CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

[jewelsmac]

Thank you. I updated the following bullets on the Timeline.

April 29, 2016

• KK filed for divorce from CL

June 27, 2016

• Idaho Court Records - KK/CL final Judgement and Decree occurred on June 27, 2016

Summer of 2018

• Arrest Affidavit - KK and CL divorced (married for 8 years and still share a home in Idaho together raising their 2 children) - (Idaho court records - KK/CL final Judgement and Decree occurred on June 27, 2016)

So, divorced for a couple of years, or filed for divorce a couple of years ago, and they still live together? um, ok

 

[Artis]

Just an observation and some speculation on SF's refusal
to testify:

In reading articles on violent murderers it's not unusual for the
mothers to be in denial for years, and attempt to cover up the
misdeeds of the perp son.
Passive, denying mothers have most likely covered for bad behaviors of son for years, even as he was growing up.
Often these sons started out being mean and cruel to animals,
had great interest in ARSON, and were anti-social according to
studies by FBI profilers.

IMO, MaF probably covered up bad behavior of PF for years.
This can also cause estrangement from other siblings because
this son gets away with all kinds of problems he creates.

I don't believe this is the first time PF committed a cruel, violent
act. Maybe the first time he was caught. MaF is still covering
for him as she has his whole life.

PF not only viciously beat his victim but then went on to defile
her body with ARSON. He wanted to totally eleminate her
from his earth. Similar to the criminal that killed his mother,
who he hated, then cut out her tongue and vocal chords and
stuffed them down the garbage disposal. All, because he didn't
ever want to hear his mother's voice again. Her voice angered
him, he said.
PF's rage against his victim tells me he totally wanted to eliminate her. Out of his life completely. It's unsurprising he also used
arson to accomplish this.
I'd like to see a forensic psychiatrist's take on him, explain his
childhood history and the likelihood of whether or not he would have killed again. KK may be correct. He probably has done
something similar previously, maybe to animals. moo.

Great post. When people ask "why", this where the answers are found. This and some brain scans.

 

[jewelsmac]

All of CW's mail (including fan mail) was scanned and released with all the legal documents. Anybody who looked at the documents saw the crazy letters and pictures that were sent to him.

aw hell no... pass

 

[LietKynes]

It is a possibility. It would take LE a good 20 minutes to get to the ranchette from Divide, which I would think is where the FBI and SD would have gathered. LE had already cut the lock and were driving up the drive as PF and SF were heading out. Someone from LE in Divide could have called that morning and told PF that LE was on the way. PF is shuffling around in some different kind of footwear, if they only had the 20 minute heads up, they would have had little time to get ready to head out. If PF's brother called I would think he would have called the night before. All is jmo.

Good post.
Still curious as to where mommy and PF were headed.
Don't tell me SF knew nothing. It looked as if she was helping PF to flee.
MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

And it splashed all over the internet as was done in the Chris Watts case

Well, I'm going to have to say good to that.

Poor SW and those little babies deserve more respect than that. IMO

 

[susiQ]

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[PommyMommy]

Taken from Tippy's Timeline Part 2
March 4, 2019 - Monday

• PF - Legal Argument Hearing - 8:30 am

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330

Will we be getting tweets on this hopefully? At least we'll get an idea of what the defense wants to focus on.

I think we'll have tweets but I doubt we're going to learn the defense's trial strategy. Sure would love to, though!

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing
State now bringing up its motion for consumptive testing (first brought back on Dec. 31). Defense says it’s not ready to address that. Judge set that for a separate legal argument hearing on March 4 at 8:30 a.m.

 

[SandyQLS]

... RSBM for focus...

It's mentioned that at some point the two of them had to go back to KB's to pick up PF's truck, which leads me to the question, did they pick up KB in the tote at Nash Ranch in MG's VW?? Why would PF's truck be at KB's otherwise? All this new info leads to more questions.

I caught that same statement and have the same question about when was PF's truck ever left at KB's? Allegedly, he drove away on 11/22 at about 4:30pm with his phone and KB's phone pinging in tandem going west. On 11/24, KK and PF are on video at the Florissant Conoco gas station before heading down to Nash Ranch to retrieve the tote on the haystack. When and Why would PF ever leave his truck at KB's?

 

[Aydrianna523]

So, divorced for a couple of years, or filed for divorce a couple of years ago, and they still live together? um, ok

Wonder why?

 

[SandyQLS]

I think they would like to find that tooth that KK said she threw away.

JMO KK needs to turn that tooth over to LE immediately to prove her stories or KK may lose her deal and find herself arrested.

 

[The Farm]

So, divorced for a couple of years, or filed for divorce a couple of years ago, and they still live together? um, ok

It happens for financial reasons mostly I think, I remember reading something on just this somewhere, divorced people continuing to live together..
I worked with a woman who was divorced and she lived with her ex. And she said financially neither one could or wanted to struggle like that.
Personally don't know how they do it but they do, you are still both under the same roof except a piece of paper has said your relationship has changed.

 

[Steelslady]

Great post. When people ask "why", this where the answers are found. This and some brain scans.

Yeah, I have to admit, I really thought long and hard about this the past couple of nights. Really did my soul searching after my son and I watched a game together. I think of how much I love and trust him with all of my heart, that deep in my heart, he would never do such a thing. Maybe SF feels the same way. Maybe she really is in denial and in pain herself. She not only lost a son now, but her granddaughter as well.

How would the rest of us mothers on here feel about this, if our sons were arrested for murder? Before, I was kind of spit crazy angry at her. Then the other night and last night, I just thought- could I ever believe my own son could do this? The one who I carried for 9 months, had fun raising him, my Boston sports buddy? He's not much younger than Patrick. I look at him and I just say, no way, I just couldn't believe he could do such a thing. I would need evidence. Real evidence. And that would do me in, once I realized he was truly guilty.

I guess what I am trying to say is, perhaps we have misjudged her. She could very well be suffering like hell. The anguish of a son in jail and your granddaughter taken away- I think her granddaughter was probably what kept her going every day.

For now, I'm going to back off of her, until we know for a fact that she might have helped cover up or had any hand in this. Just because it appears that she didn't like Kelsey, doesn't mean that she knew ahead of time his plans to kill her, nor does it mean she had anything to do with it before, during, and after. Patrick could have had her fooled, too. There's no evidence to suggest that this woman would approve of him or anyone killing Kelsey.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Am I allowed to reference a FB video of DWAP interviewing a "pony client" of PF's? The ferrier client states on that interview that PF and KB had broken up before the birth of the baby due to KB's objection to PF's "lifestyle." Then KB had a baby with a paternity test following and they've basically been co-parenting without a relationship. If this is not legal to post, please delete. The interview is fascinating in that the woman being interviewed keeps stating that "PF could've done it so many better ways" instead of "PF shouldn't have done it all."

For me, it's a good reminder that you don't really know a person even if you think you do.
jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

ADMIN NOTE landing at random:

One youtube video by Woodland Underground was approved because it contained an interview with the prosecutor and the clip was MSM (ABC, Chris Sandell).

At this time, no other content by the WU has been approved.

@yawningreyhound, It is best to ask a mod if you are in doubt about what you are allowed to post. AFAIK, WPU is not allowed.
MOO

 

[LietKynes]

Regardless of whether or not this woman's information is accurate, it worries me because she is a local and could potentially be on the jury. She seems to be completely ignoring the facts that we already do have - she just keeps coming back to "it doesn't make sense that he would do it that way". She's already half-convinced herself that it must be KK, the evil outsider woman.

She's right, of course, that's one of the big mysteries. If PF didn't want to put hands on KB and was so frustrated he didn't care if he made a mess, then it would have made more sense to just shoot KB. I doubt that it would have been any messier, and he was planning on completely destroying her body so no one would know exactly how she died anyway.

Emphasis mine

Agreed.
As if PF's friends or acquaintances think it was KK or some random outsider.
Because, (in their estimation) PF would never commit such an atrocity....
But I believe LE have their man.

 

[oviedo]

Looks like that was a pretty quick uncontested divorce if those times are correct.

And with children? I'm shocked they were able to get all of the pleadings filed, but maybe no financial affidavits required in ID? They must have agreed on every point if this is true- I have never seen a Final Judgment issued that fast - IMO.

 

[oviedo]

Events and Hearings

• 04/29/2016 New Case - Divorce (With Minor Children)
  
  
• 04/29/2016 Summons Issued
  
  
• 04/29/2016 Petition
  
  Comment
  for Divorce
  
  
• 04/29/2016 Summons
  
  
  
• 05/02/2016 Joint Temporary Preliminary Order
  
  
• 05/02/2016 Order to Attend Parenting Classes
  
  Comment
  June 1, 6, 8, 2016
  
  
• 06/10/2016 Certificate of Completion Parenting Class
  
  Comment
  Chad Lee
  
  
• 06/10/2016 Certificate of Completion Parenting Class
  
  Comment
  Kristy Lee
  
  
• 06/21/2016 Stipulation
  
  Comment
  for Entry of Final Judgment and Decree of Divorce
  
  
• 06/27/2016 Decree of Divorce
  
  
• Taken from this iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts

Looks like the divorce was filed 4/29/16 and finalized 6/27/16

wow - not even any discovery exchanged. Hmm - and she was possibly seeing PF at this time according to the Affidavit? Why do people divorce and stay together? Was there a financial motivation for being divorced? I find this odd. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

I questioned this the other day, about 1000 posts ago.
Early reports all said June 2016.
I was confused.
Thanks for getting to the bottom of this.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...lication and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf

Page 6 of 10

Paragraph 45
And
Paragraph 48

 

[SandyQLS]

And that's exactly why we KNOW she had no intention of leaving evidence behind. She could have left the tooth in the vent and directed police to that instead of the blood she "forgot" to clean up. That tooth would have corroborated the manner of death for certain. She didn't leave it behind because she was hoping they wouldn't get caught and a tooth that belonged to Kelsey would definitely scream "foul play" immediately and NOT, "we broke up and she was depressed and was heading to Soap Lake, WA to visit granny," which is the narrative KK was helping PF spin with the phone texts.

MOO, but this case is going to come down to who the best liar is. They planned this together, got caught and are about to throw each other under the bus. Well, KK has already done her part PF's turn next. Which lies will hold up to evidence and which will not?

ed. sentence

Very good post, SusiQ.

I am not convinced there was a tooth, and with a root. I notice KK points out the root because she knows that's where the pulp and blood vessels are for DNA. In a baseball bat attack, how does a whole tooth become dislodged and end up in a vent? Just me, I would expect broken off teeth. I have so many doubts about everything KK says, I wonder if she was fishing for a bullet casing and there was no tooth. MOO IMO JMO

 

[susiQ]

Yeah, I have to admit, I really thought long and hard about this the past couple of nights. Really did my soul searching after my son and I watched a game together. I think of how much I love and trust him with all of my heart, that deep in my heart, he would never do such a thing. Maybe SF feels the same way. Maybe she really is in denial and in pain herself. She not only lost a son now, but her granddaughter as well.

How would the rest of us mothers on here feel about this, if our sons were arrested for murder? Before, I was kind of spit crazy angry at her. Then the other night and last night, I just thought- could I ever believe my own son could do this? The one who I carried for 9 months, had fun raising him, my Boston sports buddy? He's not much younger than Patrick. I look at him and I just say, no way, I just couldn't believe he could do such a thing. I would need evidence. Real evidence. And that would do me in, once I realized he was truly guilty.

I guess what I am trying to say is, perhaps we have misjudged her. She could very well be suffering like hell. The anguish of a son in jail and your granddaughter taken away- I think her granddaughter was probably what kept her going every day.

For now, I'm going to back off of her, until we know for a fact that she might have helped cover up or had any hand in this. Just because it appears that she didn't like Kelsey, doesn't mean that she knew ahead of time his plans to kill her, nor does it mean she had anything to do with it before, during, and after. Patrick could have had her fooled, too. There's no evidence to suggest that this woman would approve of him or anyone killing Kelsey.

I'm a bit skeptical of her after the prelim because she exercised her right to remain silent. If she had not lied about something, what was there to fear? Of course, it was her right to do so. Will be interesting to see how that plays out in a trial if the DA decides to put her on the stand.

I do see your point though as it's hard to imagine as a mother that your child did something so horrific, not even in a moment of anger but deliberated and turned it into a sadistic "game" of smelling candle scents. I'm sure he's still telling Ma F he didn't do it, KK did. I know he's a killer, I'm just not sure about KK's tale of how everything came about. I need to see that evidence to be convinced. MOO