2) did not specify when PF showed up. He indicated that he himself showed up around 2:30 p.m. and PF arrived later. Ambiguous response.

I see, thank you.
I wonder if will be subpenoed, (spelling)?

 

[Elley Mae]

Snip

She said she was in Idaho, and Frazee described the deed and enlisted her to come to Colorado to help him clean up the crime scene and create the appearance that Berreth had left town of her own will — partly by sending messages from the victim's phone.

"You don’t know how hard it was to go have Thanksgiving dinner after killing her," Frazee allegedly told Kenney, according to testimony by Colorado Bureau of Investigation Agent Greg Slater.

Patrick Frazee allegedly had blindfolded Kelsey Berreth, bludgeoned her with baseball bat

In addition to Kenney’s statements to investigators — including an account of Frazee burning Berreth’s remains on his Florissant property, as his mother looked on — investigators detailed cellphone records, possible blood found under floorboards in Berreth's townhome and surveillance video that showed Frazee at a Woodland Park gas station filling a can with gasoline that might have been used to incinerate her body. Kenney can be seen in the same footage, investigators said.

After the killing, Frazee reportedly stuffed Berreth's body in a black bag, put it in the back of his pickup and drove to celebrate Thanksgiving with family, including his estranged brother, a Colorado Springs police officer.

Eta

He told the officer that Berreth had tried to end things between them and suggested that the child’s custody could be at stake.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think we've only seen a fraction of what's has been,and what is to come. Coming back to the ummmmm package pick-up,'utility worker'/friend,Cripple Creek, I don't recall if it was stated if this 'utility worker'/ friend were male,or female,and Ma F seeing them burn Kelsey, Kk,and PF bumping uglies.
Yeah I think there are many more shoes to drop.
MOO

There may be, but it's unlikely there will be any more charges.
Maybe more shocking details, though. Imo

 

[Aydrianna523]

SF (2) did not specify when PF showed up. He indicated that he himself showed up around 2:30 p.m. and PF arrived later. Ambiguous response.

I see what you mean. I originally thought pf showed up soon after brother...

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

It was in reference to a defendant. There was only one defendant there.

Thank you for clarifying. This case is baffling with all the know who's, what,where,and when's before,and after the murder hiding in the shadows. Who not only did nothing to stop this,but apparently helped,offered help,and/or cheered the evil doers,smeared Kelsey's name and covered up.
MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Re BBM
I was pretty sure the evidence was showing KK was in Idaho until the testimony about burner phones and all the car swapping.

The burner phones and car swapping makes it so confusing that I have decided not to take anything for granted right now until we hear from the defense and maybe hear from some of the other witnesses that should be called to the stand.

Im still disappointed the judge did not make PF's mom get on the stand to take some questions. The judge's reason was faulty IMO because the judge said the Prosecution could get any answers from other witnesses but I dont think that is true. I think there are some things that maybe only she and PF knows, and PF is probably never going to take the stand.

There may be things that only PF and his mom know, in fact it's pretty likely.
Maybe the judge made the decision because the information the witnesses can provide is the only evidence they need. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I see what you mean. I originally thought pf showed up soon after brother...

Well, I suppose soon could be interpreted as a couple of hours later by some.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thank you for clarifying. This case is baffling with all the know who's, what,where,and when's before,and after the murder hiding in the shadows. Who not only did nothing to stop this,but apparently helped,offered help,and/or cheered the evil doers,smeared Kelsey's name and covered up.
MOO.

I know! Just one word could make a difference and change the meaning of things.
It can take pages of discussion to clear up one sentence.

 

[TrifleMars]

Has anyone seen Scott Reisch latest upload on YouTube with regards to this case?
He's saying that the DA potentially made a deal with the wrong one. All the info and details that KK gave about the murder does nothing more than places her there. What do you guys think?

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[Hatfield]

There may be things that only PF and his mom know, in fact it's pretty likely.
Maybe the judge made the decision because the information the witnesses can provide is the only evidence they need. Imo

Yeah and especially at the preliminary hearing they had more than enough. As the day wore on, i kept thinking they could stop anytime now as they had more than enough to hold PF over for trial.

Maybe the judge will change that decision for the trial and allow SF to be called to the stand. She may take the 5th on every question but I feel she needs to pick and choose through the questions because maybe she would answer some things.

 

[mrstfs]

Landfill search for Kelsey Berreth’s remains starts Tuesday

 

[oviedo]

Well here's the thing: Nowhere in the affidavit does it indicate an Idaho number that PF called pinged near KB's home on 11-22.

Does everyone think LE and the DA just stupidly decided to detail at the prelim, but then ignore, their own evidence that KK was at the house on 11-22? Why would they mention it at all if they weren't going to use it to show KK was there?

It's weird to me that so many here think they've cracked the case using information they think LE and the DA presented in the affidavit and at the prelim, but it just completely went over the actual professionals' heads.

I agree - IMO the defense would have jumped all over the alternate theory that KK was in CO and there was evidence somewhere to prove that - it may have given the Judge a pause as far as granting bail which would only help their client, PF? It really makes no sense IMO.

 

[justaparent]

The only way she can be charged with more, is if she breaks the terms of her deal.

If she lied to the prosecution, the deal can be thrown out.

Other than that, she will serve a punishment that does not match the seriousness of her crimes.

Her testimony will go a long way towards bringing down PF though.

Thank you. Sad, but if it seals his fate I can only hope she lives a life that suits her part in the crime. The woman beat the rap imo.

 

[oviedo]

I agree. It was the Berreths who discovered the blood and there is compelling evidence from security video. I have no doubt a Judge would have found probable cause without KK's testimony.

JMO

I respectfully disagree - there is a case in FL similar to this one - Michelle Parker - still no arrest after 7 years - the evidence they have isn't even enough to arrest him and it is quite a lot. KK sealed the deal, IMO. The devil you know as I posted upthread. With the baby in their possession (SF/PF) it was a gamble too great IMO. I don't like it, but I do like the result. Baby is safe with people who will surround her with love. KK will have no real life post trial IMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Is that Reisch guy in the video considered MSM?
He has a lot of the facts wrong. Right off the bat he says KK pleaded to accessory. It's full of misinformation. I would check to make sure he is legit.
It should be deleted if it is not MSM. I have never seen him used as a source. Imo

 

[Deleted member 158085]

She controlled him? Seriously? That horse beating man who stared with sinister rage at the media who dared to ask him a question, he was afraid of any woman?

This happens every time when the worst of it is done by the man, people always want to say the woman caused it. And even when the man confesses (like in the Sherin Mathews case), then it’s got to be that he’s protecting her. Yes, the women are often culpable for their part, but somehow they get the worst of the vitriol and blame.

 

[oviedo]

There may be things that only PF and his mom know, in fact it's pretty likely.
Maybe the judge made the decision because the information the witnesses can provide is the only evidence they need. Imo

Yes - perhaps the 5 names authorized to care for the baby dated December 12 indicates the potential players? As we know KB is not on the list. I am guessing neither is CB. My guesses include PF, SF, the sister, the sister's husband - so who is the 5th? KK???
source is the Affidavit - they found it in their search of SF property. Para 33.
ETA spelling and link - includes timeline and affidavit
Affidavit details events leading up to Berreth’s death