CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

KK didn't speak to LE until she had an attorney. No way would he allow a lie detector. All it takes is one juror to have doubts.

JMO

Her attorney might, if the deal was contingent upon her taking and passing one.

She gave them a story; they had to verify it.

Plenty of plea deals require a defendant to pass a polygraph after they provide an account to law enforcement.

When a plea deal isn’t in the offing, no defense attorney would allow his client to take a polygraph.

This was different.

 

[Herat]

Getting back to the drugs/poison for coffee.
The drugs used are likely schedule one. Meaning highly regulated.
She can't as a nurse just get any drugs,any time legally.
So she either
A. Stole them from pharmacy,or wherever they are kept.
B. slipped patients fake pills she swapped for ambien, or whatever drug she chose.
C. She forged Dr.s signature.
All of the above I believe are federal crimes. I could be wrong.
So even she got a sweetheart deal for Kelsey's murder which sucks, does not mean she can't get nailed for the above forementioned.
Remember they couldn't get Capone for murder,or raqeteering, they got him on tax invasion,and put him away for a long time.
MOO

Ambien isn't a drug that would typically be in the drug dispensing area of a pre-op suite.

It's a pill and you don't give pre-op patients oral meds.

I think it's more likely it was her own Rx. And it would be a really stupid drug to attempt to murder someone with. You'd need numerous capsules.

 

[dkryder]

Left side of the picture, the rectangular white box above the black satellite dish

i think that is the receiver unit for the dish. it picks up the signal that bounces off the dish and sends it via cable to the box inside.

 

[Artis]

Thanks for this. The timing had been ticking around in the back of my mind as a huh? Another KK lie.

As she's driving in the dark, it would be difficult to capture her on traffic cameras, but I'll bet LE has video footage of the car and her in multiple gas stations and SonicBurger's along the way.

I'm thinking she might well have also been on some sort of stimulants. Lots of anxiety and excitement on the 12 hour drive, the 4 hour clean up, then hanging with PF to go to Nash ranch & SF's property at the burn site.

And she would have stayed the night at Chez SF.....

(Which leads to another question LE would want SF to answer, but that's for another topic, after PF's trial, methinks)

Anyone have the list of KK's ping timeline? I know the last ping of Kelsey's phone (Gooding, ID) was around 5PM (Sunday) but there were other pings in Salt Lake City and somewhere in northern Colorado. That should clarify if KK even slept or drove straight back from the burn to Idaho.

 

[Artis]

KK should have warned KB or notified LE, but in that one matter, I hold the other people who knew and said nothing even more responsible. KK was afraid to tell - if not genuine fear of PF harming her kids, then fear of getting exposed and caught.

The people she told before KB's murder have absolutely no excuse for not speaking up. PF didn't know them, they had nothing to fear from him personally and nothing to fear from the facts coming out because they had done nothing wrong.

Yet none of them said anything. It disgusts me, particularly because I think they were all doing what Mrs. R was obviously doing - keeping quiet but watching the news to see the trainwreck unfold. How sick is that.

I listened to an interview this morning, non-MSM, so I won't cite it here. It did raise issues that concern me and that the prosecutor will have to deal with. Keep in mind, what this person said was basically what is being said here plus hometown loyalty.

It only takes one juror who can't get over these points: it doesn't make sense, why would he do it, he's a big strong guy, there's no reason to make a mess, there's reasonable doubt that KB was depressed/not thinking clearly, why would he do it, it doesn't make sense, bla-bla.

KK was NOT afraid. Everyone needs to get that notion out of their heads. That was just BS. She was so excited at the idea of murdering Kelsey that she drove thousands of miles, in multiple trips, to stalk her and actually lurked to kill her!

 

[ajaylee]

Ambien isn't a drug that would typically be in the drug dispensing area of a pre-op suite.

It's a pill and you don't give pre-op patients oral meds.

I think it's more likely it was her own Rx. And it would be a really stupid drug to attempt to murder someone with. You'd need numerous capsules.

That's the problem - she is the one who claims she got the meds 'at work'. St. Luke's certainly should have controls in place and there should be no need for her to have access to drugs like ambien in pre-op. I'll bet St. Luke's went ballistic when this came out - how can they ever disprove what she said? And even if they could, they still have to answer for hiring someone like her and putting her around patients in vulnerable states.

And at this point, if she retracted her words, who is going to believe her? She's told so many lies and edited the truth to the point no one can trust anything that can't be independently verified.

A nurse friend was surprised that KK would have thought it would be easy to kill someone with a single blow to the head - or that it would not be messy. She was also suprised at KK's choice of drugs and said it had to be because they were the only drugs KK could get.

 

[ajaylee]

KK was NOT afraid. Everyone needs to get that notion out of their heads. That was just BS. She was so excited at the idea of murdering Kelsey that she drove thousands of miles, in multiple trips, to stalk her and actually lurked to kill her!

I respectfully disagree. I think she was very much afraid of getting caught.

But the other folks she confided in who kept their mouths shut - they had zero reason to be afraid.

IMHO

 

[LietKynes]

KK was NOT afraid. Everyone needs to get that notion out of their heads. That was just BS. She was so excited at the idea of murdering Kelsey that she drove thousands of miles, in multiple trips, to stalk her and actually lurked to kill her!

^^^ Well said.

Possibly hateful, jealous... and yes -- excited to get rid of her 'competition'.
Disgusting.
This was premeditated and vicious.

 

[Herat]

That's the problem - she is the one who claims she got the meds 'at work'. St. Luke's certainly should have controls in place and there should be no need for her to have access to drugs like ambien in pre-op. I'll bet St. Luke's went ballistic when this came out - how can they ever disprove what she said? And even if they could, they still have to answer for hiring someone like her and putting her around patients in vulnerable states.

And at this point, if she retracted her words, who is going to believe her? She's told so many lies and edited the truth to the point no one can trust anything that can't be independently verified.

A nurse friend was surprised that KK would have thought it would be easy to kill someone with a single blow to the head - or that it would not be messy. She was also suprised at KK's choice of drugs and said it had to be because they were the only drugs KK could get.

If she went out onto a patient floor, she might be able to get it out of a dispensing system like Pyxis, but she would have to enter a code, or swipe a badge.

Sadly, some RN's are not as circumspect about their passcodes or badge security as they should be.

Bet the hospital is auditing their Pyxis records intensely

But again, even a couple of Ambien aren't going to do much other than make KB sleepy and from the report, KB didn't drink the coffee. If KKL really tried this with a few Ambien, she is really pathetically bad at her job of understanding medication effects and signs of an untoward medication effect, like death

It would probably take 60 Ambien pills to have a severe reaction and up to 200 to cause an overdose death. Not a very smart choice for a murder

 

[MassGuy]

KK was NOT afraid. Everyone needs to get that notion out of their heads. That was just BS. She was so excited at the idea of murdering Kelsey that she drove thousands of miles, in multiple trips, to stalk her and actually lurked to kill her!

Yup.

If she did have any fear, it was fear of getting caught.

She destroyed evidence, mislead an investigation, and lied to the FBI.

She might have also been scared that Sonic wouldn’t have whatever it was that she wanted.

She was involved because she wanted to be.

 

[mtnlites]

KK didn't speak to LE until she had an attorney. No way would he allow a lie detector. All it takes is one juror to have doubts.

JMO

Not necessarily. If passing a lie detector was part of the plea deal then she could have had one.

ETA: Sorry @MassGuy, I see you already said this.

 

[heartgoesout]

When my mom was in the hospital one of her nurses suddenly got arrested for stealing painkillers. She had been taking them gradually for about three years before they noticed or were able to figure out who it was.
So it's not impossible that KK could have taken pills and they were not aware. If she did, I hope they can find proof. Imo

I currently work in a line of business that employs nurses. We've had to fire a number of them due to stealing meds.

 

[LietKynes]

I respectfully disagree. I think she was very much afraid of getting caught.

But the other folks she confided in who kept their mouths shut - they had zero reason to be afraid.

IMHO

Emphasis mine

Re. the bolded portion : Yes, I'd agree with that part.

But not too afraid to drive many hours/miles and even use someone else's vehicle.
She was just afraid that she'd get caught whilst planning to murder a woman she knew was unknowing and innocent.

About her theft of the medication -- how cruel.
Not only stealing from her employer -- but depriving someone of needed meds !
How many have suffered at her hands ??

 

[crhedBngr]

Emphasis mine
Re. the bolded portion : Yes, I'd agree with that part.

<snipped for brevity>

About her theft of the medication -- how cruel.
Not only stealing from her employer -- but depriving someone of needed meds !!
How many have suffered at her hands ??

RSABBM

Agreed, 100 percent!

 

[heartgoesout]

You can see in this pic that the neighbor's front door is actually a floor below KB's front door because they are built on a hill. I assume the neighbor would position his camera to view his own front door. So anything the camera captured of KB's door would be caught from an peripheral angle.

Where is the neighbor's camera? Did you awesome people figure that out yet?

 

[Julia966]

I thought this message was fake -- texted from KB's phone but after the killing/actually from PF pretending to be KB? But now I can't remember for sure.

I thought it was a conversation, related by CB herself, from some time before the murders.

 

[MyBelle]

Getting back to the drugs/poison for coffee.
The drugs used are likely schedule one. Meaning highly regulated.
She can't as a nurse just get any drugs,any time legally.
So she either
A. Stole them from pharmacy,or wherever they are kept.
B. slipped patients fake pills she swapped for ambien, or whatever drug she chose.
C. She forged Dr.s signature.
All of the above I believe are federal crimes. I could be wrong.
So even she got a sweetheart deal for Kelsey's murder which sucks, does not mean she can't get nailed for the above forementioned.
Remember they couldn't get Capone for murder,or raqeteering, they got him on tax invasion,and put him away for a long time.
MOO

I think interstate transporting of two guns not registered to you might also be a federal crime. We can only hope.

 

[Julia966]

Well, you are nicer person about it than I am.
She sure didn't mind having a big bonfire on KBs body.

Ha, I doubt I'm nicer. I'm just having a different read on KK than some others

 

[Julia966]

None of this makes sense to me. Why didn't PF just shoot KB the night she was getting him stomach meds? Or lure her out of the house TG day and shoot her. The baseball bat and that much blood screams of a woman doing the murder. I hope they gave KK a lie detector text with 2 of the questions being...did you commit the murder and were you present at the murder. It's a good thing I won't be on the jury because with my thinking...PF might easily walk free. I would hate for that to happen but I think KK was the puppet master. Hopefully there won't be anyone else on the jury that thinks like me.

Yeah, it's very strange to me too. These are people comfortable with guns, why didn't he take her out in the boonies and shoot her?

I hate even typing those words, but I can't for the life of me figure out this strategy.

 

[Artis]

wasn't the "front door" on the side of the condo? or am i mistaken? That was my impression based on photos I have seen

Yes, and the neighbor's building, directly across from Kelsey's front door, is not another front door but just the side of the building. It seems odd they would have a camera, on the side of their house, facing Kelsey's door. Their building also sits forward of Kelsey's.