CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #42 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

This is another thing I am very confused about. From the tweets kindly posted here live when the hearing was on, I also recall reading these points about an Idaho number belonging to KK pinging in the vicinity, and also PF's car being spotted on multiple locations that day (which made me think could she have been driving with PF's car meanwhile, or do they refer to when PF left to the store and came back to KB's?). But on the other hand it was said KK was in Idaho on the 22nd. Which one of these is true?

It was PF’s phone pinging, as a result of contact with an Idaho number.

The implication was not that the phone from Idaho, was in Colorado.

PF was simply in contact with KK, and his phone location data was being discussed.

He was driving from Kelsey’s house, and his phone was heading towards Divide. Colorado.

 

[v0x]

Wow. Wow. Wow. KK was in Colorado on Nov 22.

moo

According to what evidence? Where’s the source of this information?

 

[MassGuy]

According to what evidence? Where’s the source of this information?

It’s a complete misinterpretation of Slater’s tesimony about the location of PF’s phone.

It does not put KK’s phone in Colorado, and is one big nothingburger.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

If that happens, then isn't there a chance PF could get off scot-free? Although, I know PF's defense will do that as it's the only option on the table to blame the mistress witness as a liar. I hope and pray KB gets justice...

I don't think KLK will have a rosy life after this. She'll never be able to practice nursing again and her ex-husband has a good reason to get sole custody. I really don't know how she will survive without either taking a minimum wage job (not all accept convicted felons) or finding a lover. Her reputation in her small town is gone. She can't exactly "pull a Nichole K" and move because of her two kids and the fact that she has to plead guilty to a felony (whereas NK was never charged with a crime).

Casey Anthony will probably have a better like than KLK because the felony will taint KLK's record everywhere she goes whereas, unfortunately, CA got off "scot-free" and was acquitted of all felony charges...

And FCA was given a place to live and hide out, and a job, through her attorneys.

The folks who are footing KKL's lawyer are probably tasting bile in their mouth these days.

 

[Steelslady]

You are intentionally ignoring the evidence presented at the hearing:

• At 4:37 pm Nov. 22, PF called an Idaho number, also in vicinity of KB’s home, it hit off a tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. He receive a return call from this number a few minutes later. It hit off the same tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. Shortly after, he received a call from that same number. Slater says it pinged off a tower in Divide.
• Referencing the Idaho number belonged to KK, state asks if PF contacting that number became important, knowing that was near the last ping of KB’s phone. Slater said yes, then they tried contacting her.
• CBI agent testified that at 4:24 p.m. on Nov. 22 PF’s phone called his mother. At 4:37 p.m. it called KK. Cell towers show he was southwest of KB‘s home.

Thank you! I knew I read it somewhere that a phone from Idaho was in the vicinity of KB's townhouse! I thought I was losing it! Krystal even admitted that he called her on Thanksgiving, to tell her she had a mess to clean up!

 

[mtnlites]

It’s a complete misinterpretation of Slater’s tesimony about the location of PF’s phone.

It does not put KK’s phone in Colorado, and is one big nothingburger.

Good, because that's the way I read and understood it. I was starting to get confused and thought I'd missed something.

 

[v0x]

And FCA was given a place to live and hide out, and a job, through her attorneys.

The folks who are footing KKL's lawyer are probably tasting bile in their mouth these days.

Who’s FCA?

 

[MyBelle]

You are misreading this. Slater is talking about PF’s phone, and his phone activity.

He is talking about the location of PF’s phone pings.

He is driving with Kelsey’s phone and his phone, from Kelsey’s house (after killing her).

When she calls him back from HER Idaho number, his phone pings off a tower in Divide.

The bolded position pertains to a completely different part of his testimony, when the link is made between KK’s phone, and Kelsey’s phone, as she is driving back from Colorado, to Idaho.

No, I'm not misreading it. You are ignoring the date. It was an Idaho phone number that pinged off Woodland Park and then Divide, CO. on Nov. 22 and LE determined it was a burner phone belonging to KK. You are also conveniently forgetting the testimony about KK lying to the FBI and they knew it.

• At 4:37 pm Nov. 22, PF called an Idaho number, also in vicinity of KB’s home, it hit off a tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. He receive a return call from this number a few minutes later. It hit off the same tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. Shortly after, he received a call from that same number. Slater says it pinged off a tower in Divide.
• Referencing the Idaho number belonged to KK, state asks if PF contacting that number became important, knowing that was near the last ping of KB’s phone. Slater said yes, then they tried contacting her.
• CBI agent testified that at 4:24 p.m. on Nov. 22 PF’s phone called his mother. At 4:37 p.m. it called KK. Cell towers show he was southwest of KB‘s home.

 

[chi123]

See page one. A member here, Tippy, actually took notes.

Tippys notes are fantastic overall and very helpful for anyone wanting a quick rundown of the case but I think a mod should edit that part to clarify that Slater was talking specifically about PFs phone, before this takes on a life of its own.

 

[crhedBngr]

I don't know why but I just have a feeling there are still bombshells to come. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. Anyone else?

Yeah. Count me in. I'm wondering what role his dump buddies played in all of this.

 

[MassGuy]

No, I'm not misreading it. You are ignoring the date. It was an Idaho phone number that pinged off Woodland Park and then Divide, CO. on Nov. 22 and LE determined it was a burner phone belonging to KK. You are also conveniently forgetting the testimony about KK lying to the FBI and they knew it.

• At 4:37 pm Nov. 22, PF called an Idaho number, also in vicinity of KB’s home, it hit off a tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. He receive a return call from this number a few minutes later. It hit off the same tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. Shortly after, he received a call from that same number. Slater says it pinged off a tower in Divide.
• Referencing the Idaho number belonged to KK, state asks if PF contacting that number became important, knowing that was near the last ping of KB’s phone. Slater said yes, then they tried contacting her.
• CBI agent testified that at 4:24 p.m. on Nov. 22 PF’s phone called his mother. At 4:37 p.m. it called KK. Cell towers show he was southwest of KB‘s home.

The context was PF’s phone location after he left Kelsey’s house.

He was in contact with KK’s burner phone, which had an Idaho number.

He was not saying that KK was in Colorado.

In later testimony, Slayer also discussed how Kelsey’s phone was with his:

“Slater says it’s his understanding that Kelsey’s phone was in close proximity to Frazee’s phone. They were moving west from Woodland Park toward Divide, then later that night toward Florissant & Cripple Creek. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney”

 

[MyBelle]

I see you’ve edited your original post. I’m not ignoring evidence presented at the hearing, I’m posting evidence reported, and presented at the hearing. Again, please link to your source of information.

I edited what, how? I've linked to the source of information. Multiple times: Page one, post 5 from Tippy. If you have a source that refutes it, please notify a mod and post a link.

 

[MassGuy]

Let’s just think about this using common sense.

If prosecution witness Slater were to drop the bombshell that KK was in Colorado on the 22nd, the defense would have jumped all over it.

Maybe he said it that way, maybe it was lost in translation, but the context was the location of PF, and his and Kelsey’s phones, after he left the house on the 22nd (after murdering Kelsey).

He contacted KK’s Idaho number, and his route was being tracked.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Who’s FCA?

Former inmate Casey Anthony

 

[katydid23]

We have a pretty solid timeline.

He lies to the police about when he last saw her.

He returns to her house, ultimately spending a couple hours.

He leaves, and her cell phone starts doing all sorts of bizarre things over a 3 day period.

I’m more than confident that Kelsey was killed within a few hours of leaving Safeway.

Patrick lied for a reason, and phone and surveillance evidence paint a grim picture.

No body. No problem.

I agree. If KB was still alive after he came to 'pick up the baby' --two things would have happened, that didnt happen.

1---some of her friends and/or family would have spoke to her or communicated in some way on Thanksgiving afternoon or evening. Especially if she was all alone.

2----She would have called PF to get the baby back to her, imo. This was her precious vacation time. He and his mom had the baby whenever she worked, which was all week. No way she is going to give him the baby on her day off and then sit alone, communicating with no one.

So I do not believe she was alive and well after their alleged 'custody exchange.'

 

[v0x]

I edited what, how? I've linked to the source of information. Multiple times: Page one, post 5 from Tippy. If you have a source that refutes it, please notify a mod and post a link.

Perhaps your link wasn’t directed at me. Again, see the attached reporting and screenshot of the affidavit

 

[MyBelle]

Wow. Wow. Wow. Is that poor semantics or is this saying the Idaho number was a phone located SW of KB's townhome?

I think it says the phone call pinged on a tower SW of KB's townhome because it originated there.

Here's Tippy's notes about the testimony about Nov. 22:
November 22, 2018 - Thursday
(Thanksgiving)

• KB last seen on video surveillance shopping in Safeway (noon hour)
• KB exchanged daughter with PF (fiancé)
• KK learned PF committed homicide
• KB was last seen alive on Nov. 22.
• CB says she talked to KB on the phone for about 5 minutes on Nov. 22. During CB and KB’s conversation KB had asked for a bread recipe because her and PF had plans to go out with Baby K for Thanksgiving dinner, but she wanted to a dip recipe from CB if something happened. Slater says, per CB, KB didn’t talk about relationship problems.
• CB told Slater there was another conversation at 9:17 a.m. with Kelsey. Slater says that conversation was about Christmas plans. Nothing about visiting family in Washington state or Idaho though.
• CB told Slater on the evening of Nov. 22, CB says she received texts from KB’s phone that she got her gun back & felt safe now with PF.
• KB was last seen on the Safeway surveillance video about 12:27 p.m. KB’s purchased items for dip and flowers at Safeway. KB was next seen in her car on surveillance video from Williams Bros Furniture, at 12:37 approaching her townhome.
• PF was seen on Walmart & Williams Furniture Store surveillance, and on Arlo camera by KB’s neighbor caught KB, baby K and PF at KB’s door at 1:34 p.m.
• Adams: another surveillance video showing PF at KB’s residence at 3:36 p.m.
• Slater said KK told him PF contacted her, and she knew that he had killed KB.
• Courtroom testimony from CBI agent: KK says PF told her that he covered KB’s eyes with a sweater for a guessing game to guess candle scents. PF used a bat to assault KB, beating her and kill her.
• Slater: KK says PF put KB in a black tote and set that on the ground near the green Toyota before putting it in the back of his truck & transporting her remains to Nash Ranch in Fremont County, CO. PF placed the black tote that KB’s body was in on top of haystacks in a barn at Nash Ranch.
• During the crime, KK told Slater the couple’s 1-year-old daughter was in a room nearby, according to his testimony.
• The murder, according to KK (through PF), happened in a back office/second bedroom.
• According to testimony PF left the murder scene and then went to have Thanksgiving dinner with his family. Later, he allegedly returned to collect KB’s body and burned it.
• PF went to Thanksgiving dinner with his family that same night, according to Slater’s testimony.
• Slater says PF put KB’s body in black bag in truck — and drove to celebrate Thanksgiving with family.
• Phone records show 12:30 both PF and KB’s phones show location at KB’s apartment. Both phones were traveling together later that day. Later that evening phone towers showed both phones together again
• Then later that evening, Adams says the phones were together and pinged west of Cripple Creek. Adams says PF called KK and his mother SF on Nov. 22.
• Agents found PF called his mother on Nov. 22 around 4:24 p.m. They determined his phone pinged off a tower near KBs townhome, heading west from there.
• Adams wrote search warrants for both KB and PF’s phones to Verizon. He says there were a few phone calls between the phones on Nov. 22. Adams says cell tower data showed they were in the vicinity of KB’s townhome. Later that day, they pinged near Divide.
• Phone records show KB’s phone and PF’s phone were together the entire day on Nov 22. Records show both phones move west, go off the grid, come back on at a later time. The phones are shown heading toward Cripple Creek. They go dark once again.
• Slater says it’s his understanding that KB’s phone was in close proximity to PF’s phone. They were moving west from Woodland Park toward Divide, then later that night toward Florissant & Cripple Creek.
• At 4:37 pm Nov. 22, PF called an Idaho number, also in vicinity of KB’s home, it hit off a tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. He receive a return call from this number a few minutes later. It hit off the same tower, southwest of KB’s townhome. Shortly after, he received a call from that same number. Slater says it pinged off a tower in Divide.
• Referencing the Idaho number belonged to KK, state asks if PF contacting that number became important, knowing that was near the last ping of KB’s phone. Slater said yes, then they tried contacting her.
• CBI agent testified that at 4:24 p.m. on Nov. 22 PF’s phone called his mother. At 4:37 p.m. it called KK. Cell towers show he was southwest of KB‘s home.
• Adams says he also recovered video of PF at the drive through of Ent Credit Union. He says he couldn’t see the baby in the truck, but did see a baby carrier.
• Two more exhibits from the state. First is a still of PF on the surveillance at the bank showing him. Second shows the back of his truck, with a black tote in it. He says they learned that tote played a big role in what happened to KB
• Adams says he talked to PF’s brother, a Colorado Springs police officer as part of the investigation. Sean (unsure of spelling) says he saw PF on Nov. 22 & didn’t describe anything as suspicious that day. It doesn’t say exactly when PF arrived for Thanksgiving. Sean says he got there around 2:30 p.m., and that PF arrived a little later. He had baby K with him. Defense says PF’s brother would be aware of things out of the ordinary. since he is a CO Springs police officer. Prosecution says Sean and Patrick have estranged relationship.
• KK spoke with PF at 4:30 p.m. PF texted KK asking for her to call him. PF eventually called KK, saying, she had to get to CO because she had a mess to clean up. KK interpreted that as KB was dead.
• KK said she couldn’t come out right away, realizing what happened. Slater says PF said, “Just f***ing talk.” He made it clear to KK that she needed to bring things with her to “clean up”.
• Slater says PF told KK,“You don’t know how hard it was to have Thanksgiving dinner after killing her. “

 

[PommyMommy]

Ashley Franco‏ @AshleyKKTV
Phone records show #KelseyBerreth phone and #PatrickFrazee phone were together the entire day on Nov 22. Records show both phones move west, go off the grid, come back on at a later time. The phones are shown heading toward Cripple Creek. They go dark once again. @KKTV11News

 

[Artis]

Who is this defendant that showed up on 11/22 Thanksgiving Day? Who who who?

From Sam Kraemer courtroom Tweets “May says she knows about a defendant showing up to her house on Thanksgiving. I’m assuming that’s Kenney, since Patrick lives with her.” @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

There only two defendants and she said Thanksgiving??? Not the day after or the weekend after but THANKSGIVING (apparently). As in Thursday, the 22nd. While I saw that earlier, I'm so tired that just sank in!

Thanksgiving.

 

[MyBelle]

Perhaps your link wasn’t directed at me. Again, see the attached reporting and screenshot of the affidavit

Again, see Tippy's notes about the actual testimony at the hearing. Sam is a reporter and did not testify at the hearing.