CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

[MemPat]

I absolutely agree that they are both disgusting human beings.

Here’s the thing though, remove KK from the situation, Kelsey is likely still dead.

Remove PF from this, and Kelsey is absolutely alive.

This plot seems to have its first known origins in August, as custody documents were found at the Frazee residence.

At some point, it appears that PF realized that he wasn’t likely to succeed with whatever his ultimate goal was.

Hence the murder plot.

So both of them are culpable, but PF is the most culpable.

He drove this plot; he swung the bat.

He ended her life.

Another excellent synopsis of the plot, MG, but it can be boiled down to your almost final sentence:

He swung the bat.

We can discuss this for the next two years but:

He swung the bat.

 

[MemPat]

"Solicitation" is a charge that goes against the solicitor -- PF, and not against person solicited. The argument of downplaying KK involvement doesn't follow for that charge.

However, if PF/KK were charged as co-conspirators, I have no doubt that KK's would have flipped on PF (like she already has) and the result the same -- KK charged lesser than deserved because prosecutor needs her testimony to secure PF's first degree murder conviction.

Also, to my knowledge, the DA has not dropped the robbery charge against PF which is felony murder, and makes PF eligible for death penalty.

MOO

I thought there was no death penalty in Colorado.

 

[k-mac]

It will be interesting to see what the defense dredges up to attack KK’s story. They will be in a pickle to do so without implicating their client. I have no doubt it will be a he did it she did it battle- and more people will be pulled in to the story that unfolds.

its gunna be edge of your seat stuff!
and sadly we are going to have to all come to terms with hoping kk's story sticks with no surprises.

 

[Seattle1]

It really bothers me we have so much lacking surveillance camera proof of those that went in and out over the few days.

No way! I think prosecutor is very lucky to have any surveillance at all considering KB did not have a system, and the neighbor with an existing camera was reportedly using a free service only.

It's a downright miracle they obtained the crucial piece that proves PF lied to investigators, and places him inside KB's townhome during the time frame the murder allegedly committed.

 

[LietKynes]

I thought there was no death penalty in Colorado.

Actually I think there is. But it's been more than two decades since it was carried out. Imo.
LWOP would be a better choice for the prosecution, since it would mean no parole and no getting out, ever.
PF would leave in a pine box , and many people wouldn't have an issue with that scenario.

 

[MassGuy]

I thought there was no death penalty in Colorado.

There is.

There’s a grand total of 3 people on death row, and the last execution was 22 years ago.

They’ll probably end up getting rid of it soon, and commuting those death sentences to LWOP.

If you are sentenced to death there, you’re never going to be executed.

 

[Steelslady]

Another excellent synopsis of the plot, MG, but it can be boiled down to your almost final sentence:

He swung the bat.

We can discuss this for the next two years but:

He swung the bat.

Absolutely! No one is even arguing that- he is a sick and cruel monster for what he did to Kelsey. What a God awful brutal death he put that poor woman through. He deserves everything that's coming to him and more. Believe me, I do not minimize what this sick jerk did- he was obviously planning her murder since at least September, that we are aware of. He wanted Kelsey gone, and he was relentless about this happening, because after Krystal failed to do what he wanted her to do, he did it himself. As @MassGuy mentioned before- it was done in a rage. In my opinion, there was a lot of hate, anger, and rage that came out of him, and poor Kelsey was the victim of this- this anger, hate and rage probably has been a build up for years, in my opinion. There were other humane ways, if you will, to get rid of her- he could have used a gun instead to the back of her head, for instance, where it would have been instant. I don't even think I want to know how long it took before Kelsey lost consciousness and died- how many times this brute whacked her before she succumbed to her injuries. It literally makes my blood boil, and it makes me sick, just thinking about it. If anyone deserves the death penalty, it's him.

 

[Reachingfornettles]

I have a lot of questions. Why is she living with her ranching, rodeo, cattle, horse and Australian Shepard breeding ‘ex’ husband since divorcing in 2016? How many of those trips to Colorado also involved ranch animal business between them- was it just KK involved in the business transactions with PF or was her ex also acquainted more than he lets on. Who’s male DNA was in KB’s sink? Why does PF say he’s being railroaded. Obviously KK is throwing him under the bus, but is there more to the story?

I was wondering about it possibly being the friend of PF that stopped by KBs to pick up a package, and also unsure if that is the same package KBs mother wanted to know made it to KBs when she a asked PF.

 

[Seattle1]

I thought there was no death penalty in Colorado.

Legislators are working on bill to abolish death penalty but it hasn't happened yet. Chris Watts plead guilty last November to murder of his family in exchange to not face the death penalty.

 

[jewelsmac]

The funny thing is many seem so quick to jump on the prosecutors in this case.

All we know is the limited amount of information the The State chose to disclose in a preliminary hearing. I believe they have much more evidence and it will all be laid out at trial. But trying to determine weather there is reasonable doubt to find PF not guilty based solely on the information we have can't be done in a rational manner. The State proved that what they showed was enough to proceed with the case, and thats all they needed to do IMO.

And the agencies involved accomplished all this in just 3 months. That’s some seriously solid work.

 

[Dave F.]

He made it clear he is divorced and moved on?? How so. His actions speak louder than his words. For crying out loud, still share a house and driving her Dec 4 to town because she needed a new cellphone? Just because KK says she told him she lost it doesn’t make it true that that was the shared knowledge. Believe what you must, but I have some reservations about him.

The reporters went to her former home.........HIS current home; and interviewed HIM. They didn't interview her because she wasn't there, probably because she doesn't live there. She lives close by, but not there anymore. It's his house now.
Look at the price of two separate Verizon accounts vs. two separate phones on the same account. Huge savings. Gigantic savings. Add being cheap to her crimes, if you want. It's optional. IMO

 

[acutename]

It’s just that many believe that KK is a diabolical liar telling a big manufactured story.

did she make up the blood evidence?
did she make up the burnt plastic tote evidence?
did she make up the Nash barn hay stain?

every witness to a crime is not a saint

 

[Aydrianna523]

In this case I don't see why the DA would ever be blamed. They just use whatever evidence they can get.
It is very common to use plea deals (90%+) in the States. I don't think that will change because jurors like to have witnesses and they (jurors) expect a whole lot. They want motive, and they want to know exactly how everything was done.....too much in my opinion (i.e., CAnthonty).

 

[jewelsmac]

No way! I think prosecutor is very lucky to have any surveillance at all considering KB did not have a system, and the neighbor with an existing camera was reportedly using a free service only.

It's a downright miracle they obtained the crucial piece that proves PF lied to investigators, and places him inside KB's townhome during the time frame the murder allegedly committed.

I agree, it was an absolute gift.

 

[mtnlites]

It’s just that many believe that KK is a diabolical liar telling a big manufactured story.

When I say that I (mostly) believe her version of events, I'm not saying it's because I believe HER, but because I trust that LE had enough physical and circumstantial evidence to substantiate her claims at least well enough to move forward with the case as they've done.

 

[Dave F.]

Actually I think there is. But it's been more than two decades since it was carried out. Imo.
LWOP would be a better choice for the prosecution, since it would mean no parole and no getting out, ever.
PF would leave in a pine box , and many people wouldn't have an issue with that scenario.

It was reinstated in the 2016 legislature. IMO

 

[MemPat]

Actually I think there is. But it's been more than two decades since it was carried out. Imo.
LWOP would be a better choice for the prosecution, since it would mean no parole and no getting out, ever.
PF would leave in a pine box , and many people wouldn't have an issue with that scenario.

I like LWOP too as it doesn't cost the taxpayers a fortune in appeals.

 

[MyBelle]

Especially in view of the fact that all the data we currently have point to him being the murderer.

All the data we currently have point to KK being a co-conspirator. There is good reason why the driver of a get-away car is held to the same level of accountability as a bank robber.

JMO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Sometimes people believe what they want to believe. Just sayin'.

If she believed him why didn't she report it. It's her duty as a nurse. So I'm going with she knew it was BS,and just didn't care. She had her on the 'prize' which was PF. UGHHHHH. So she willingly went along with their plan.
MOO

 

[Aydrianna523]

Absolutely! No one is even arguing that- he is a sick and cruel monster for what he did to Kelsey. What a God awful brutal death he put that poor woman through. He deserves everything that's coming to him and more. Believe me, I do not minimize what this sick jerk did- he was obviously planning her murder since at least September, that we are aware of. He wanted Kelsey gone, and he was relentless about this happening, because after Krystal failed to do what he wanted her to do, he did it himself. As @MassGuy mentioned before- it was done in a rage. In my opinion, there was a lot of hate, anger, and rage that came out of him, and poor Kelsey was the victim of this- this anger, hate and rage probably has been a build up for years, in my opinion. There were other humane ways, if you will, to get rid of her- he could have used a gun instead to the back of her head, for instance, where it would have been instant. I don't even think I want to know how long it took before Kelsey lost consciousness and died- how many times this brute whacked her before she succumbed to her injuries. It literally makes my blood boil, and it makes me sick, just thinking about it. If anyone deserves the death penalty, it's him.

Eww! But it's part of what the DA would want to know.